What if. If the British rescue a boatload they take them to France and if the French rescue a boatload, they take them to England?
Try buying a ferry ticket, they don’t cost upwards of €5000, like what the traffickers charge them for a rubber dhingy.
Oh wait they can’t as that would require a passport, which they don’t have as they are illegally trying to gain entry to a sovereign island nation.
I don’t care about being downvoted to oblivion for being a realist, they aren’t coming here legally so why should we continue to care after a decade of this nonsense happening?
Loss of life is sad regardless of circumstance but this story is repeated daily, on the hour with a various number of illegals from different nations, I’m bored of hearing it at this point.
For the longest time, all we hear are ideas how to solve this “invasion” (push back the boats, copy Australia, leave the ECHR, Rwanda with 200 spaces or convert UK army barracks etc.)
There is one possible solution that I don’t think has been tableted.
It will need the buy in with the French too, but I am sure the people of Calais want a solution.
In short, everyone (or most) who is picked up at sea or who make it to our beaches is taken straight back to Calais with a clear message, “You have wasted your money and try this again, you will be returned back to safe France”.
This will smash the business model of the small boats and the gangs running them.
Yes, there is be some pain for the French and many more numbers in the “jungle” or the tents, but once words gets out that the French and British have agreed to this, most people will stop paying for this route.
As the UK taxpaper has to pay £150 per person per night for the hotels (for years) we can help with the short term surge in the Calais numbers. It is win/win and will reduce the risk to life at sea.
The French ignore distress calls from drowning passengers for 45 minutes until it crossed into UK waters
How could the UK do this?!
Why do they keep getting away with turning a blind eye until it’s in our waters but if we turn a blind eye it’s murder? This is yet another story of the French knowingly ignoring it; including after being informed the boat was sinking.
How exactly is this the UK’s fault?
The French let economic migrants into France, they let traffickers conduct business, they allow them to congregate on their shores, and they allowed them to set sail and continue to sail for 45 minutes until they hit British waters.
I don’t want to see anyone drowning, it’s a horrendous way to go. But if I were to die in a car crash because I’m speeding, nobody would bat an eyelid, they’d say that’s why laws against speeding exist in the first place, and I died because I was reckless and put myself in danger. The same applies here, there are legal routes of entry into this country, by ignoring them and trying to jump the queue they put themselves at risk and if the worst should occur, unfortunately that’s because they were reckless and put themselves in danger. The only people to blame here are those who enable and engage in such recklessness.
At the end of the day, it’s illegal. Actions have consequences.
Sad for folk to die but it’s of their own doing.
God, there are some vile comments on here.
The ONLY way to seek asylum in the U.K. is to be in the U.K. There are obvious and easy solutions to stop these crossing but why would the government do that when these desperate people can instead be made into a bogeyman?
France offered the U.K. asylum processing centres in France but we said no, forcing people into the water. And if you can’t understand why the truly desperate would make the journey, then you’re a sad little creature with a total lack of empathy or understanding of global politics. And don’t give me that shit of “they passed through all these safe countries…..” We take tiny amounts of refugees compared to our EU neighbours and our benefits are pathetic in comparison. You can’t call yourself ‘Great’ Britain, go around the world telling people how fantastic you are then get angry when they want to come here.
Yes, there are some twats that make the crossing but there are solutions and the government has chosen not to do them in order to appease the Daily Mail reading wankers now we can no longer blame everything on the EU.
What are these people seeking asylum from anyway, baguettes?
Our public services and charities should not be tools in the human trafficking pipeline.
These comments seriously test my hope for this country. We edge closer and closer to actually dealing with our problems by axing our corrupt government, but so many of you are just happy to stick to the routine of unquestioningly directing your hatred to whatever the newspaper tells you to, and ignoring the actual fundamental problems affecting the country. It’s fucking sad at this point just how easily some people are manipulated.
It’s not UK business to rescue every idiot who tries to cross channel on inflatable boat.
It’s same case as if we would now start protecting StopOil idiots not to fall from the bridges they climb.
If someone does it they take full responsibility and risk of losing their life.
It’s sad but we can’t operate as a charity country to everyone unfortunately.
We should do all we can to stop migrants from drowning, but they’re responsible for their own actions. Risking your life and your children’s lives to move from France to the UK is stupid and unnecessary.
I put my hand in the lions mouth, then the lion bit me, but it’s your fault.
Probably a bad idea to go into the sea unprepared really. And to let them through all of Europe in direct contradiction to the Dublin accord. That all happened long before they got into the channel.
How is this anyone’s fault? The only people to blame are the ones in the boat….
