What’s the issue? Not all postnatal people are mothers, some of them give their children for adoption but may still need postnatal medical support separate to the baby.
I see nothing wrong with this? There’s nothing to apologise for
I, a man, was once born, and am therefore postnatal.
The TERFS are out again castigating people for using inclusive language I see. This countries relationship with trans people and trans rights it’s deeply shameful.
Good. Why the fuck would they even say that in the first place.
What about “people who have recently given birth”? I know it doesn’t roll off the tongue, but would people decrying PC gone mad have an issue with that?
Technically isn’t everyone postnatal ? I presume that most of us were born and didn’t just pop up one day out of thin air ?
Tiny bit daft.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with trying to be neutral and trying to avoid assumptions in all settings, especially professional. But I can’t help but feel that could have found a better turn of phrase.
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Why do we have to walk on eggshells all the time? Why is everybody scared of these people who want to make drastic changes to our language against the will of the majority of its speakers.
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The conversation around language and childbirth and trans people was covered in an interesting and educational manner on the latest ep. of The Allusionist podcast, well worth a listen
Here’s the thing I think people miss when debating these sorts of things. It all comes down to a hierarchy of identity, both in how you see yourself and how the world sees you, and how that creates a balance or imbalance in life.
Are you a man first and then a person? Do you see yourself as a man first, gay second, a person third, British fourth, Arsenal supporter fifth… etc. Does someone else see you as gay first and make assumptions from that, ignoring all the other identities that make you – you?
It strives to level how we see ourselves and how we see others – as people first. We’re all just people. And from there we’re different, but it’s seeing the humanity first before *anything* else. What can be wrong about that?
This is your brain on the Stonewall Diversity Champion scheme
More culture war bullshit to make you angry that the evil trans people are coming for your way of life.
I mean if this isn’t transphobes being pissed off that trans people are being treated like human beings and it’s actual because they were called a person and not a woman. Then where is the outrage over the term people with cancer in medical literature? Or people with wisdom teeth in dentists. Or people who smoke on posters in gps surgery’s. Or people with blonde hair on the back of hair dye boxes. Or people with sensitive skin on a moisturiser bottle.
The critics of this do not give a shit about the word woman ‘being erased,’ it is nothing more than a cover for their hatred of trans people being treated with respect. It is not accurate to say women when referring to a group that contains trans men. Unless you are transphobic and want to call trans men women. I’m disappointed this sub doesn’t see that this is anything but terfs getting pissed of at trans people existing. If it was about language, why do they only care when the language was changed to include trans people. It’s so fucking transparent and so many of you have fallen for their bigotry disguised as ‘legitimate concerns.’ There’s no fucking hope for trans people in this country when shit like this happens.
Sounds like someone read the perfectly sensible people who menstrate medical guidance and got a bit too overly enthusiastic about being inclusive to stupid levels.
The post I see right below this one is ‘homophobic and transphobic hate crimes surge after lockdown’. Some of the comments in this thread contribute to that surge. Don’t be arseholes.
Isn’t this just the same old PC GONE MAD stories that have been around for decades?
I remember being told when I was a kid that people couldn’t say “police force, postman” and all sorts of other terms anymore. Strange how they’re still in use 10-15 years later.
Medical language is by design dehumanising and distant. So they wrote “people” and not “women” I guess. Well some trans men can get pregnant and this language doesn’t exclude them, it includes them and women, which is correct.
Who are they apologising to?
They didn’t refer to mothers as postnatal people. They used an umbrella term that includes mothers and others.
However, safe sleep is a tricky one, because there does seem to be a gender difference when it comes to safe(r) bedsharing.
Another day, another round of trans bashing on social media. Yay.
I’m conflicted on this one.
Yes, trans men can absolutely give birth, and I can see the very reasonable argument for inclusive language.
Buuuuut….eh. I don’t know how to put this. The inconsistency of rejecting the role of woman, and then performing the quintissential female role of childbearing? There’s an inconsistency or strangeness to it that I can’t quite express.
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*People of penis*
*Post-penis persons*
*Pre-penis post vaginal people*
*Vagina wielding folk*
*Breast adjacent cock collectivists*
*Genital wary sceptics*
Stop me when it starts getting silly.
