I’ve heard for Canada anyway that the national average house price is skewed massively by Toronto and Vancouver. Many of the smaller Canadian cities have a better average house price:average local income ratio than Ireland.
Woah didn’t know there was a housing crisis outside Ireland, thanks for the heads up.
I’m sure people are well aware of this before.
Nor everyone jumping on the boat to oz is going with a dream of buying a house.
Many are just gone because of how shite is here.
This doesnt factor in rent. A lot of people go away for 4 or 5 years and make more money and even ir you come back penniless it still beats living with the parents.
Can confirm, I live in New Zealand and the average house price is 1.3 million Nz dollars in my town, grass is always greener lads
I’m in Wellington NZ. Bought a house last year, house council rates scaled up with new value.. Prices crashed 20% and stuck with inflated rates etc. Not that great a situation. Area is OK, but heavy armed police presence frequently as despite the million dollar asking its way out in the suburbs and there is as gang half way house. In NZ the gangs openly walk around patched and on Harleys, like some parody of Sons of Anarchy.
Lived in Toronto 3ys ago too and literally everything you do is unaffordable. Houses are much better quality than NZ tho.
In some of these countries (Canada in particular) the quality of housing is much much higher. People who are paying half their paycheck to live in a cold and damp flat in Dublin can find themselves being able to afford a nice apartment with a pool, gym and sauna, as well as adequate outdoor amenity space. Apartment living doesn’t suck, just apartment living in Ireland. Pay a little less for a lot more.
Look what FG did to New Zealand!!!
Can confirm: from Australia and I’ve been back and forth between Ireland for years. The housing is rooted in both countries.
The housing crisis in Ireland is a rental crisis. There are 20k houses up for sale on Daft at the moment and about half of those cost under 300k. FTB numbers are the highest they’ve been since the Celtic Tiger days.
Conversely, there are just over 1k properties up for rent, and for whatever reason we as a nation have decided we’re extremely hostile to the most common sense forms of rental properties.
Let them at it. When I lived in canada I was working the same job as in ireland and getting the same pay. I was paying the same rent and bills. I was doing the same thing I would have been doing every weekend if I was at home. Was there any point in moving? Yes! Even though I was at the same shite as I would have been here, I was so much happier. All the new people, all the new places to see. It was amazing. There is absolutely no reason I can think of to not move abroad if you’re young and free, lads.
Every country I lived in rent prices were a shock.. In Spain you easily pay 60% or over of your salary for an apartment. An apartment in Barcelona is easily more expensive than a house with a garden in Dublin.
I’m in a country that pays higher tax than Ireland and no one can believe it back home. They are convinced Ireland pays the highest tax in the world, has the worst housing crisis, etc..
Would rather pay high rent for somewhere in Canada than some backarse Irish town / small city where you need to own a car and there’s fuck all to do. Not to mention the weather!
We arrived in Vancouver and had a brand newly built apartment rented within 48hrs for less than we would have moved out in my local town in Kildare (4000 population), and it had most of our bills included. The sheer amount of rental properties available was good too, plenty of different options at least compared to home.There was a subway stop 20 seconds from the house and you would never need to drive unless you left the city, although Vancouver has it problems I’d rather be there than anywhere Ireland has to offer. Same goes for anywhere I’ve visited in Canada, beautiful country!
Is there a developed country where there’s no housing issue at the moment?
Where I live in NZ the average price of a house is over a million. Wages are significantly lower than Ireland and cost of living is on par with back home, if not more expensive.
Living abroad is a fantastic and enriching experience everybody should try for at least once if the opportunity is there.
I’m from Canada and living in Ireland now and can attest to everything OP has shared here. That being said, it shouldn’t be a deterrent to moving to any of those countries to gain new experiences and perspectives.
However, it should act as a cautionary tale to those that are looking to escape issues here (especially housing). Every country has its own shit to deal with.
And here i am, an Australian, wanting to move to Ireland and hearing of the housing prices being horrible. Huh.
I don’t think anyone actually leaves for the housing alone tbh. All the people here saying they’re going to leave have been saying it for years, they’re never actually going to leave
No everyone on this sub knows that Ireland’s problems are greater than any any other country.
Ye lived in Vancouver for a while and now in Wellington. It’s a joke in both places. Glad to see Ireland stoped skyrocketing. Didn’t leave because of affordability though, doubt it’s the main reason for a lot of people.
It’s like we’re in a….global housing crisis?
And NZ has a housing crisis, especially in Auckland and Wellington. It’s exactly the same numbers as Ireland re amount of homeless, amount of homeless children, etc.
Yeah the housing crisis is a global problem. And will continue to be for another generation or two until world population peaks at 9-10 billion
Irish living in the US here
People are fucked here too. Interest rates are currently floating at 6.5% (although slowly floating down). It’s basically wiped 100K off purchasing power for someone that was “thinking” about looking in February this year vs buying now.
