Now now, the poor wilting flowers in the Tory party aren’t accustomed to being directly confronted with the shittiness of their actions and words. Why isn’t the nasty colonial official being considerate of their *feeeewings*?!
/s just in case
Okay, don’t be then. Enjoy a Qatari prison.
His job is to ensure the safety of Britons abroad. Telling them not to do something illegal in another country is hardly controversial, however much you might disagree with their laws.
Ridiculous feigned outrage.
Of course, nobody is obliged to “be respectful” of any backwards, bigotted religious views, from Muslims, Catholics or anyone else.
But:
>No one should have to closet themselves
You shouldn’t have to, but while in Qatar it would be very wise to, because they can and will throw you in jail. And even if the UK government support the idea of getting you out (which isn’t a given with the current lot) it could take years.
Unless that is the hill you especially want to die on, best to obey the law to the letter for the week or two you are there.
Or just not go. It would send out a powerful message if nobody from the west bothered attending. But I guess football is more important than anything else to some people.
I don’t see any issue with gay people not being openly gay and I assume, separate rooms.
Women cover their hair up in Muslim countries with no issue.
The opinions of people unable to differentiate between respect and approval ought to be of no consequence.
When in shithole goat-fucker terrorist land, do as the shithole goat-fucker terrorists do
As I said in the other thread, Qatari laws and cultural views on homosexuality are hideous, but if you choose to go there to watch a game then break them at your peril. Advising Brits not to end up in a Middle Eastern prison (and then need consular support) is not a terrible position for the government to take
i mean like, this is pretty obvious stuff. Don’t show that you are gay in a country that you know, prosecutes gay people
When the Canadians aren’t being polite to you you should know you done fucked up!
I’ve spent better part of my life avoiding any stop overs at doha, quatar, Abu Dhabi, dubai or the general vicinity of the Middle East. On principle and also out of the fear that I might just be stupid enough tae do the wrong thing and spend the rest of my life at them prisons. Nein danke. Gay or straight and especially if yer a woman, please don’t go them places. Them people are crazy, even the best of them.
Good. If leaders had any sort of balls/ovaries, they’d be advising their citizens not to visit bigoted shitholes like Quatar in the first place, but here we are.
Can’t say any of the gay guys I’ve known have given 2 shits about football tbh.
WE apologize for this foolish liberal mp’s dumb take.
It would be foolish to be open about being gay in Qatar
Well yeah.
Claiming both sides are bad when one side thinks lgbt people shouldn’t exist and the other just wants to live for one.
Then effectively telling people they should “just be less gay”.
Framing it as a matter of ‘being respectful’ is horseshit, but advising people not to do something that will get them in trouble in an authoritarian hellhole just seems like common sense
Why the fuck a homosexual would want to go there, spend their money and support the regime, I’ll never know
I don’t blame Qatar for living in the middle ages, it’s their country and they can live however they like. I 100% blame FIFA for being corrupt as fork for choosing Qatar as the 2022 host, obviously it was a bad choice for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.
Fuck being respectful. Be safe. Don’t go. You know our government won’t back your corner if you’re arrested for being gay. Not worth the risk.
The thing is if you go to another country then be respectful. Like it or not their laws are their laws. Do what you want in your own country.
The tories view gay and trans as an inconvenience. They certainly don’t want the work of having to get you out of jail if you find yourselves in there.
And with how this lot handled the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case you certainly don’t want them having anything to do with getting you out.
If only we discouraged Middle Eastern men from behaving like paedophiles in Britain, as much as we discouraged British men from acting like homosexuals in the Middle East
Really, instead of advising LGBT football fans to hide their identity while in Qatar, they should be advising them not to travel there at all and maybe provide a safer option by livestreaming the games in British stadiums.
When you go to another country, it is normal to respect their laws and culture. For a Canadian Minister to imply that is not the right thing to do is a very dangerous diplomatic stance to take. He is giving advice to his citizens which could lead them in jail in a foreign country.
We can’t expect to go to another country, and pretend that their laws do not exist. What self righteous people think they are above the law of another country. You might be able to protest in the UK and get a slap on the wrist, but Protest in the Middle East and you will be shot and killed. Dont endanger your lives thinking just because you got a British/ Canadian/ Australian Passport, that they won’t shoot first, and ask questions later.
Fun Fact: In Australia and Canada the Monarch (well their representative to be pedantic) can fire the Prime Minister at any time…
The choice of words is the issue. If the government had the stomach to just say “Be careful in Qatar” it would be fine, because everyone knows you would need to be. But saying “be respectful” basically says “tone it down, the qatari people don’t want to see that” as if the culture of homophobia/intolerance is something worthy of being respected at all.
