No doubt we’ll also be promised improvements in public health, hospitals, schools and education, housing, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum, but with *even less* money coming into the exchequer. Why are vote chasing politicians such outrageous cnuts. They insult our intelligence on a nearly hourly basis.
Fucking bread and circuses.
I’d be happier if they just got rid of the *temporary* USC..
I like the idea of start-ups getting a tax break, but as part of the “squeezed middle,” I don’t really feel like giving me a tax break is in my best interests. Given we face crises in health and housing and are going to have to spend a lot of money to meet our climate goals I don’t think reducing the state’s income sources is a very good idea. Particularly when much of the the high cost of living in Ireland isn’t the result of high taxation really, it’s much more the result of a lack of government intervention in the housing and insurance sectors.
Seems like a pivot by Pascal in the face of FG beginning to lose the middle class. Which again is a result much more of their housing policy than their taxation policy.
E: Just as an afterthought. The article says “Those tax cuts will mean a single person earning around €45,000 will take home an extra €415 a year.” After having to move for work a couple of times my rent is about 250 quid per month higher than it was about 3 years ago, or 3 grand per annum. I don’t want a tax cut that is a fraction of what I’ve lost, I want a state that has the resources to tackle the housing crisis in some meaningful way.
It’ll amount to about 600 euros a year according to the article. The way I think about it is that every time I wake up on the morning of payday 12 times a year, I’ll see the extra 50 euros in my account and think FFG did a good job for my ability to live my life.
However I’ll be reminded 12 times a year when I pay my rent at overly inflated prices, twice a day when I have to take some form of poor quality and inadequate public transport to and from work, and once or twice a year when I have to wait a long time to engage our health service for some reason or another, that FFG did a poor job on improving my ability to live my life.
They **could** remind me 500 times a year that they were the party/coalition that improved my standard of living immensely if they didn’t give me a tax cut and spent it appropriately elsewhere, but they’re too bloody shortsighted and as usual use some lazy tax incentive rather than implementing useful policies.
People don’t want token free money, they want better lives.
After which time, if they are re-elected, will increase taxes to pay for said tax cuts.
No tax cuts , just cut your ties with developers and funds, cut the narrative that the private market will adjust to cope , stop selling public land to private developers and start building affordable housing directly en mass.
For people with kids and working they would rather not have to pay 800-1200 per month for a crèche . That kind of money for childcare is actually putting people off having kids at all , you are dooming the country by making it economically unfeasible to have kids. Unless you live off benefits in state housing .
A blatant bid to curry favour with middle Ireland.
The focus need to be on resolving both the health and housing crisis. A tax cut today means our kids are once again left dealing with the fallout of our ineptitude tomorrow.
Short sighted and a self serving politics.
Not necessary at all and of no real benefit to the country or people. What about a reduction to the crazy CGT in this country, which is one of the highest in Europe, absolutely prevents investment from the people of Ireland into anything other than real estate, and contributes directly to the current housing crisis. Come on guys, do we need some new brain cells in government or are our officials just deliberately sabotaging their own citizens?
Slowly crippling the tax take of the country so that SF have no money when they get into government and have to raise taxes and borrow freely is what this is.
I’d much rather see them take steps to decrease the cost of living, than giving us a few quid extra a month.
With the way the cost of everything is rising these days that increase is barely enough to keep up with the last year or so of increases. In three years time, we’ll probably be in the red.
Getting so tired of this whole “you’ll have a little more in a few years” story!
I don’t want a fucking tax cut, I want to not be living in a room in a house full of other middle income earners until I’m fucking 40. Keep my taxes and build houses ffs.
If you really want to woo me in the middle class.. focus on the extras im paying…. Health insurance, crazy high transport/accommodation for my daughter because we don’t qualify for any SUSE grants etc etc etc. Nevermind having to negotiate potholed roads because I can only afford to buy out of the city. I’m not going to be swayed by slightly reduced tax burdens and a €100 electricity handout.
I really don’t know who I want to vote for next election. The party that has a plan that will overhaul this ridiculous GP driven health system maybe
Tax cuts = prices go up = you don’t see the difference. Actually invest in public services please and build things please
That kind of gets drowned out by exorbitant rent multiple times over.
Oh and don’t forget the *temporary* USC being a fact of life now.
Landlords licking their lips at the prospect of tenants with more income after tax.
Eventually Ireland will be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world with high rise buildings to accommodate more people.
But carbon taxes will keep going up so it will balance out. Give with one hand take more with the other.
