What a load of bollocks. It’s probably cost about £10m to develop and launch that. Is there not more important things to do at the moment like tackling poverty and helping people due to the cost of living. I’m all for equality but wrong timing. Man is a fucking idiot.
I’m so glad we have the money to fund this desperately needed eduction training. After we fixed the underfunding on the NHS and reliance on food banks, we finally have the money to fund the *needed* things.
Oh good. Another gendered thing that seems to ignore that boys and men can also be victims of violence and prejudice / presents only women as victims / presents women only as victims.
Equality and inclusivity is a one way street once again.
I’m not sure why this should be focussed on one gender vs another, surely it should be about tackling the root cause. For example the Harassment figures by gender are fairly even but for serious assault victims it’s mainly males being attacked. The message should be don’t be a dick to anyone, no matter who or what they are.
> In 2018 there were 243,034 records of victims of violence against the person where gender information was recorded
>
> Overall, men and women were affected by these crimes equally
>
> However, there are differences in relation to the severity of the offence
>
> Women were more often recorded as victims of Harassment offences (55%) and Assault with Injury (53%).
>
> However, for serious wounding, 70% of these victims were recorded as being male
(I posted this in /r/London and saw the same article here so copying my comment over)
Came here for the whataboutery.
Wasn’t disappointed!
Strange. I bet he keeps company with Men that treat women as second class citizens.
one third of domestic abuse victims are men. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 1.6 million women and 757,000 men reported abuse in 2020.maybe we should teach all pupils about relationships including those of LGBT+.
Another proverbial stick to beat men and boys with. Its no wonder men are killing themselves at astonishing rates.
Another men and and boys are inherently evil gender studies article.
I really do feel for young lads nowadays and this perceived onslaught on them, like they’re innately bad people and the reason for all the world’s wrongs.
A whole society treating boys and young men like criminals waiting to happen, and then be surprised it ends up with the these young men watching trash like Andrew Tate etc.
No surprise really that such conmen can have such a grip on the younger generations if you get blamed for stuff you didn’t even do.
No. we dont.
This is a publicly funded campaign of hate brought by feminists, and is part of a wider anti-male agenda. It costs £100m.
This campaign only targets boys and men, and paints them as abusers, while women and girls Re only shown as victims. They claim to teach the signs of sexism, but only from males, towards females. it does not mention misandry, or females being really shitty towards males or other females.
These are the same feminists who support forcing boys to stand up in class and apologise for their gender. This entire campaign is sexist, misandrist hate filled garbage, and we need to start fighting back against it. The attitude of certain women and girls, towards men and boys is disgusting, harmful and discriminatory. It needs to change.
Wnile we should call out sexism, we need to call it out against everyone, even women. And protect everyone equally.
It all gets so dull eventually…
As long as there is any interpersonal violence in the world, it’s likely that the lion’s share of it will be perpetrated by men and boys – regardless of whether the victims are women or men.
Is this a problem? Yes, I suppose it is; I am also under no illusion that we can ever eliminate violence in the world completely.
This is a moral well spring that well-intentioned people can return to indefinitely to give the impression of “doing something”, and I don’t really see an end to it.
As long as we insist that the best way of making sense of the social dynamics between men and women is to designate one group as marginalised and the other as privileged, people like Khan will be stuck in a Groundhog Day-style loop that they can never escape from:
Are members of the privileged group inflicting suffering on members of the marginalised group? Yes? Well, then our work is not done!
This is made worse by people being seemingly unsure about whether they are referring merely to *members* of the problematic group, or to the group itself in its entirety. Which is it? Does the group “men” contain certain repugnant members that we all should condemn, or is the group itself repugnant?
If you conceptualise it at the latter, then it should be obvious that you’re going to be futilely pushing that boulder up that hill in perpetuity.
