“superpower” xD The reporter was feeling spunky today
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,
Superpowers? Like that of France?
A military superpower would need to match the likes of the US and China. (As well as a theoretical version of Russia where everyone wasn’t corrupt as shit.) A combined european armed forces could probably reach that level, but each singular state alone has no chance. Also, no offense to the Poles, but there’s at least France and the UK they’d need to surpass first.
Oh, the fruits of being stuck in a massive frozen confrontation for decades. Korea has been maintaining its defense industry on a semi-total war footing for decades, and it now stands more ready for actual mass production than many of its European and American competitors, such as can be called now that our qualitative acumen has largely caught up.
With the industrial capacity in place in Poland – where labor should be even more price-competitive and enthusiastic about defense production than in Korea – and satisfied customers already in Finland, Estonia, and potentially now Norway and Romania…we stand to take away a significant chunk of the land arms market from the stagnant continental producers through the 2030s if things go well.
Best wishes to Nexter, KMW and other competitors from across the continent, heh.
“That calm was born of a simple reality that has for years passed most of Europe by: Poland has what is **arguably Europe’s best army**. And it’s only going to get stronger.” Brother, are u smoking crack?
Poland must have really great economy to support such strong military.
HAHAHAHHAHA!
That was a good one.
I’d hold my horses just yet because this reads like Law and Justice-adjacent Gell-Mann amnesia or a puff piece. People keep praising the military stuff while forgetting that PiS have screwed up basically every single major project and reform in other fields.
The article seems to take claims and plans at a face value for no reason – a lot of those large arms deals are supposed to have multiple phases with actual contracts signed for only a fraction of the huge numbers they keep touting around. Also, afaik, most military journalists in Poland find the 300k army thing ridiculous due to staffing reasons (they won’t find the recruits).
It’s also worth remembering that PiS have been in power for 7 years and before the war started they didn’t seem to have any long-term modernisation plans. They just killed contracts signed by the previous government and occasionally purchased US stuff (F-35 for example) at higher prices than other EU countries without tenders and tests and with basically no negotiations. To be honest, it feels like they are treating most of those purchases mainly like photo-op opportunities with everything else being secondary.
Will us Poles be a bit safer? Probably, but I wouldn’t go as far as being a second Turkey, not to mention that Europe has some actual nuclear powers…(and that even more safety will probably come from Russian losses in Ukraine)
regional power seems more accurate
I actually though Poland had a pretty strong army during the Cold War?
But I was a kid back then and Poland was right next door (Denmark), so that may have played a role.
In George Friedman‘s “The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century” (Doubleday), the author predicts that Poland along with Turkey, Japan and Mexico, will become new world powers by the end of this century. We won’t be worrying ourselves over Russia or China, because those countries will have experienced a breakdown of power, much like the first collapse of communism.
I kinda expected it to be onion, not some “we strive to be serious” site.
Lol… Even if you disregard the fact that the Polish army is lacking in a lot of areas the main issue is that you can’t become a superpower without your own nukes and nuclear subs to deliver them anywhere in the world. Nukes stationed there by a real superpower doesn’t count…
Poles are logical, patriotic, compassionate, and more Catholic than the Vatican. If you can’t trust them, who **can** you trust?
There’s only one military superpower: the US. Their military dwarfs everyone else’s. If you combine the Russian, Chinese, French, and German militaries, you’d still be far behind. In turns of capabilities.
They have 1.1K active jet fighters… Not available. Active! They also have the most advanced logistics over any other military and have been going to war overseas for decades.
Not to mention that all of their military is comprised of professionals and they have a ton of reserves.
Calling anything else a superpower is crazy.
Yeah ok buddy, so far it’s been only big announcement. Remind me in 10 years.
Just because Polish politicians say that they will order a lot of military equipment, does not mean that they will buy it. Or successfully reorganise army to use it. It’s just talking.
Source: I’m Polish.
Superpower LOL
More like bankrupt state as they absolutely aren’t able to afford even a part of all the plans they have announced. And they don’t have to, it’s all completely pointless. No NATO territory will ever be attacked, that’s what nukes do. Guarantee world peace in the actually developed world.
What are you all smoking? Right now, as of today….and for the next 5 to 6 years, 3 countries are the major military powers of EU.
1. France
2. Italy
3. Greece
Every body else should keep sleeping.
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Now if Poland starts a 20 year long military reformation might become no2.
Yeah i can totally see them beating France/UK /s
Oh yeah if there’s one takeaway from the Russian invasion it’s that countries that project a lot of armaments “on paper” are capable in conducting modern warfare. /s
2039: Poland conquers Germany in 3 weeks
In a European context, Poland will have a large land force, that’s not in question, big numbers and all of it state of the art kit. Abrams SEPv3, K2 Black Panthers, K9s, HIMARS, Chunmoo, Apache Guardians etc.