I will take whatever tax cuts or increases in bands or reliefs are coming my way with open arms, but they can fuck right off if they think they’ll be getting a vote from me. Wouldn’t piss on the cunts if they were on fire! The country needs better political party options, but not small farty ones, there needs to be a couple of new big membership parties that emerge with different political promises, and a different political leaning that centre and centre right, because then they’re just FFG by a slightly different name. But as we’ve seen time and again, new political parties don’t tend to get much acceptance or recognition and even if they start off big or medium sized and ambitious, within an election or two, membership is down, candidate numbers are down and no one is voting for those that are left, so we’re stuck with the same old shite and political family dynasties. It boils my blood!
We need to band together as a country and get them to abolish the USC charge
I’ll get downvoted to fuck for this, but could they not simply use this money for something useful instead? Sort out the HSE, invest in social housing, improve public transport?
50 extra a month is nice, but not as nice as proper services.
If SF proposed this, FFG and their followers would be screaming about populism, fiscal irresponsibility and “magic money trees”
They spent the last decade pontificating about how Fianna Fail wrecked the economy and left them unable to improve our society, now they’ve completely merged into one another in every way.
I have no problem with the amount of taxes I pay except for the fact that services in this country are shite. Our money is not be utilised efficiently. For the amount we pay our health services and public transport should not be this bad for example.
We wouldn’t need tax cuts if they sorted the housing crisis.
People should consider unavoidable private sector costs like rent, insurance, utilities, and (a bit more tricky, spread out over decades) house prices, even pensions (taxed now, paid later) as a Private Sector Taxes.
So you have your ‘Private Sector Tax’ + your Public Sector Tax, and FFG have done everything possible to demonstrate that they will maximize the amount of ‘tax’ that you will pay, to a sphincter-busting eye-watering degree, to the point that most of you will never afford a home (and the lucky ones will just not afford them while young).
Count the ‘Private Sector Taxes’. FF/FG are a gigantically high ‘tax’ party.
This amount of money is trifling when compared to the inflated cost of living. Which they refuse to tackle meaningfully. We already know housing wont be fixed because we know that developers are happy with thr government’s policies and because we know they are not going to tax the hell out of profits of land sale
They can shove it up their holes for all the good it’ll do
The ever shrinking middle.
Is this what they mean about left wing populism when they have a go at the Shinners? I get confussed.
600 a year less in tax in a few years means that I’ll be paying out 600 in it other hidden taxes.
Pure reactionary stuff after the release of poor poll numbers
Oh wow that will make the obscene rent I am paying almost manageable, thanks brain trust government.
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No doubt we’ll also be promised improvements in public health, hospitals, schools and education, housing, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum, but with *even less* money coming into the exchequer. Why are vote chasing politicians such outrageous cnuts. They insult our intelligence on a nearly hourly basis.
Fucking bread and circuses.
I’d be happier if they just got rid of the *temporary* USC..
I like the idea of start-ups getting a tax break, but as part of the “squeezed middle,” I don’t really feel like giving me a tax break is in my best interests. Given we face crises in health and housing and are going to have to spend a lot of money to meet our climate goals I don’t think reducing the state’s income sources is a very good idea. Particularly when much of the the high cost of living in Ireland isn’t the result of high taxation really, it’s much more the result of a lack of government intervention in the housing and insurance sectors.
Seems like a pivot by Pascal in the face of FG beginning to lose the middle class. Which again is a result much more of their housing policy than their taxation policy.
E: Just as an afterthought. The article says “Those tax cuts will mean a single person earning around €45,000 will take home an extra €415 a year.” After having to move for work a couple of times my rent is about 250 quid per month higher than it was about 3 years ago, or 3 grand per annum. I don’t want a tax cut that is a fraction of what I’ve lost, I want a state that has the resources to tackle the housing crisis in some meaningful way.
It’ll amount to about 600 euros a year according to the article. The way I think about it is that every time I wake up on the morning of payday 12 times a year, I’ll see the extra 50 euros in my account and think FFG did a good job for my ability to live my life.
However I’ll be reminded 12 times a year when I pay my rent at overly inflated prices, twice a day when I have to take some form of poor quality and inadequate public transport to and from work, and once or twice a year when I have to wait a long time to engage our health service for some reason or another, that FFG did a poor job on improving my ability to live my life.
They **could** remind me 500 times a year that they were the party/coalition that improved my standard of living immensely if they didn’t give me a tax cut and spent it appropriately elsewhere, but they’re too bloody shortsighted and as usual use some lazy tax incentive rather than implementing useful policies.
People don’t want token free money, they want better lives.
After which time, if they are re-elected, will increase taxes to pay for said tax cuts.
No tax cuts , just cut your ties with developers and funds, cut the narrative that the private market will adjust to cope , stop selling public land to private developers and start building affordable housing directly en mass.