Clicked on this expecting a certain flavour of comments, and wasn’t disappointed. Just more whataboutism and men taking it as a personal attack rather than an initiative to teach boys to grow up to be kinder, gentler adults. Just because someone tells you that you can do better doesn’t mean they’re attacking you, and if you take criticism as an attack then you’re a part of the problem. Any push towards equality and kindness in society, no matter who it’s targeted at, is good.
Edit: so many men replying to this completely missing the message.
Edit: Muting this now, because unfortunately there are still too many people who take the message of ‘you need to do better’ as a personal attack, especially if, god forbid, it’s targetted at men specifically. (The replies just prove my point, if your reaction to a problem being pointed out is “but what about (insert other group here) then you’re a part of the problem.
Just another excuse to push blame on to young boys and make them grow up with their own issues so they don’t have to admit ‘we don’t know how to stop this’.
Not gonna work, never is a ‘toolkit’, likely concocted by a very select group of ultra-left tone-deaf weirdos gonna put a dint in a million years of evolution which got us to where we are now. I don’t know the solution, but I know it’s not this.
Article: “Slavery is bad”
Sane response: “Agreed, let’s all fight slavery!”
Insane response: “Another racially insensitive accusation that deprives my people of our cultural heritage and treats all white people as evil”
He’s right, the advertising campaign that’s been on channel 4 recently is doing a good job too. We cant keep hiding behind the issue being institutionalised sexism or racism we need to call each other out.
> “Men have got to change the attitudes of their gender, because most of the violence against women and girls is because of us, Mr Khan told students at the North London boy’s school. “I hope that today’s boys grow up with more empathy and a better understanding than yesterday’s generation,” he added
Conceptually, I’m really excited about this.
Having grown up with it, and knowing how it was used against me as a boy, I do believe that toxic masculinity in modern culture is a pervasive issue, and it does largely harm women visibly, but also harms the men involved in ways that are less visible.
I’ve also always felt that simply saying “how you are now is bad” is not motivational toward young boys in their formation into young men: telling young men that they are wrong or bad pushes then into the arms of anyone that treats them as special, because they, too, seek approval and comfort in their identities, and if you aren’t providing that, the Far-Right is extremely keen to do so.
I think this takes a step toward helping build young men into less repressed people, and I would hope it makes them into happier young men, but I do believe that part of this process will also come down to assuring boys and teenagers that empathy toward women is a part of that process, but that being a kind young man is not just desirable, but part of being a man, and what makes one a special figure.
I really don’t think we can be sure of kindness toward girls and women, unless we are fostering kindness in boys toward themselves, and I am keen to see how this program will address that. “Most violence against women is by us, *and you are going to be so much better than that*”, is a wonderful place to work from in forming better young men, or so I believe. 🙂
Yo hear me out:
**Target this at literally all children regardless of gender/sex**, it’s an easy win, means you don’t have to separate schools that aren’t already separated, more people are taught how to deal with and recognise the problem and you can’t be called sexist for only ‘targeting’ one group with help.
I think it’s a good idea to teach people about sexism (/and hatred) in all forms – but I don’t see why they think it would be better to pull out only specific people instead of teaching everyone, that just seems weird to me.
*edit: Apparently this media was biased or something and the actual thing maybe doesn’t say it’s targeted towards ‘only boys’?*
Well that’s a misleading title. Fuck sake another bullshit scheme.
Why are boys been shown stuff like this and been told they’re the bad guys? It’s just not right. They’re boys. Not men.
People spending way to much time trying to mould men into these fake versions of ourselves.
Men need grow stronger backbone, been too acceptant of constant condemning of normal character traits.
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One of the stats stuck out to me. 9 out of 10 women had experienced sexist name calling.
I suppose; slut, whore etc falls into this category. Men and women use them to hurt a women. Just like men would be ridiculed for their lack of masculinity, small genitalia etc.
One of those stats that looks horrific but is clearly a societal problem. If a woman wants to hurt another woman; she’s going to call her a slut isn’t she?
How about an anti-sexism toolkit for girls?