People knowingly undertake dangerous activity, call for help, rescue services to blame. Imagine… man walks down train tracks, phones police, get hit by train and the police are blamed, how stupid. Personal accountability? Whats that?
From reading the article, the French ignored until they considered the boat to be in British waters and then we stated they were still in French waters. God the French are infuriating sometimes. They do the same with the Italians.
Realistically though, I can see our lot privately supporting this as if we don’t rescue, we won’t be seen as safe and over time, it’ll be less likely we’ll get migrants crossing over.
Excellent program from File on 4 , on the Albanian Exodus, well worth a listen.
A bunch of staggeringly ignorant anti-refugee comments here as usual, I swear it feels like the Mail Online users are leaking into this sub more and more these days.
When people are at the point of needing rescuing it really doesn’t matter why they’re there.
The coastguard has to respond to hundred of people a year who strand their yachts, get cut off by the tide on beach walks, or run out of fuel on their powerboats. Many of those people have made quite poor decisions. Some may be actively involved in illegal activity. They still need rescuing and maritime law doesn’t distinguish between worthy and unworthy.
Incidentally, the MAIB investigate accidents with a view to informing safety practices. They expressly *do not* assign blame and their findings are not admissable in court, so it’s a weak response from the government that they are waiting for the report.
Who cares about a dingee 20 able bodied young males? Should be swimming across and leaving all their women and children in the boats surely?
Why aren’t they staying in France or any other European country they have passes through and claiming asylum answer me that !?
So 27 idiots get into a small boat, get into trouble, and it’s not their own stupid fault?
Why can’t some of the blame rest on their shoulders of the victims as well?
And let’s also try the other line of logic, what if every day there were thousands of boats in trouble, would the government be expected to spend unlimited amounts of money rescuing people?
The fact is, the third world produces far more people in distress every year, than first world countries can absorb. It’s not possible to save everyone, deal with it.
If the UK and France spent this time dithering for every boat the problem will be solved going forward?
It’s not the time or the place but I’d love to start over in France. The mountains, the beaches. It has it all.
Would it not be possible to make an agreement with the French to open an office in calais to process asylum requests there ?
Why are they in the Channel? The answer to this will determine who is responsible.
French coastguards passed the book when they allowed them to leave their shores. It’s sad people have died but why didn’t they claim asylum in France or one of the many countries they passed on their journey.
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What if. If the British rescue a boatload they take them to France and if the French rescue a boatload, they take them to England?
Try buying a ferry ticket, they don’t cost upwards of €5000, like what the traffickers charge them for a rubber dhingy.
Oh wait they can’t as that would require a passport, which they don’t have as they are illegally trying to gain entry to a sovereign island nation.
I don’t care about being downvoted to oblivion for being a realist, they aren’t coming here legally so why should we continue to care after a decade of this nonsense happening?
Loss of life is sad regardless of circumstance but this story is repeated daily, on the hour with a various number of illegals from different nations, I’m bored of hearing it at this point.
For the longest time, all we hear are ideas how to solve this “invasion” (push back the boats, copy Australia, leave the ECHR, Rwanda with 200 spaces or convert UK army barracks etc.)
There is one possible solution that I don’t think has been tableted.
It will need the buy in with the French too, but I am sure the people of Calais want a solution.
In short, everyone (or most) who is picked up at sea or who make it to our beaches is taken straight back to Calais with a clear message, “You have wasted your money and try this again, you will be returned back to safe France”.
This will smash the business model of the small boats and the gangs running them.
Yes, there is be some pain for the French and many more numbers in the “jungle” or the tents, but once words gets out that the French and British have agreed to this, most people will stop paying for this route.
As the UK taxpaper has to pay £150 per person per night for the hotels (for years) we can help with the short term surge in the Calais numbers. It is win/win and will reduce the risk to life at sea.
The French ignore distress calls from drowning passengers for 45 minutes until it crossed into UK waters
How could the UK do this?!
Why do they keep getting away with turning a blind eye until it’s in our waters but if we turn a blind eye it’s murder? This is yet another story of the French knowingly ignoring it; including after being informed the boat was sinking.
How exactly is this the UK’s fault?
The French let economic migrants into France, they let traffickers conduct business, they allow them to congregate on their shores, and they allowed them to set sail and continue to sail for 45 minutes until they hit British waters.
I don’t want to see anyone drowning, it’s a horrendous way to go. But if I were to die in a car crash because I’m speeding, nobody would bat an eyelid, they’d say that’s why laws against speeding exist in the first place, and I died because I was reckless and put myself in danger. The same applies here, there are legal routes of entry into this country, by ignoring them and trying to jump the queue they put themselves at risk and if the worst should occur, unfortunately that’s because they were reckless and put themselves in danger. The only people to blame here are those who enable and engage in such recklessness.
