“I don’t think we are ready. Don’t vote for us until the election after”
I despair the inevitable day when the world’s newspapers have the headline ‘Ireland elects the party of the IRA’.
FFG have fucked us for so long. Even if Sinn Fein are more of the same, at least we tried.
I think it’s because I’m hungry. I read this as McDonalds:
No.
I think, yes absolutely, let’s give them a chance, under Fine Gael & Fianna Fáil more recently, buying a property has never been more difficult, accomodation is a serious problem, healthcare is shocking, hopefully you don’t need any serious care anytime soon, crime in Dublin City centre is worse than it’s been in a long time, we’re more indebted than we’ve ever been(3rd most in the world) & top it off we’re now heading for a deep recession.
They can hardly be worse than our current lot. No point in having high employment if the people are weighed down with high taxes, poor healthcare, overpriced accommodation & what is a very poor quality of life for a supposedly rich country.
If our foreign tech or pharma industry were to leave, we’re absolutely finished.
To be fair I always vote for SF; I always give them an 11th or 12th preference as a ‘fuck you’ to their tallyman .
Unfortunately your economic policies are still based in unicorn-land folks. Run northeast part of Ireland first and see how ye get on, then we’ll get back to you.
I for one will absolutely be holding every Sinn Fein voter for when then fuck up this country.
I’ll give them the chance. Current government has fucked up so much. So much so, an international body had to come in and literally show the gov how to run a country.
I’ll give them a chance. A single one.
I wonder how the daily “how do we bash Sinn fein” meetings are organized at the independent, are there power points, do they have cock fights? Is it a thing everybody has to do or do they leave it to the zealots among them to rant away on whatever nonsense they can come up before their morning sedative kicks in.
The issue isn’t with Mary Lou. Irrespective of your political leaning she is a competent and capable politician in her own right.
For me two things.
Their economic manifesto read like a wish list and was just fairy tale stuff last time out.
If elected to government, the ministerial positions have to go to someone and the quality drops off a cliff. Until SF have a competent selection of well versed and competent candidates they, I’m my mind, don’t have the competency to form a government that won’t end in scandal and tears.
One thing I’ll say is that people need to manage their expectations – SF are winning through remaining largely silent about their policies – and their NI statements about the economy (particularly in a UI) involve bald-faced lying propaganda, to avoid admitting the £9-10 billion hole in lost subsidies for NI a UI would create.
Sinn Fein have _the potential_ to be a true economically-left-leaning political party, that can deliver on resolving the housing crisis and maybe even dismantling NeoLiberalism – but the Euro/EU have a choke-chain around every Eurozone country that tries to stray from NeoLiberal debt-scaremongering orthodoxy – so what are SF going to do to deliver economically, while staying on good terms with the EU?
I suspect they’re going to compromise towards having a slightly more NeoLiberal-‘lite’ bent than FFG – which is not going to do us much good, just make people a bit more comfortable while upcoming generations still get chewed up.
Be very happy to be proven wrong, and they most certainly are less-worse than FFG/Greens/Labour – but am managing my expectations…
Imma be honest, I have zero faith in them as a party. Too many cranks, and too many pie in the sky fucking ideas.
The mad thing is alot of my family who grew up in the 80`s have an emotional fear and hatred of SF…….these people say they will leave the country if SF come in…..they are being totally irrational imo….I’m for SF myself
They are all useless
If people are voting for Sin Fein just because of the housing crisis then you have another thing coming, right now at least we have constant growth and housing crisis is being solved just very very slow it’s gonna take years anyway no matter if its Sin Fein or someone else nothing would change
Why would we screw around with corporate tax rates when our current policies have been so successful. We have the highest level of corporate tax rate per capita in Europe. Pascal and co are doing a great job here. The French, Germans and others would be delighted to see us raise our rates and make them more competitive. They will screw us over if u let them. Go check out Macron’s rants.
Multinationals want certainty in policy as well as low rates. If we lose them they are gone for our lifetimes.
Does anybody really believe that by significantly increasing corp tax rates will drive up our total tax take ?
Circa 50% of this tax income is IP related and can move tomorrow. The reality is over the next 5 years our corp tax take will reduce significantly with new OECD rules.
Look at Intel’s new foundry investments going to Germany, Italy, France and Poland. This is all about politics and EU chip subsidies, we lost to the bigger countries. We need to look out for our own interests. They will screw us given any chance, SF naive policies really help them to take our jobs. They breed uncertainty.