You’ve got globally impressionable celebs like Billie Eilish calling boys not wearing Nike shoes as being “small dick energy – I look at those boys and think, they’ve got small dicks” to the roaring laughter of the interviewer.
Talk about backwards psychology from a weak as chicken shit mayor on a fragile thin vote share.
The irony of doing this to boys in school as well where boys are objectively treated more unfairly by teachers, who are mostly female and then told by the same female teachers that give them harsher punishments than their female counterparts that they need to stop being horrible to women. Maybe it would be great if boys had more positive interactions with females growing up as well as being taught how to properly be respectful to a woman?
A higher percentage of Reddit posts descend into crass sexist comments and low IQ comments about “Boobs lol”.
There is a very unhealthy, aggressive and deviant attitude towards sex in society. The widespread availability of Pornography and rise in dangerous Incel culture is just the tip of the iceberg.
Is there any evidence the toolkit will reduce sexist behavior? Or, as he stated the goal is, reduce violence against women? Do we know that violence against women occurs because men don’t respect them enough? Or is it because some men are aggressive and violent and they direct this at human beings weaker than themselves?
It would be amazing if you could fundamentally change violent people just by talking to them about how they should respect everyone.
“Immigrants have to change the attitudes of their race”
Remember boys, no matter what happens *you* are the problem. It’s important to start the shaming early, so by the time they are adults the perception of men as the ‘toxic’ gender is fully internalised.
people who do these kind of acts are not the kind of people who will listen or care
Every single woman experiences, at the very minimum, sexual harassment. And a very large percentage experience male violence, sexual or otherwise. Anyone who claims otherwise is in denial of where this issue lies. It can’t be 1% of men when it affects near 100% of women. Rather than getting defensive (which I can understand to an extent – this is a very upsetting and emotional topic), speak to the women you love. Ask them for their stories and really listen. Accept they likely won’t feel comfortable sharing stories of rape and assault but listen to whatever they are willing to share. Unfortunately sexual harassment of girls often starts around age 10 – now a [study-backed fact](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/most-british-women-first-experience-street-harrassment-between-age-11-and-17-10284574.html?amp), and unfortunately something me and the women close to me all experienced. It’s very upsetting to think that your daughter will become a meat piece to some men whilst she’s still a child but pretending it doesn’t happen won’t protect her, just as it didn’t protect your mum, sister, wife.
Year 7 student told me that women need to take some responsibility if they are raped or sexually assaulted. It is an issue and not enough people are aware of how much young boys are being influenced by vile tiktokers and influencers.
I agree. But the attitude to men from other men, and occasionally women, is something that is completely ignored. We’re told to shut up for having any feelings. If we have an opinion, even respectful, we’re mansplaining. Disagree? Mysogonist. Do you know how many times I’ve heard, “Oh, a man thinking he’s hard done by” or something similar? A lot. Just the other day, a women told me to know my place for bringing this up, even though I support female empowerment. It’s a no wonder male suicide is so high. And then you pile on the toxic masculinity other men throw at us, which is usually denied to even be a thing.
But no, men need to be quiet because they aren’t as historically opessed. I’m afraid to say anything half the time. There’s a huge double standard.
Men seriously need to re-evaluate their attitudes towards woman (and men), but they’re not the only ones that need to do that.
isn’t it something insane like 1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted? come to think of it, out of all of my friends who are women, I think they all have at least one story where they were harassed or abused, so breaking the gender norms of “being a man” is great, and to properly educate these kids that this shit is illegal and socially unacceptable. and to the men that are saying WHAT ABOUT, or how it’s a waste of time and money, you’re part of the issue, and if you’re taking offence to it, then why?
I don’t. I have no responsibility for what other people think, only my own behaviour.
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What a load of bollocks. It’s probably cost about £10m to develop and launch that. Is there not more important things to do at the moment like tackling poverty and helping people due to the cost of living. I’m all for equality but wrong timing. Man is a fucking idiot.