At the end of the day, it’s illegal. Actions have consequences.
Sad for folk to die but it’s of their own doing.
God, there are some vile comments on here.
The ONLY way to seek asylum in the U.K. is to be in the U.K. There are obvious and easy solutions to stop these crossing but why would the government do that when these desperate people can instead be made into a bogeyman?
France offered the U.K. asylum processing centres in France but we said no, forcing people into the water. And if you can’t understand why the truly desperate would make the journey, then you’re a sad little creature with a total lack of empathy or understanding of global politics. And don’t give me that shit of “they passed through all these safe countries…..” We take tiny amounts of refugees compared to our EU neighbours and our benefits are pathetic in comparison. You can’t call yourself ‘Great’ Britain, go around the world telling people how fantastic you are then get angry when they want to come here.
Yes, there are some twats that make the crossing but there are solutions and the government has chosen not to do them in order to appease the Daily Mail reading wankers now we can no longer blame everything on the EU.
What are these people seeking asylum from anyway, baguettes?
Our public services and charities should not be tools in the human trafficking pipeline.
These comments seriously test my hope for this country. We edge closer and closer to actually dealing with our problems by axing our corrupt government, but so many of you are just happy to stick to the routine of unquestioningly directing your hatred to whatever the newspaper tells you to, and ignoring the actual fundamental problems affecting the country. It’s fucking sad at this point just how easily some people are manipulated.
It’s not UK business to rescue every idiot who tries to cross channel on inflatable boat.
It’s same case as if we would now start protecting StopOil idiots not to fall from the bridges they climb.
If someone does it they take full responsibility and risk of losing their life.
It’s sad but we can’t operate as a charity country to everyone unfortunately.
We should do all we can to stop migrants from drowning, but they’re responsible for their own actions. Risking your life and your children’s lives to move from France to the UK is stupid and unnecessary.
I put my hand in the lions mouth, then the lion bit me, but it’s your fault.
Probably a bad idea to go into the sea unprepared really. And to let them through all of Europe in direct contradiction to the Dublin accord. That all happened long before they got into the channel.
How is this anyone’s fault? The only people to blame are the ones in the boat….
People knowingly undertake dangerous activity, call for help, rescue services to blame. Imagine… man walks down train tracks, phones police, get hit by train and the police are blamed, how stupid. Personal accountability? Whats that?
From reading the article, the French ignored until they considered the boat to be in British waters and then we stated they were still in French waters. God the French are infuriating sometimes. They do the same with the Italians.
Realistically though, I can see our lot privately supporting this as if we don’t rescue, we won’t be seen as safe and over time, it’ll be less likely we’ll get migrants crossing over.
Excellent program from File on 4 , on the Albanian Exodus, well worth a listen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dx77
A bunch of staggeringly ignorant anti-refugee comments here as usual, I swear it feels like the Mail Online users are leaking into this sub more and more these days.
When people are at the point of needing rescuing it really doesn’t matter why they’re there.
The coastguard has to respond to hundred of people a year who strand their yachts, get cut off by the tide on beach walks, or run out of fuel on their powerboats. Many of those people have made quite poor decisions. Some may be actively involved in illegal activity. They still need rescuing and maritime law doesn’t distinguish between worthy and unworthy.
Incidentally, the MAIB investigate accidents with a view to informing safety practices. They expressly *do not* assign blame and their findings are not admissable in court, so it’s a weak response from the government that they are waiting for the report.
Who cares about a dingee 20 able bodied young males? Should be swimming across and leaving all their women and children in the boats surely?
Why aren’t they staying in France or any other European country they have passes through and claiming asylum answer me that !?
So 27 idiots get into a small boat, get into trouble, and it’s not their own stupid fault?
Why can’t some of the blame rest on their shoulders of the victims as well?
And let’s also try the other line of logic, what if every day there were thousands of boats in trouble, would the government be expected to spend unlimited amounts of money rescuing people?
The fact is, the third world produces far more people in distress every year, than first world countries can absorb. It’s not possible to save everyone, deal with it.
If the UK and France spent this time dithering for every boat the problem will be solved going forward?
It’s not the time or the place but I’d love to start over in France. The mountains, the beaches. It has it all.
Would it not be possible to make an agreement with the French to open an office in calais to process asylum requests there ?
Why are they in the Channel? The answer to this will determine who is responsible.
French coastguards passed the book when they allowed them to leave their shores. It’s sad people have died but why didn’t they claim asylum in France or one of the many countries they passed on their journey.