The other side is that prices are staying very stable. We bought a place in 2020 in Texas for 395K. Sold it in June this year for $550K and aside from putting in new HVAC ($13K) had done little to it. Within 2 years we had a net $150K profit
People everywhere are hurting. Rent is through the roof (in places people want to live) and house prices remain out of reach for many people.
Something is going to break soon
I know I’ll never own a property in Oz but I know I’ll never own a property here either so the choice was continue working and saving my money while living with my folks or spend the majority of my wages on rent in a shit area or go on an adventure to see the world
Jesus this thread is fucking hilarious:
Well travelled redditor: *”Very true. I live in New Zealand and previously in Canada, it’s obscenly expensive here, more so than Dublin!”*
Some bitter neck-beard who’s never left Ireland: *”Huh huh! Acktually, Canada is much bigger, therefore you are incorrect”*
Aussie here and i can confirm if i had a chance to move to ireland i would.
I’m Aussie, wife Irish and we’ve been back and forth a bit.
My anecdotal experience is that it’s still easier in Australia, even though this data is saying the opposite.
I think Ireland’s big problem is supply. No matter if you can afford something there’s just nothing there, buying or renting. Also lending limits severely limit things here in Ireland. Then lastly wages – mine would be nearly 3 times as high in Australia compared to the pittance on offer in Ireland.
But concede that’s just our experience.
And there are lots of other advantages to living in Ireland. Weather is a lot better, when you’re in towns that aren’t Dublin there are SO many jobs that pay above minimum wage, you won’t be stuck in a dead end job in a takeaway or hotel or pub, there’s SO much to do that doesn’t revolve around alcohol, I mean it isn’t depressing at all I love it here.
Only applicable to buying, not to rentals. Canada is definitely cheaper.
I emigrated to Canada. If I’m going to be forced to rent forever, I’d at least like a better quality of life.
Prices have rocketed in Australia the past couple years although they’re thankfully falling now, although much of that has to do with consecutive rate increases, which is causing rents to go up.
That said, the big advantage Australia has over Ireland is choice. There are so many more properties to buy or rent.
this is what a decade of zero rates has done….. huge housing bubbles
Nobody is leaving to buy a house. They want a better lifestyle. People pick up their dog shit in Canada…it’s nice
People aren’t leaving Ireland for NZ, Australia or Canada because of the housing crisis, they’re leaving because those countries offer them a better quality of life. Adjusting for tax and salary increase, your CoL is probably quite similar but I’d rather spend my 20s in Vancouver or Sydney than in Dublin or Cork
It’s a nightmare here in NZ. Rentals are impossible and so expensive but you gotta be a millionaire to even think about buying some shack in town.
36 comments
I’ve heard for Canada anyway that the national average house price is skewed massively by Toronto and Vancouver. Many of the smaller Canadian cities have a better average house price:average local income ratio than Ireland.
Woah didn’t know there was a housing crisis outside Ireland, thanks for the heads up.
I’m sure people are well aware of this before.
Nor everyone jumping on the boat to oz is going with a dream of buying a house.
Many are just gone because of how shite is here.
This doesnt factor in rent. A lot of people go away for 4 or 5 years and make more money and even ir you come back penniless it still beats living with the parents.
Can confirm, I live in New Zealand and the average house price is 1.3 million Nz dollars in my town, grass is always greener lads
I’m in Wellington NZ. Bought a house last year, house council rates scaled up with new value.. Prices crashed 20% and stuck with inflated rates etc. Not that great a situation. Area is OK, but heavy armed police presence frequently as despite the million dollar asking its way out in the suburbs and there is as gang half way house. In NZ the gangs openly walk around patched and on Harleys, like some parody of Sons of Anarchy.
Lived in Toronto 3ys ago too and literally everything you do is unaffordable. Houses are much better quality than NZ tho.
In some of these countries (Canada in particular) the quality of housing is much much higher. People who are paying half their paycheck to live in a cold and damp flat in Dublin can find themselves being able to afford a nice apartment with a pool, gym and sauna, as well as adequate outdoor amenity space. Apartment living doesn’t suck, just apartment living in Ireland. Pay a little less for a lot more.
Look what FG did to New Zealand!!!
Can confirm: from Australia and I’ve been back and forth between Ireland for years. The housing is rooted in both countries.
The housing crisis in Ireland is a rental crisis. There are 20k houses up for sale on Daft at the moment and about half of those cost under 300k. FTB numbers are the highest they’ve been since the Celtic Tiger days.
Conversely, there are just over 1k properties up for rent, and for whatever reason we as a nation have decided we’re extremely hostile to the most common sense forms of rental properties.
Let them at it. When I lived in canada I was working the same job as in ireland and getting the same pay. I was paying the same rent and bills. I was doing the same thing I would have been doing every weekend if I was at home. Was there any point in moving? Yes! Even though I was at the same shite as I would have been here, I was so much happier. All the new people, all the new places to see. It was amazing. There is absolutely no reason I can think of to not move abroad if you’re young and free, lads.
Every country I lived in rent prices were a shock.. In Spain you easily pay 60% or over of your salary for an apartment. An apartment in Barcelona is easily more expensive than a house with a garden in Dublin.