I’m so glad we have the money to fund this desperately needed eduction training. After we fixed the underfunding on the NHS and reliance on food banks, we finally have the money to fund the *needed* things.
Oh good. Another gendered thing that seems to ignore that boys and men can also be victims of violence and prejudice / presents only women as victims / presents women only as victims.
Equality and inclusivity is a one way street once again.
Edit: To address the *next* 5 people who don’t read the comments below and think they’re the first to say [“You didn’t read it”.](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/yye36j/men_have_to_change_the_attitudes_of_their_gender/iwujlic/)
I’m not sure why this should be focussed on one gender vs another, surely it should be about tackling the root cause. For example the Harassment figures by gender are fairly even but for serious assault victims it’s mainly males being attacked. The message should be don’t be a dick to anyone, no matter who or what they are.
https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngovmb/documents/s63845/Appendix%20B%20-%20The%20Victims%20of%20Violence%20-%20VRU%20PRG%2001052019.pdf
> In 2018 there were 243,034 records of victims of violence against the person where gender information was recorded
>
> Overall, men and women were affected by these crimes equally
>
> However, there are differences in relation to the severity of the offence
>
> Women were more often recorded as victims of Harassment offences (55%) and Assault with Injury (53%).
>
> However, for serious wounding, 70% of these victims were recorded as being male
(I posted this in /r/London and saw the same article here so copying my comment over)
Came here for the whataboutery.
Wasn’t disappointed!
Strange. I bet he keeps company with Men that treat women as second class citizens.
one third of domestic abuse victims are men. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 1.6 million women and 757,000 men reported abuse in 2020.maybe we should teach all pupils about relationships including those of LGBT+.
Another proverbial stick to beat men and boys with. Its no wonder men are killing themselves at astonishing rates.
Another men and and boys are inherently evil gender studies article.
I really do feel for young lads nowadays and this perceived onslaught on them, like they’re innately bad people and the reason for all the world’s wrongs.
A whole society treating boys and young men like criminals waiting to happen, and then be surprised it ends up with the these young men watching trash like Andrew Tate etc.
No surprise really that such conmen can have such a grip on the younger generations if you get blamed for stuff you didn’t even do.
No. we dont.
This is a publicly funded campaign of hate brought by feminists, and is part of a wider anti-male agenda. It costs £100m.
more information be found here.. https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ypvniv/pupils_in_london_to_be_trained_to_recognise/
and here..
https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ypwxvl/help_stop_it_violence_against_women_and_girls_but/
This campaign only targets boys and men, and paints them as abusers, while women and girls Re only shown as victims. They claim to teach the signs of sexism, but only from males, towards females. it does not mention misandry, or females being really shitty towards males or other females.
These are the same feminists who support forcing boys to stand up in class and apologise for their gender. This entire campaign is sexist, misandrist hate filled garbage, and we need to start fighting back against it. The attitude of certain women and girls, towards men and boys is disgusting, harmful and discriminatory. It needs to change.
Wnile we should call out sexism, we need to call it out against everyone, even women. And protect everyone equally.
It all gets so dull eventually…
As long as there is any interpersonal violence in the world, it’s likely that the lion’s share of it will be perpetrated by men and boys – regardless of whether the victims are women or men.
Is this a problem? Yes, I suppose it is; I am also under no illusion that we can ever eliminate violence in the world completely.
This is a moral well spring that well-intentioned people can return to indefinitely to give the impression of “doing something”, and I don’t really see an end to it.
As long as we insist that the best way of making sense of the social dynamics between men and women is to designate one group as marginalised and the other as privileged, people like Khan will be stuck in a Groundhog Day-style loop that they can never escape from:
Are members of the privileged group inflicting suffering on members of the marginalised group? Yes? Well, then our work is not done!
This is made worse by people being seemingly unsure about whether they are referring merely to *members* of the problematic group, or to the group itself in its entirety. Which is it? Does the group “men” contain certain repugnant members that we all should condemn, or is the group itself repugnant?
