The article describes the difficulties that Switzerland may encounter in the future and potential solutions. Experts say that the wind power potential of Switzerland has been overstated, that large hydro projects are impossible to build nowadays; small hydro plants, ineffective, already over exploited and dangerous for the rivers; solar is not happening.
This in a context of increasing demand from EVs, and a reducing supply from the planned closures of nuclear power plants.
The only two realistic options are the construction of 2,000 small gaz-powered plants, or the reversal of the anti-nuclear decision.
IMO quitting nuclear power for a country without any realistic alternative, or an alternative that entails pumping even more CO2 into the atmosphere, is insane.
I would support the construction of new nuclear power plants. What’s your view on this?
Remind me again how it was a good idea to phase out nuclear power plants?
Going back to nuclear has only one single winner: the power companies. They are the big loosers, if the people democratize power by producing it on their roofs. And: with the pump-hyro stations and lots of sunny areas (e.g. hydro-dams which are just a concrete canvas right now) switzerland is in the perfect position to go fully renewable.
Everybody else looses, if we go back to nuclear. The tremendous cost of the power plants is not payed by the power companies, nor the power users. But by the goverment and the population. Not even taking into account the horrific consequences if something goes wrong.
It’s not complicated. Do what most other countries are doing.
Build some real f*cking solar farms already, up in the mountains – with emergency powers if need be, to force the NIMBYs out of the way.
The only advantage of solar roofs on private buildings is that they occupy already built land. They are significantly more expensive to install and make the grid harder to manage. Large, publicly procured, solar farms in the 100s of MW, covering a few dozen of km^2 of land, are **far** cheaper to buy, much faster to install and integrate, and definitely the way forward in the current state of technology.
Unwillingness to condemn some measly ~60 km^2 of land with solar panels *because it doesn’t look nice* = more expensive, more CO2, a threat to our economy and a much weaker position vs the EU.
Ridiculous and pathetic.
Nuclear power plants are so insanely dangerous that insurance companies do not cover them as one single super-GAU is not payable. We‘re talking like 5000 billion euros in damages (estimate was for Germany iirc). Also, waste must be stored for thousands or tens of thousands of years after getting energy from it for a couple of decades. Besides, we do not have a single secure or accepted location to store it in Switzerland. We need to invest heavy in geothermal and fusion techs!
Hmmm, put a small fortune into solar panels on my roof, thence to be paid pocket lint on the energy that I reinject, which is then taxed… and having replaced my oil-fired heating with a heat-pump, so as not to burn 5 tons of hydrocarbons each year, my fortune increases by the cost of said pump and I’m punished again.
Fuck this hypocrisy. Il nous font chier ces connards de politiciens avec leur connaissances de trilobytes.
The best friends of wind lobbyist are gaz companies… why? Because renewable is fun and shiny but need to be complete by a manageable energy such as gas, hydro or nuclear.
If you want to learn more about energy, look up electricity map that gives electricity production in real time and also follow Jancovici courses ( French but also translated)
Just Make it Worth to install solar on the roof by supporting financial
Problem will solve itselve quickly
Switzerland has enough suitable roof Areal to cover the whole electricity consiption by far 😉
And if there is to much power when the sun shines Storage Solutions suddenly will be a good bussines😉
nuclear fission is finished because it was to expensive for the operator
We consume more with cutting current sources and failing to find proper alternatives. Either prices will go up or we will indeed have shortages as our neighbors might have problem to cover their own needs.
Perhaps we could go with cap per capita and anything over capita is heavily penalized by high prices, until situation is better.
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The article describes the difficulties that Switzerland may encounter in the future and potential solutions. Experts say that the wind power potential of Switzerland has been overstated, that large hydro projects are impossible to build nowadays; small hydro plants, ineffective, already over exploited and dangerous for the rivers; solar is not happening.
This in a context of increasing demand from EVs, and a reducing supply from the planned closures of nuclear power plants.
The only two realistic options are the construction of 2,000 small gaz-powered plants, or the reversal of the anti-nuclear decision.
IMO quitting nuclear power for a country without any realistic alternative, or an alternative that entails pumping even more CO2 into the atmosphere, is insane.
I would support the construction of new nuclear power plants. What’s your view on this?
Remind me again how it was a good idea to phase out nuclear power plants?
Going back to nuclear has only one single winner: the power companies. They are the big loosers, if the people democratize power by producing it on their roofs. And: with the pump-hyro stations and lots of sunny areas (e.g. hydro-dams which are just a concrete canvas right now) switzerland is in the perfect position to go fully renewable.
Everybody else looses, if we go back to nuclear. The tremendous cost of the power plants is not payed by the power companies, nor the power users. But by the goverment and the population. Not even taking into account the horrific consequences if something goes wrong.
It’s not complicated. Do what most other countries are doing.
Build some real f*cking solar farms already, up in the mountains – with emergency powers if need be, to force the NIMBYs out of the way.
The only advantage of solar roofs on private buildings is that they occupy already built land. They are significantly more expensive to install and make the grid harder to manage. Large, publicly procured, solar farms in the 100s of MW, covering a few dozen of km^2 of land, are **far** cheaper to buy, much faster to install and integrate, and definitely the way forward in the current state of technology.
But no, the biggest solar farm in Switzerland is only [2.2MW](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-builds-biggest-alpine-solar-plant/46883572) – which is **utterly pathetic**.
Unwillingness to condemn some measly ~60 km^2 of land with solar panels *because it doesn’t look nice* = more expensive, more CO2, a threat to our economy and a much weaker position vs the EU.
Ridiculous and pathetic.
Nuclear power plants are so insanely dangerous that insurance companies do not cover them as one single super-GAU is not payable. We‘re talking like 5000 billion euros in damages (estimate was for Germany iirc). Also, waste must be stored for thousands or tens of thousands of years after getting energy from it for a couple of decades. Besides, we do not have a single secure or accepted location to store it in Switzerland. We need to invest heavy in geothermal and fusion techs!
Hmmm, put a small fortune into solar panels on my roof, thence to be paid pocket lint on the energy that I reinject, which is then taxed… and having replaced my oil-fired heating with a heat-pump, so as not to burn 5 tons of hydrocarbons each year, my fortune increases by the cost of said pump and I’m punished again.
Fuck this hypocrisy. Il nous font chier ces connards de politiciens avec leur connaissances de trilobytes.
The best friends of wind lobbyist are gaz companies… why? Because renewable is fun and shiny but need to be complete by a manageable energy such as gas, hydro or nuclear.
If you want to learn more about energy, look up electricity map that gives electricity production in real time and also follow Jancovici courses ( French but also translated)
Just Make it Worth to install solar on the roof by supporting financial
Problem will solve itselve quickly
Switzerland has enough suitable roof Areal to cover the whole electricity consiption by far 😉
And if there is to much power when the sun shines Storage Solutions suddenly will be a good bussines😉
nuclear fission is finished because it was to expensive for the operator
Here a calculation from my studies in energy and environment:
https://ibb.co/DYD98cZ
We consume more with cutting current sources and failing to find proper alternatives. Either prices will go up or we will indeed have shortages as our neighbors might have problem to cover their own needs.
Perhaps we could go with cap per capita and anything over capita is heavily penalized by high prices, until situation is better.