For people with kids and working they would rather not have to pay 800-1200 per month for a crèche . That kind of money for childcare is actually putting people off having kids at all , you are dooming the country by making it economically unfeasible to have kids. Unless you live off benefits in state housing .
A blatant bid to curry favour with middle Ireland.
The focus need to be on resolving both the health and housing crisis. A tax cut today means our kids are once again left dealing with the fallout of our ineptitude tomorrow.
Short sighted and a self serving politics.
Not necessary at all and of no real benefit to the country or people. What about a reduction to the crazy CGT in this country, which is one of the highest in Europe, absolutely prevents investment from the people of Ireland into anything other than real estate, and contributes directly to the current housing crisis. Come on guys, do we need some new brain cells in government or are our officials just deliberately sabotaging their own citizens?
Slowly crippling the tax take of the country so that SF have no money when they get into government and have to raise taxes and borrow freely is what this is.
I’d much rather see them take steps to decrease the cost of living, than giving us a few quid extra a month.
With the way the cost of everything is rising these days that increase is barely enough to keep up with the last year or so of increases. In three years time, we’ll probably be in the red.
Getting so tired of this whole “you’ll have a little more in a few years” story!
I don’t want a fucking tax cut, I want to not be living in a room in a house full of other middle income earners until I’m fucking 40. Keep my taxes and build houses ffs.
If you really want to woo me in the middle class.. focus on the extras im paying…. Health insurance, crazy high transport/accommodation for my daughter because we don’t qualify for any SUSE grants etc etc etc. Nevermind having to negotiate potholed roads because I can only afford to buy out of the city. I’m not going to be swayed by slightly reduced tax burdens and a €100 electricity handout.
I really don’t know who I want to vote for next election. The party that has a plan that will overhaul this ridiculous GP driven health system maybe
Tax cuts = prices go up = you don’t see the difference. Actually invest in public services please and build things please
That kind of gets drowned out by exorbitant rent multiple times over.
Oh and don’t forget the *temporary* USC being a fact of life now.
Landlords licking their lips at the prospect of tenants with more income after tax.
Eventually Ireland will be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world with high rise buildings to accommodate more people.
But carbon taxes will keep going up so it will balance out. Give with one hand take more with the other.
I will take whatever tax cuts or increases in bands or reliefs are coming my way with open arms, but they can fuck right off if they think they’ll be getting a vote from me. Wouldn’t piss on the cunts if they were on fire! The country needs better political party options, but not small farty ones, there needs to be a couple of new big membership parties that emerge with different political promises, and a different political leaning that centre and centre right, because then they’re just FFG by a slightly different name. But as we’ve seen time and again, new political parties don’t tend to get much acceptance or recognition and even if they start off big or medium sized and ambitious, within an election or two, membership is down, candidate numbers are down and no one is voting for those that are left, so we’re stuck with the same old shite and political family dynasties. It boils my blood!
We need to band together as a country and get them to abolish the USC charge
I’ll get downvoted to fuck for this, but could they not simply use this money for something useful instead? Sort out the HSE, invest in social housing, improve public transport?
50 extra a month is nice, but not as nice as proper services.
If SF proposed this, FFG and their followers would be screaming about populism, fiscal irresponsibility and “magic money trees”
They spent the last decade pontificating about how Fianna Fail wrecked the economy and left them unable to improve our society, now they’ve completely merged into one another in every way.
I have no problem with the amount of taxes I pay except for the fact that services in this country are shite. Our money is not be utilised efficiently. For the amount we pay our health services and public transport should not be this bad for example.
We wouldn’t need tax cuts if they sorted the housing crisis.
People should consider unavoidable private sector costs like rent, insurance, utilities, and (a bit more tricky, spread out over decades) house prices, even pensions (taxed now, paid later) as a Private Sector Taxes.
So you have your ‘Private Sector Tax’ + your Public Sector Tax, and FFG have done everything possible to demonstrate that they will maximize the amount of ‘tax’ that you will pay, to a sphincter-busting eye-watering degree, to the point that most of you will never afford a home (and the lucky ones will just not afford them while young).
Count the ‘Private Sector Taxes’. FF/FG are a gigantically high ‘tax’ party.
This amount of money is trifling when compared to the inflated cost of living. Which they refuse to tackle meaningfully. We already know housing wont be fixed because we know that developers are happy with thr government’s policies and because we know they are not going to tax the hell out of profits of land sale
They can shove it up their holes for all the good it’ll do
The ever shrinking middle.
Is this what they mean about left wing populism when they have a go at the Shinners? I get confussed.
600 a year less in tax in a few years means that I’ll be paying out 600 in it other hidden taxes.
Pure reactionary stuff after the release of poor poll numbers
Oh wow that will make the obscene rent I am paying almost manageable, thanks brain trust government.
FG can piss off