I’m in a country that pays higher tax than Ireland and no one can believe it back home. They are convinced Ireland pays the highest tax in the world, has the worst housing crisis, etc..
Would rather pay high rent for somewhere in Canada than some backarse Irish town / small city where you need to own a car and there’s fuck all to do. Not to mention the weather!
We arrived in Vancouver and had a brand newly built apartment rented within 48hrs for less than we would have moved out in my local town in Kildare (4000 population), and it had most of our bills included. The sheer amount of rental properties available was good too, plenty of different options at least compared to home.There was a subway stop 20 seconds from the house and you would never need to drive unless you left the city, although Vancouver has it problems I’d rather be there than anywhere Ireland has to offer. Same goes for anywhere I’ve visited in Canada, beautiful country!
Is there a developed country where there’s no housing issue at the moment?
Where I live in NZ the average price of a house is over a million. Wages are significantly lower than Ireland and cost of living is on par with back home, if not more expensive.
Living abroad is a fantastic and enriching experience everybody should try for at least once if the opportunity is there.
I’m from Canada and living in Ireland now and can attest to everything OP has shared here. That being said, it shouldn’t be a deterrent to moving to any of those countries to gain new experiences and perspectives.
However, it should act as a cautionary tale to those that are looking to escape issues here (especially housing). Every country has its own shit to deal with.
And here i am, an Australian, wanting to move to Ireland and hearing of the housing prices being horrible. Huh.
I don’t think anyone actually leaves for the housing alone tbh. All the people here saying they’re going to leave have been saying it for years, they’re never actually going to leave
No everyone on this sub knows that Ireland’s problems are greater than any any other country.
Ye lived in Vancouver for a while and now in Wellington. It’s a joke in both places. Glad to see Ireland stoped skyrocketing. Didn’t leave because of affordability though, doubt it’s the main reason for a lot of people.
It’s like we’re in a….global housing crisis?
And NZ has a housing crisis, especially in Auckland and Wellington. It’s exactly the same numbers as Ireland re amount of homeless, amount of homeless children, etc.
Yeah the housing crisis is a global problem. And will continue to be for another generation or two until world population peaks at 9-10 billion
Irish living in the US here
People are fucked here too. Interest rates are currently floating at 6.5% (although slowly floating down). It’s basically wiped 100K off purchasing power for someone that was “thinking” about looking in February this year vs buying now.
The other side is that prices are staying very stable. We bought a place in 2020 in Texas for 395K. Sold it in June this year for $550K and aside from putting in new HVAC ($13K) had done little to it. Within 2 years we had a net $150K profit
People everywhere are hurting. Rent is through the roof (in places people want to live) and house prices remain out of reach for many people.
Something is going to break soon
I know I’ll never own a property in Oz but I know I’ll never own a property here either so the choice was continue working and saving my money while living with my folks or spend the majority of my wages on rent in a shit area or go on an adventure to see the world
Jesus this thread is fucking hilarious:
Well travelled redditor: *”Very true. I live in New Zealand and previously in Canada, it’s obscenly expensive here, more so than Dublin!”*
Some bitter neck-beard who’s never left Ireland: *”Huh huh! Acktually, Canada is much bigger, therefore you are incorrect”*
Aussie here and i can confirm if i had a chance to move to ireland i would.
I’m Aussie, wife Irish and we’ve been back and forth a bit.
My anecdotal experience is that it’s still easier in Australia, even though this data is saying the opposite.
I think Ireland’s big problem is supply. No matter if you can afford something there’s just nothing there, buying or renting. Also lending limits severely limit things here in Ireland. Then lastly wages – mine would be nearly 3 times as high in Australia compared to the pittance on offer in Ireland.
But concede that’s just our experience.
And there are lots of other advantages to living in Ireland. Weather is a lot better, when you’re in towns that aren’t Dublin there are SO many jobs that pay above minimum wage, you won’t be stuck in a dead end job in a takeaway or hotel or pub, there’s SO much to do that doesn’t revolve around alcohol, I mean it isn’t depressing at all I love it here.
Only applicable to buying, not to rentals. Canada is definitely cheaper.
I emigrated to Canada. If I’m going to be forced to rent forever, I’d at least like a better quality of life.
Prices have rocketed in Australia the past couple years although they’re thankfully falling now, although much of that has to do with consecutive rate increases, which is causing rents to go up.
That said, the big advantage Australia has over Ireland is choice. There are so many more properties to buy or rent.
this is what a decade of zero rates has done….. huge housing bubbles
Nobody is leaving to buy a house. They want a better lifestyle. People pick up their dog shit in Canada…it’s nice
People aren’t leaving Ireland for NZ, Australia or Canada because of the housing crisis, they’re leaving because those countries offer them a better quality of life. Adjusting for tax and salary increase, your CoL is probably quite similar but I’d rather spend my 20s in Vancouver or Sydney than in Dublin or Cork
It’s a nightmare here in NZ. Rentals are impossible and so expensive but you gotta be a millionaire to even think about buying some shack in town.