FDI investment in Ireland has been an amazing success. The IDA has done a brilliant job. It has generated hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs, rapid expansion and helped push up salaries across the board. This in turn has put a huge squeeze on housing.
SF’s policies of discouraging FDI with thousands of highly paid Irish and foreign workers leaving will reduce demand for housing. The software jobs are all very mobile and could go somewhere else next week.
Whenever SF gets to power, I fully expect they will walk back their tax policies and many other policies as they move to the centre otherwise the only change we will see is one for the worse. Mary Lou did pay a visit to Google in the US recently, no doubt telling them they will be fine quietly.
Let’s be smart and not screw up our one major international success story.
I have when people say “give SF a chance”. This isn’t your little brother looking for a go on a PS2. This is leading a country.
They do not understand how to run a country, they do not understand economics and do not care what effect that has on real people.
Yes the current bunch are bad. But yes it can also get worse.
Could we give them a trial run first? Like, give them Roscommon for six months and see how it goes?
Their following has a bang of MAGA off them. Question nothing, but accept and defend everything SF says or does, and shout down anyone who points out any faults or issues with the few policies SF have actually published.
They ONLY reason SF are as popular as they are is because they have never had a stint in gov. It’s very easy to sit on opposition benches and sling mud at everything the government does, not so easy when you’re the one who has to make the decisions.
I like Mary Lou, she seems intelligent, competent and compassionate and id love to see a female Taoiseach. But when you start to look at the people around her that would likely get cabinet positions the level of talent just drops off a cliff. Their economic policies are a bit too populist for my liking. So I’m not a SF voter yet but I may get there in time if they continue to improve.
I’ll never vote for SF, and I see them as a populist shower of shysters, but I also wouldn’t vote FFG who have utterly failed the country. A revolution is needed in our political landscape, and SF seen to be the only party capable of doing that.
Maybe when she tells us how she was able to afford her mansion in Cabra 🤷♂️
Hope they are ready, they’ll be walking into some shit show and no doubt will be blamed for it all come the election after.
SF should not have a shot as t government until they denounce the IRA for the murders of Gardai and Defence Forces members in this state.
Their economic policies are frankly terrifying, and need to be independently costed. Their links to criminality, Jonathan Dowdall for one, needs to be questioned.
28 comments
The speech was very Tiocfaidh ár lá in the end
As if she is going to stand up and say:
“I don’t think we are ready. Don’t vote for us until the election after”
I despair the inevitable day when the world’s newspapers have the headline ‘Ireland elects the party of the IRA’.
FFG have fucked us for so long. Even if Sinn Fein are more of the same, at least we tried.
I think it’s because I’m hungry. I read this as McDonalds:
No.
I think, yes absolutely, let’s give them a chance, under Fine Gael & Fianna Fáil more recently, buying a property has never been more difficult, accomodation is a serious problem, healthcare is shocking, hopefully you don’t need any serious care anytime soon, crime in Dublin City centre is worse than it’s been in a long time, we’re more indebted than we’ve ever been(3rd most in the world) & top it off we’re now heading for a deep recession.
They can hardly be worse than our current lot. No point in having high employment if the people are weighed down with high taxes, poor healthcare, overpriced accommodation & what is a very poor quality of life for a supposedly rich country.
If our foreign tech or pharma industry were to leave, we’re absolutely finished.
To be fair I always vote for SF; I always give them an 11th or 12th preference as a ‘fuck you’ to their tallyman .
Unfortunately your economic policies are still based in unicorn-land folks. Run northeast part of Ireland first and see how ye get on, then we’ll get back to you.
I for one will absolutely be holding every Sinn Fein voter for when then fuck up this country.
I’ll give them the chance. Current government has fucked up so much. So much so, an international body had to come in and literally show the gov how to run a country.
I’ll give them a chance. A single one.
I wonder how the daily “how do we bash Sinn fein” meetings are organized at the independent, are there power points, do they have cock fights? Is it a thing everybody has to do or do they leave it to the zealots among them to rant away on whatever nonsense they can come up before their morning sedative kicks in.
The issue isn’t with Mary Lou. Irrespective of your political leaning she is a competent and capable politician in her own right.
For me two things.
Their economic manifesto read like a wish list and was just fairy tale stuff last time out.
If elected to government, the ministerial positions have to go to someone and the quality drops off a cliff. Until SF have a competent selection of well versed and competent candidates they, I’m my mind, don’t have the competency to form a government that won’t end in scandal and tears.
