People who propose this don’t want to incentivize people to look for a job. They want people to be punished for not having one.
>Er zijn “geen aanwijzingen gevonden van een positieve impact van de hervorming op de transities naar werk.”
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>Dat komt omdat het gros van de werklozen onder de kortdurende werklozen valt, en dus juist een hogere uitkering krijgt dan voordien.
Conclusie van HLN: “Lagere werkloosheiduitkeringen leiden werklozen niet naar werk.”
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Boetes dan maar? Gevangenisstraffen? Dwangarbeid?
Wel naar minder kosten voor de staat
“De effectiviteit van het huidige systeem van degressiviteit wordt onder meer beperkt omdat bepaalde categorieën werklozen, bijvoorbeeld zij die een minimumuitkering ontvangen, niet onderworpen zijn aan de degressiviteit. Daarnaast kunnen de uitkeringen in de praktijk wel verhogen door de regelmatige indexeringen en welvaartsaanpassingen.”
Misleading title, since there is no real decline…
I guess we still have some room to go downward then.
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Almost as if the majority of people do not actually chose to be unemployed. Who’d have thought?
Always wondered what the true cost of unemployment system is, versus what is payed to the unemployed.
I for one have 4 personal coaches that I’ve never heard or seen in 6 years, and 1 that send a copy and paste email every year in July to ask how I’m managing at my forced volunteering work. (I work in a school, so even 30 seconds of involvement in my case, and they would know that I’m not working at that time)
… Apart from that I’ve also went to an education center for people with a handicap, with a in house staff of 1 for every 2 people taking a course. And many people there had to follow a course, while they themselve, the people from the education center and the personal coaches knew / agreed that the course would not give them any chance at work.
My mother in law has been on de dop for about a year while she looked for jobs (employed now)
Her dop was about 100€ less than what she would earn for a fulltime job. For that job, she would have to:
– wake up early every day, use the car to drive there, work 8 hours, drive the car back, cook for herself, watch some TV and then go to bed. Repeat next day.
She literally said “for 100€ less i do whatever i want every day, sleep in as much as i want, and i don’t have to drive my car every day which saves gas and tires”
Can’t blame her. But would personally never do it. I hate being unemployed while doing fuck all every day.
😶 ge moet net min lonen omhoog trekken. Wa voor oenen zitten der werkloosheid uitkering te verlagen.
Yesterday I went to the VDAB to make myself known (I lived abroad and after coming back, I am not finding a job right away as I hoped). I knew the stories but it was idiotic to experience it myself. I had to sit at a desk with a telephone while at the desk at the side, a worker is sitting with her laptop. I had to call a number and tell all my details. The phone did not work or the operator was unavailable so the employee said that she will do it on her laptop. She asks my details and my highest degree. I say PhD. She says, ok so it’s gonna be Masters because we don’t have PhD in the system. Then she asks what jobs I am looking for. I say a broad sector (creative industries) but she says that is not possible. I have to be much more specific.
I have my CV but have to enter it again manually online at home. No way I can import my EU CV. I haven’t started entering it yet. I’ll just keep applying on my own without the ‘help’ from these clowns. That said, the employee was very friendly but she clearly cannot be of help for me and probably 90& of the people.
I don’t understand how you can be unemployed in the current market. Everyone is screaming for more People. We’re not even interested in diplomas at the moment. Teaching on the job old school style and still nobody to be found. And it’s not just us, but the entire logistics sector. If you’re unemployed and willing to learn a thing or two, you’ve got work in an instant
Verhoog het minimum loon. Waarom zouden sommige al hun sociale voordelen opgeven en er uiteindelijk slechter voorstaan plus nog eens 8u+ per dag gaan werken..
Oh my God, but taxbreaks and bonuses for millionares do, right?
A part of the study’s conclussion that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet:”Het huidige degressieve systeem verliest echter aan effectiviteit omdat er voor veel werklozen een grote discrepantie bestaat tussen het theoretisch degressieve tijdsprofiel en de daadwerkelijke evolutie van het bedrag van hun uitkeringen… Daarnaast zijn er de regelmatige indexeringen en de welvaartsaanpassingen die de uitkering in lopende prijzen verhogen. De kloof tussen de theorie en praktijk is trouwens de afgelopen jaren steeds groter geworden.”
(“Le système dégressif actuel perd toutefois de son efficacité car, pour de nombreux chômeurs, il existe un écart important entre le profil dégressif théorique et l’évolution réelle du montant de leurs allocations… À cela s’ajoutent les indexations régulières et la liaison des allocations au bien-être qui augmentent le montant des allocations. Ces dernières années, l’écart entre la théorie et la pratique s’est d’ailleurs encore creusé.”)
Sounds to me like that, in practise, there’s very little actual degressivity or, at the very least, clearly not enough to impact one’s social benefits in a meaningful way. Actual lower benefits over time might thus encourage more to seek employment.