What’s the issue? Not all postnatal people are mothers, some of them give their children for adoption but may still need postnatal medical support separate to the baby.
I see nothing wrong with this? There’s nothing to apologise for
I, a man, was once born, and am therefore postnatal.
The TERFS are out again castigating people for using inclusive language I see. This countries relationship with trans people and trans rights it’s deeply shameful.
Good. Why the fuck would they even say that in the first place.
What about “people who have recently given birth”? I know it doesn’t roll off the tongue, but would people decrying PC gone mad have an issue with that?
Technically isn’t everyone postnatal ? I presume that most of us were born and didn’t just pop up one day out of thin air ?
Tiny bit daft.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with trying to be neutral and trying to avoid assumptions in all settings, especially professional. But I can’t help but feel that could have found a better turn of phrase.
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Why do we have to walk on eggshells all the time? Why is everybody scared of these people who want to make drastic changes to our language against the will of the majority of its speakers.
[deleted]
The conversation around language and childbirth and trans people was covered in an interesting and educational manner on the latest ep. of The Allusionist podcast, well worth a listen
https://www.theallusionist.org/allusionist/parents
Here’s the thing I think people miss when debating these sorts of things. It all comes down to a hierarchy of identity, both in how you see yourself and how the world sees you, and how that creates a balance or imbalance in life.
Are you a man first and then a person? Do you see yourself as a man first, gay second, a person third, British fourth, Arsenal supporter fifth… etc. Does someone else see you as gay first and make assumptions from that, ignoring all the other identities that make you – you?
It strives to level how we see ourselves and how we see others – as people first. We’re all just people. And from there we’re different, but it’s seeing the humanity first before *anything* else. What can be wrong about that?
This is your brain on the Stonewall Diversity Champion scheme
More culture war bullshit to make you angry that the evil trans people are coming for your way of life.
I mean if this isn’t transphobes being pissed off that trans people are being treated like human beings and it’s actual because they were called a person and not a woman. Then where is the outrage over the term people with cancer in medical literature? Or people with wisdom teeth in dentists. Or people who smoke on posters in gps surgery’s. Or people with blonde hair on the back of hair dye boxes. Or people with sensitive skin on a moisturiser bottle.
The critics of this do not give a shit about the word woman ‘being erased,’ it is nothing more than a cover for their hatred of trans people being treated with respect. It is not accurate to say women when referring to a group that contains trans men. Unless you are transphobic and want to call trans men women. I’m disappointed this sub doesn’t see that this is anything but terfs getting pissed of at trans people existing. If it was about language, why do they only care when the language was changed to include trans people. It’s so fucking transparent and so many of you have fallen for their bigotry disguised as ‘legitimate concerns.’ There’s no fucking hope for trans people in this country when shit like this happens.
Sounds like someone read the perfectly sensible people who menstrate medical guidance and got a bit too overly enthusiastic about being inclusive to stupid levels.
The post I see right below this one is ‘homophobic and transphobic hate crimes surge after lockdown’. Some of the comments in this thread contribute to that surge. Don’t be arseholes.
Isn’t this just the same old PC GONE MAD stories that have been around for decades?
I remember being told when I was a kid that people couldn’t say “police force, postman” and all sorts of other terms anymore. Strange how they’re still in use 10-15 years later.
Medical language is by design dehumanising and distant. So they wrote “people” and not “women” I guess. Well some trans men can get pregnant and this language doesn’t exclude them, it includes them and women, which is correct.
Who are they apologising to?
They didn’t refer to mothers as postnatal people. They used an umbrella term that includes mothers and others.
However, safe sleep is a tricky one, because there does seem to be a gender difference when it comes to safe(r) bedsharing.
Another day, another round of trans bashing on social media. Yay.
I’m conflicted on this one.
Yes, trans men can absolutely give birth, and I can see the very reasonable argument for inclusive language.
Buuuuut….eh. I don’t know how to put this. The inconsistency of rejecting the role of woman, and then performing the quintissential female role of childbearing? There’s an inconsistency or strangeness to it that I can’t quite express.