This is inline though with Poland’s position in NATO. As the largest country on the Eastern Flank the armed forces should be weighted towards land forces, as there is no point having tanks stationed in Portugal and then driving them to Poland. Poland’s land forces will be very important in protecting the whole Eastern Flank and NATO in general, it’s important to stop any aggressor quite literally on the border and also to serve as a deterrent. When you’re staring down 500+ MLRS, 1300+ top of the line tanks and 800+ top of the line artillery pieces, well, you’ll think twice before trying it on.
The navy is more modest, but three new Arrowhead frigates at 7000 tonnes a piece is respectable for the Baltic and a limited coastline.
Airforce will be a mix of F-35s, late generation F-16s and perhaps some F-15EXs, it’s modern and but not particularly large in a European context.
Overall, it’s the right mix for where Poland sits in Europe.
We’ve been memeing so long about “Poland Stronk” that they actually became Stronk
I really don’t get how Poland plans to afford so many expensive weapons systems. Their GDP is much lower than the GDP of a tiny country like the Netherlands, yet they have ambitions to have an army bigger than France’s. The upkeep must be crippling to their economy in a few years…
I mean I know Poland isn’t going to have US-like military capabilitie and the headline is exaggerating, but people in here acting like Poland has the army the size of Bhutan is kind of odd to see, especially after recent purchases and budget expansion
XD
Polish circle-jerk incoming in 3… 2… 1… Liftoff!!!!!
I’m certain Poland will rise to be a major player on the Eastern flank, but in the short term the next *best army in Europe*, at least in terms of home-ground conventional warfare, is without doubt going to be Ukraine’s.
I understand Polands position given recent events, but their current official plans for Equipment-acquisition are, frankly put, completely ludicrous.
Like, serious doubts about the simple ability to properly be able to pay for the sustained upkeep of everything they are supposedly being aside, part of it is just completely unfeasible.
Like, they want to buy 500 HiMARS. Ok. Not only does not even the US itself have that many, one full Salvo from all of those would be 3000 GMLRS-Missiles. Only the US makes them, and they currently can produce about ~12000 *max* a year. So were the fuck is the Ammo for all of those supposed to come from?
(also I see your bullshit politico at the end there, still just BILD in a fancy coat)
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“superpower” xD The reporter was feeling spunky today
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,
Superpowers? Like that of France?
A military superpower would need to match the likes of the US and China. (As well as a theoretical version of Russia where everyone wasn’t corrupt as shit.) A combined european armed forces could probably reach that level, but each singular state alone has no chance. Also, no offense to the Poles, but there’s at least France and the UK they’d need to surpass first.
Oh, the fruits of being stuck in a massive frozen confrontation for decades. Korea has been maintaining its defense industry on a semi-total war footing for decades, and it now stands more ready for actual mass production than many of its European and American competitors, such as can be called now that our qualitative acumen has largely caught up.
With the industrial capacity in place in Poland – where labor should be even more price-competitive and enthusiastic about defense production than in Korea – and satisfied customers already in Finland, Estonia, and potentially now Norway and Romania…we stand to take away a significant chunk of the land arms market from the stagnant continental producers through the 2030s if things go well.
Best wishes to Nexter, KMW and other competitors from across the continent, heh.
“That calm was born of a simple reality that has for years passed most of Europe by: Poland has what is **arguably Europe’s best army**. And it’s only going to get stronger.” Brother, are u smoking crack?
Poland must have really great economy to support such strong military.
HAHAHAHHAHA!
That was a good one.
I’d hold my horses just yet because this reads like Law and Justice-adjacent Gell-Mann amnesia or a puff piece. People keep praising the military stuff while forgetting that PiS have screwed up basically every single major project and reform in other fields.
The article seems to take claims and plans at a face value for no reason – a lot of those large arms deals are supposed to have multiple phases with actual contracts signed for only a fraction of the huge numbers they keep touting around. Also, afaik, most military journalists in Poland find the 300k army thing ridiculous due to staffing reasons (they won’t find the recruits).
It’s also worth remembering that PiS have been in power for 7 years and before the war started they didn’t seem to have any long-term modernisation plans. They just killed contracts signed by the previous government and occasionally purchased US stuff (F-35 for example) at higher prices than other EU countries without tenders and tests and with basically no negotiations. To be honest, it feels like they are treating most of those purchases mainly like photo-op opportunities with everything else being secondary.
To keep things fair, the previous government also didn’t do much, it just didn’t break any deals and didn’t have a [conspiracy theorist who ordered a raid on nato installation as a defense minister](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/poland-raids-nato-center-in-warsaw/).