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People who propose this don’t want to incentivize people to look for a job. They want people to be punished for not having one.
>Er zijn “geen aanwijzingen gevonden van een positieve impact van de hervorming op de transities naar werk.”
>
>Dat komt omdat het gros van de werklozen onder de kortdurende werklozen valt, en dus juist een hogere uitkering krijgt dan voordien.
Conclusie van HLN: “Lagere werkloosheiduitkeringen leiden werklozen niet naar werk.”
….
Boetes dan maar? Gevangenisstraffen? Dwangarbeid?
Wel naar minder kosten voor de staat
“De effectiviteit van het huidige systeem van degressiviteit wordt onder meer beperkt omdat bepaalde categorieën werklozen, bijvoorbeeld zij die een minimumuitkering ontvangen, niet onderworpen zijn aan de degressiviteit. Daarnaast kunnen de uitkeringen in de praktijk wel verhogen door de regelmatige indexeringen en welvaartsaanpassingen.”
Misleading title, since there is no real decline…
I guess we still have some room to go downward then.
[removed]
Almost as if the majority of people do not actually chose to be unemployed. Who’d have thought?
Always wondered what the true cost of unemployment system is, versus what is payed to the unemployed.
I for one have 4 personal coaches that I’ve never heard or seen in 6 years, and 1 that send a copy and paste email every year in July to ask how I’m managing at my forced volunteering work. (I work in a school, so even 30 seconds of involvement in my case, and they would know that I’m not working at that time)
… Apart from that I’ve also went to an education center for people with a handicap, with a in house staff of 1 for every 2 people taking a course. And many people there had to follow a course, while they themselve, the people from the education center and the personal coaches knew / agreed that the course would not give them any chance at work.
My mother in law has been on de dop for about a year while she looked for jobs (employed now)
Her dop was about 100€ less than what she would earn for a fulltime job. For that job, she would have to:
– wake up early every day, use the car to drive there, work 8 hours, drive the car back, cook for herself, watch some TV and then go to bed. Repeat next day.
She literally said “for 100€ less i do whatever i want every day, sleep in as much as i want, and i don’t have to drive my car every day which saves gas and tires”
Can’t blame her. But would personally never do it. I hate being unemployed while doing fuck all every day.
😶 ge moet net min lonen omhoog trekken. Wa voor oenen zitten der werkloosheid uitkering te verlagen.
Yesterday I went to the VDAB to make myself known (I lived abroad and after coming back, I am not finding a job right away as I hoped). I knew the stories but it was idiotic to experience it myself. I had to sit at a desk with a telephone while at the desk at the side, a worker is sitting with her laptop. I had to call a number and tell all my details. The phone did not work or the operator was unavailable so the employee said that she will do it on her laptop. She asks my details and my highest degree. I say PhD. She says, ok so it’s gonna be Masters because we don’t have PhD in the system. Then she asks what jobs I am looking for. I say a broad sector (creative industries) but she says that is not possible. I have to be much more specific.
I have my CV but have to enter it again manually online at home. No way I can import my EU CV. I haven’t started entering it yet. I’ll just keep applying on my own without the ‘help’ from these clowns. That said, the employee was very friendly but she clearly cannot be of help for me and probably 90& of the people.
I don’t understand how you can be unemployed in the current market. Everyone is screaming for more People. We’re not even interested in diplomas at the moment. Teaching on the job old school style and still nobody to be found. And it’s not just us, but the entire logistics sector. If you’re unemployed and willing to learn a thing or two, you’ve got work in an instant
Verhoog het minimum loon. Waarom zouden sommige al hun sociale voordelen opgeven en er uiteindelijk slechter voorstaan plus nog eens 8u+ per dag gaan werken..
Oh my God, but taxbreaks and bonuses for millionares do, right?
A part of the study’s conclussion that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet:”Het huidige degressieve systeem verliest echter aan effectiviteit omdat er voor veel werklozen een grote discrepantie bestaat tussen het theoretisch degressieve tijdsprofiel en de daadwerkelijke evolutie van het bedrag van hun uitkeringen… Daarnaast zijn er de regelmatige indexeringen en de welvaartsaanpassingen die de uitkering in lopende prijzen verhogen. De kloof tussen de theorie en praktijk is trouwens de afgelopen jaren steeds groter geworden.”
(“Le système dégressif actuel perd toutefois de son efficacité car, pour de nombreux chômeurs, il existe un écart important entre le profil dégressif théorique et l’évolution réelle du montant de leurs allocations… À cela s’ajoutent les indexations régulières et la liaison des allocations au bien-être qui augmentent le montant des allocations. Ces dernières années, l’écart entre la théorie et la pratique s’est d’ailleurs encore creusé.”)
Sounds to me like that, in practise, there’s very little actual degressivity or, at the very least, clearly not enough to impact one’s social benefits in a meaningful way. Actual lower benefits over time might thus encourage more to seek employment.