If you conceptualise it at the latter, then it should be obvious that you’re going to be futilely pushing that boulder up that hill in perpetuity.
Clicked on this expecting a certain flavour of comments, and wasn’t disappointed. Just more whataboutism and men taking it as a personal attack rather than an initiative to teach boys to grow up to be kinder, gentler adults. Just because someone tells you that you can do better doesn’t mean they’re attacking you, and if you take criticism as an attack then you’re a part of the problem. Any push towards equality and kindness in society, no matter who it’s targeted at, is good.
Edit: so many men replying to this completely missing the message.
Edit: Muting this now, because unfortunately there are still too many people who take the message of ‘you need to do better’ as a personal attack, especially if, god forbid, it’s targetted at men specifically. (The replies just prove my point, if your reaction to a problem being pointed out is “but what about (insert other group here) then you’re a part of the problem.
Just another excuse to push blame on to young boys and make them grow up with their own issues so they don’t have to admit ‘we don’t know how to stop this’.
Not gonna work, never is a ‘toolkit’, likely concocted by a very select group of ultra-left tone-deaf weirdos gonna put a dint in a million years of evolution which got us to where we are now. I don’t know the solution, but I know it’s not this.
Article: “Slavery is bad”
Sane response: “Agreed, let’s all fight slavery!”
Insane response: “Another racially insensitive accusation that deprives my people of our cultural heritage and treats all white people as evil”
He’s right, the advertising campaign that’s been on channel 4 recently is doing a good job too. We cant keep hiding behind the issue being institutionalised sexism or racism we need to call each other out.
> “Men have got to change the attitudes of their gender, because most of the violence against women and girls is because of us, Mr Khan told students at the North London boy’s school. “I hope that today’s boys grow up with more empathy and a better understanding than yesterday’s generation,” he added
Conceptually, I’m really excited about this.
Having grown up with it, and knowing how it was used against me as a boy, I do believe that toxic masculinity in modern culture is a pervasive issue, and it does largely harm women visibly, but also harms the men involved in ways that are less visible.
I’ve also always felt that simply saying “how you are now is bad” is not motivational toward young boys in their formation into young men: telling young men that they are wrong or bad pushes then into the arms of anyone that treats them as special, because they, too, seek approval and comfort in their identities, and if you aren’t providing that, the Far-Right is extremely keen to do so.
I think this takes a step toward helping build young men into less repressed people, and I would hope it makes them into happier young men, but I do believe that part of this process will also come down to assuring boys and teenagers that empathy toward women is a part of that process, but that being a kind young man is not just desirable, but part of being a man, and what makes one a special figure.
I really don’t think we can be sure of kindness toward girls and women, unless we are fostering kindness in boys toward themselves, and I am keen to see how this program will address that. “Most violence against women is by us, *and you are going to be so much better than that*”, is a wonderful place to work from in forming better young men, or so I believe. 🙂
Yo hear me out:
**Target this at literally all children regardless of gender/sex**, it’s an easy win, means you don’t have to separate schools that aren’t already separated, more people are taught how to deal with and recognise the problem and you can’t be called sexist for only ‘targeting’ one group with help.
I think it’s a good idea to teach people about sexism (/and hatred) in all forms – but I don’t see why they think it would be better to pull out only specific people instead of teaching everyone, that just seems weird to me.
*edit: Apparently this media was biased or something and the actual thing maybe doesn’t say it’s targeted towards ‘only boys’?*
Well that’s a misleading title. Fuck sake another bullshit scheme.
Why are boys been shown stuff like this and been told they’re the bad guys? It’s just not right. They’re boys. Not men.
People spending way to much time trying to mould men into these fake versions of ourselves.
Men need grow stronger backbone, been too acceptant of constant condemning of normal character traits.
[deleted]
One of the stats stuck out to me. 9 out of 10 women had experienced sexist name calling.
I suppose; slut, whore etc falls into this category. Men and women use them to hurt a women. Just like men would be ridiculed for their lack of masculinity, small genitalia etc.