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Now now, the poor wilting flowers in the Tory party aren’t accustomed to being directly confronted with the shittiness of their actions and words. Why isn’t the nasty colonial official being considerate of their *feeeewings*?!
/s just in case
Okay, don’t be then. Enjoy a Qatari prison.
His job is to ensure the safety of Britons abroad. Telling them not to do something illegal in another country is hardly controversial, however much you might disagree with their laws.
Ridiculous feigned outrage.
Of course, nobody is obliged to “be respectful” of any backwards, bigotted religious views, from Muslims, Catholics or anyone else.
But:
>No one should have to closet themselves
You shouldn’t have to, but while in Qatar it would be very wise to, because they can and will throw you in jail. And even if the UK government support the idea of getting you out (which isn’t a given with the current lot) it could take years.
Unless that is the hill you especially want to die on, best to obey the law to the letter for the week or two you are there.
Or just not go. It would send out a powerful message if nobody from the west bothered attending. But I guess football is more important than anything else to some people.
I don’t see any issue with gay people not being openly gay and I assume, separate rooms.
Women cover their hair up in Muslim countries with no issue.
The opinions of people unable to differentiate between respect and approval ought to be of no consequence.
When in shithole goat-fucker terrorist land, do as the shithole goat-fucker terrorists do
As I said in the other thread, Qatari laws and cultural views on homosexuality are hideous, but if you choose to go there to watch a game then break them at your peril. Advising Brits not to end up in a Middle Eastern prison (and then need consular support) is not a terrible position for the government to take
i mean like, this is pretty obvious stuff. Don’t show that you are gay in a country that you know, prosecutes gay people
When the Canadians aren’t being polite to you you should know you done fucked up!
I’ve spent better part of my life avoiding any stop overs at doha, quatar, Abu Dhabi, dubai or the general vicinity of the Middle East. On principle and also out of the fear that I might just be stupid enough tae do the wrong thing and spend the rest of my life at them prisons. Nein danke. Gay or straight and especially if yer a woman, please don’t go them places. Them people are crazy, even the best of them.
Good. If leaders had any sort of balls/ovaries, they’d be advising their citizens not to visit bigoted shitholes like Quatar in the first place, but here we are.
Can’t say any of the gay guys I’ve known have given 2 shits about football tbh.
WE apologize for this foolish liberal mp’s dumb take.
It would be foolish to be open about being gay in Qatar
Well yeah.
Claiming both sides are bad when one side thinks lgbt people shouldn’t exist and the other just wants to live for one.
Then effectively telling people they should “just be less gay”.
Framing it as a matter of ‘being respectful’ is horseshit, but advising people not to do something that will get them in trouble in an authoritarian hellhole just seems like common sense
Why the fuck a homosexual would want to go there, spend their money and support the regime, I’ll never know
I don’t blame Qatar for living in the middle ages, it’s their country and they can live however they like. I 100% blame FIFA for being corrupt as fork for choosing Qatar as the 2022 host, obviously it was a bad choice for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.
Fuck being respectful. Be safe. Don’t go. You know our government won’t back your corner if you’re arrested for being gay. Not worth the risk.
The thing is if you go to another country then be respectful. Like it or not their laws are their laws. Do what you want in your own country.
The tories view gay and trans as an inconvenience. They certainly don’t want the work of having to get you out of jail if you find yourselves in there.
And with how this lot handled the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case you certainly don’t want them having anything to do with getting you out.
If only we discouraged Middle Eastern men from behaving like paedophiles in Britain, as much as we discouraged British men from acting like homosexuals in the Middle East
Really, instead of advising LGBT football fans to hide their identity while in Qatar, they should be advising them not to travel there at all and maybe provide a safer option by livestreaming the games in British stadiums.
When you go to another country, it is normal to respect their laws and culture. For a Canadian Minister to imply that is not the right thing to do is a very dangerous diplomatic stance to take. He is giving advice to his citizens which could lead them in jail in a foreign country.
We can’t expect to go to another country, and pretend that their laws do not exist. What self righteous people think they are above the law of another country. You might be able to protest in the UK and get a slap on the wrist, but Protest in the Middle East and you will be shot and killed. Dont endanger your lives thinking just because you got a British/ Canadian/ Australian Passport, that they won’t shoot first, and ask questions later.
Fun Fact: In Australia and Canada the Monarch (well their representative to be pedantic) can fire the Prime Minister at any time…
The choice of words is the issue. If the government had the stomach to just say “Be careful in Qatar” it would be fine, because everyone knows you would need to be. But saying “be respectful” basically says “tone it down, the qatari people don’t want to see that” as if the culture of homophobia/intolerance is something worthy of being respected at all.
Makes me respect this even more – https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/f1/news/24181/12477466/lewis-hamilton-hopes-qatar-gp-crash-helmet-with-progress-pride-flag-sparks-positive-conversation-and-change