One thing I’ll say is that people need to manage their expectations – SF are winning through remaining largely silent about their policies – and their NI statements about the economy (particularly in a UI) involve bald-faced lying propaganda, to avoid admitting the £9-10 billion hole in lost subsidies for NI a UI would create.
Sinn Fein have _the potential_ to be a true economically-left-leaning political party, that can deliver on resolving the housing crisis and maybe even dismantling NeoLiberalism – but the Euro/EU have a choke-chain around every Eurozone country that tries to stray from NeoLiberal debt-scaremongering orthodoxy – so what are SF going to do to deliver economically, while staying on good terms with the EU?
I suspect they’re going to compromise towards having a slightly more NeoLiberal-‘lite’ bent than FFG – which is not going to do us much good, just make people a bit more comfortable while upcoming generations still get chewed up.
Be very happy to be proven wrong, and they most certainly are less-worse than FFG/Greens/Labour – but am managing my expectations…
Imma be honest, I have zero faith in them as a party. Too many cranks, and too many pie in the sky fucking ideas.
The mad thing is alot of my family who grew up in the 80`s have an emotional fear and hatred of SF…….these people say they will leave the country if SF come in…..they are being totally irrational imo….I’m for SF myself
They are all useless
If people are voting for Sin Fein just because of the housing crisis then you have another thing coming, right now at least we have constant growth and housing crisis is being solved just very very slow it’s gonna take years anyway no matter if its Sin Fein or someone else nothing would change
Why would we screw around with corporate tax rates when our current policies have been so successful. We have the highest level of corporate tax rate per capita in Europe. Pascal and co are doing a great job here. The French, Germans and others would be delighted to see us raise our rates and make them more competitive. They will screw us over if u let them. Go check out Macron’s rants.
Multinationals want certainty in policy as well as low rates. If we lose them they are gone for our lifetimes.
Does anybody really believe that by significantly increasing corp tax rates will drive up our total tax take ?
Circa 50% of this tax income is IP related and can move tomorrow. The reality is over the next 5 years our corp tax take will reduce significantly with new OECD rules.
Look at Intel’s new foundry investments going to Germany, Italy, France and Poland. This is all about politics and EU chip subsidies, we lost to the bigger countries. We need to look out for our own interests. They will screw us given any chance, SF naive policies really help them to take our jobs. They breed uncertainty.
FDI investment in Ireland has been an amazing success. The IDA has done a brilliant job. It has generated hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs, rapid expansion and helped push up salaries across the board. This in turn has put a huge squeeze on housing.
SF’s policies of discouraging FDI with thousands of highly paid Irish and foreign workers leaving will reduce demand for housing. The software jobs are all very mobile and could go somewhere else next week.
Whenever SF gets to power, I fully expect they will walk back their tax policies and many other policies as they move to the centre otherwise the only change we will see is one for the worse. Mary Lou did pay a visit to Google in the US recently, no doubt telling them they will be fine quietly.
Let’s be smart and not screw up our one major international success story.
I have when people say “give SF a chance”. This isn’t your little brother looking for a go on a PS2. This is leading a country.
They do not understand how to run a country, they do not understand economics and do not care what effect that has on real people.
Yes the current bunch are bad. But yes it can also get worse.
Could we give them a trial run first? Like, give them Roscommon for six months and see how it goes?
Their following has a bang of MAGA off them. Question nothing, but accept and defend everything SF says or does, and shout down anyone who points out any faults or issues with the few policies SF have actually published.
They ONLY reason SF are as popular as they are is because they have never had a stint in gov. It’s very easy to sit on opposition benches and sling mud at everything the government does, not so easy when you’re the one who has to make the decisions.
I like Mary Lou, she seems intelligent, competent and compassionate and id love to see a female Taoiseach. But when you start to look at the people around her that would likely get cabinet positions the level of talent just drops off a cliff. Their economic policies are a bit too populist for my liking. So I’m not a SF voter yet but I may get there in time if they continue to improve.
I’ll never vote for SF, and I see them as a populist shower of shysters, but I also wouldn’t vote FFG who have utterly failed the country. A revolution is needed in our political landscape, and SF seen to be the only party capable of doing that.
Maybe when she tells us how she was able to afford her mansion in Cabra 🤷♂️
Hope they are ready, they’ll be walking into some shit show and no doubt will be blamed for it all come the election after.
SF should not have a shot as t government until they denounce the IRA for the murders of Gardai and Defence Forces members in this state.
Their economic policies are frankly terrifying, and need to be independently costed. Their links to criminality, Jonathan Dowdall for one, needs to be questioned.