One of those stats that looks horrific but is clearly a societal problem. If a woman wants to hurt another woman; she’s going to call her a slut isn’t she?
How about an anti-sexism toolkit for girls?
You’ve got globally impressionable celebs like Billie Eilish calling boys not wearing Nike shoes as being “small dick energy – I look at those boys and think, they’ve got small dicks” to the roaring laughter of the interviewer.
Talk about backwards psychology from a weak as chicken shit mayor on a fragile thin vote share.
The irony of doing this to boys in school as well where boys are objectively treated more unfairly by teachers, who are mostly female and then told by the same female teachers that give them harsher punishments than their female counterparts that they need to stop being horrible to women. Maybe it would be great if boys had more positive interactions with females growing up as well as being taught how to properly be respectful to a woman?
A higher percentage of Reddit posts descend into crass sexist comments and low IQ comments about “Boobs lol”.
There is a very unhealthy, aggressive and deviant attitude towards sex in society. The widespread availability of Pornography and rise in dangerous Incel culture is just the tip of the iceberg.
Is there any evidence the toolkit will reduce sexist behavior? Or, as he stated the goal is, reduce violence against women? Do we know that violence against women occurs because men don’t respect them enough? Or is it because some men are aggressive and violent and they direct this at human beings weaker than themselves?
It would be amazing if you could fundamentally change violent people just by talking to them about how they should respect everyone.
“Immigrants have to change the attitudes of their race”
Remember boys, no matter what happens *you* are the problem. It’s important to start the shaming early, so by the time they are adults the perception of men as the ‘toxic’ gender is fully internalised.
people who do these kind of acts are not the kind of people who will listen or care
Every single woman experiences, at the very minimum, sexual harassment. And a very large percentage experience male violence, sexual or otherwise. Anyone who claims otherwise is in denial of where this issue lies. It can’t be 1% of men when it affects near 100% of women. Rather than getting defensive (which I can understand to an extent – this is a very upsetting and emotional topic), speak to the women you love. Ask them for their stories and really listen. Accept they likely won’t feel comfortable sharing stories of rape and assault but listen to whatever they are willing to share. Unfortunately sexual harassment of girls often starts around age 10 – now a [study-backed fact](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/most-british-women-first-experience-street-harrassment-between-age-11-and-17-10284574.html?amp), and unfortunately something me and the women close to me all experienced. It’s very upsetting to think that your daughter will become a meat piece to some men whilst she’s still a child but pretending it doesn’t happen won’t protect her, just as it didn’t protect your mum, sister, wife.
Year 7 student told me that women need to take some responsibility if they are raped or sexually assaulted. It is an issue and not enough people are aware of how much young boys are being influenced by vile tiktokers and influencers.
I agree. But the attitude to men from other men, and occasionally women, is something that is completely ignored. We’re told to shut up for having any feelings. If we have an opinion, even respectful, we’re mansplaining. Disagree? Mysogonist. Do you know how many times I’ve heard, “Oh, a man thinking he’s hard done by” or something similar? A lot. Just the other day, a women told me to know my place for bringing this up, even though I support female empowerment. It’s a no wonder male suicide is so high. And then you pile on the toxic masculinity other men throw at us, which is usually denied to even be a thing.
But no, men need to be quiet because they aren’t as historically opessed. I’m afraid to say anything half the time. There’s a huge double standard.
Men seriously need to re-evaluate their attitudes towards woman (and men), but they’re not the only ones that need to do that.
isn’t it something insane like 1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted? come to think of it, out of all of my friends who are women, I think they all have at least one story where they were harassed or abused, so breaking the gender norms of “being a man” is great, and to properly educate these kids that this shit is illegal and socially unacceptable. and to the men that are saying WHAT ABOUT, or how it’s a waste of time and money, you’re part of the issue, and if you’re taking offence to it, then why?
I don’t. I have no responsibility for what other people think, only my own behaviour.