Will us Poles be a bit safer? Probably, but I wouldn’t go as far as being a second Turkey, not to mention that Europe has some actual nuclear powers…(and that even more safety will probably come from Russian losses in Ukraine)
regional power seems more accurate
I actually though Poland had a pretty strong army during the Cold War?
But I was a kid back then and Poland was right next door (Denmark), so that may have played a role.
In George Friedman‘s “The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century” (Doubleday), the author predicts that Poland along with Turkey, Japan and Mexico, will become new world powers by the end of this century. We won’t be worrying ourselves over Russia or China, because those countries will have experienced a breakdown of power, much like the first collapse of communism.
I kinda expected it to be onion, not some “we strive to be serious” site.
Lol… Even if you disregard the fact that the Polish army is lacking in a lot of areas the main issue is that you can’t become a superpower without your own nukes and nuclear subs to deliver them anywhere in the world. Nukes stationed there by a real superpower doesn’t count…
Poles are logical, patriotic, compassionate, and more Catholic than the Vatican. If you can’t trust them, who **can** you trust?
There’s only one military superpower: the US. Their military dwarfs everyone else’s. If you combine the Russian, Chinese, French, and German militaries, you’d still be far behind. In turns of capabilities.
They have 1.1K active jet fighters… Not available. Active! They also have the most advanced logistics over any other military and have been going to war overseas for decades.
Not to mention that all of their military is comprised of professionals and they have a ton of reserves.
Calling anything else a superpower is crazy.
Yeah ok buddy, so far it’s been only big announcement. Remind me in 10 years.
Just because Polish politicians say that they will order a lot of military equipment, does not mean that they will buy it. Or successfully reorganise army to use it. It’s just talking.
Source: I’m Polish.
Superpower LOL
More like bankrupt state as they absolutely aren’t able to afford even a part of all the plans they have announced. And they don’t have to, it’s all completely pointless. No NATO territory will ever be attacked, that’s what nukes do. Guarantee world peace in the actually developed world.
What are you all smoking? Right now, as of today….and for the next 5 to 6 years, 3 countries are the major military powers of EU.
1. France
2. Italy
3. Greece
Every body else should keep sleeping.
​
Now if Poland starts a 20 year long military reformation might become no2.
Yeah i can totally see them beating France/UK /s
Oh yeah if there’s one takeaway from the Russian invasion it’s that countries that project a lot of armaments “on paper” are capable in conducting modern warfare. /s
2039: Poland conquers Germany in 3 weeks
In a European context, Poland will have a large land force, that’s not in question, big numbers and all of it state of the art kit. Abrams SEPv3, K2 Black Panthers, K9s, HIMARS, Chunmoo, Apache Guardians etc.
This is inline though with Poland’s position in NATO. As the largest country on the Eastern Flank the armed forces should be weighted towards land forces, as there is no point having tanks stationed in Portugal and then driving them to Poland. Poland’s land forces will be very important in protecting the whole Eastern Flank and NATO in general, it’s important to stop any aggressor quite literally on the border and also to serve as a deterrent. When you’re staring down 500+ MLRS, 1300+ top of the line tanks and 800+ top of the line artillery pieces, well, you’ll think twice before trying it on.
The navy is more modest, but three new Arrowhead frigates at 7000 tonnes a piece is respectable for the Baltic and a limited coastline.
Airforce will be a mix of F-35s, late generation F-16s and perhaps some F-15EXs, it’s modern and but not particularly large in a European context.
Overall, it’s the right mix for where Poland sits in Europe.
We’ve been memeing so long about “Poland Stronk” that they actually became Stronk
I really don’t get how Poland plans to afford so many expensive weapons systems. Their GDP is much lower than the GDP of a tiny country like the Netherlands, yet they have ambitions to have an army bigger than France’s. The upkeep must be crippling to their economy in a few years…
I mean I know Poland isn’t going to have US-like military capabilitie and the headline is exaggerating, but people in here acting like Poland has the army the size of Bhutan is kind of odd to see, especially after recent purchases and budget expansion
XD
Polish circle-jerk incoming in 3… 2… 1… Liftoff!!!!!
I’m certain Poland will rise to be a major player on the Eastern flank, but in the short term the next *best army in Europe*, at least in terms of home-ground conventional warfare, is without doubt going to be Ukraine’s.
I understand Polands position given recent events, but their current official plans for Equipment-acquisition are, frankly put, completely ludicrous.
Like, serious doubts about the simple ability to properly be able to pay for the sustained upkeep of everything they are supposedly being aside, part of it is just completely unfeasible.
Like, they want to buy 500 HiMARS. Ok. Not only does not even the US itself have that many, one full Salvo from all of those would be 3000 GMLRS-Missiles. Only the US makes them, and they currently can produce about ~12000 *max* a year. So were the fuck is the Ammo for all of those supposed to come from?
(also I see your bullshit politico at the end there, still just BILD in a fancy coat)