Left Labour the other day too, but being very frank, I wouldn’t be keen on joining GPEW if I were a DemSoc on account of the truckloads of transphobia and nimbyism in there (that is arguably worse on some levels than in Labour).
A very odd choice by Matt ZC.
For someone involved in multiple losing campaigns Zarb-Cousin’s confidence that he should listened to is admirable.
What will Labour do without this man’s ability to consistently lose campaigns and stay out of government?
His warning that others will follow to the greens is made even more terrifying when you consider just how much he must understand the membership and electorate to have such a consistent record.
Won’t be surprised if Starmer still manages to lose the next election by repeating the arrogant mistake of previous centrist Labour leaders in assuming that he can afford to chronically ignore the left in their own political party, and still count on their votes. 2010 and 2015 both show this to be a failed strategy. He identified the winning strategy when he was running for the party leadership; to forge a middle path between Corbynism and Blairism, so it’s a shame he’s decided not to bother.
And I’m sure if he does lose the next election, his loyalists will pivot right to blaming the left for not supporting their political project in exchange for nothing, as if there was ever a ghost of a chance of them doing the same for us in 2017 or 2019. Like Hillary and her bloody “Bernie bros” all over again.
Let’s face it, this is where a lot of the hardcore Corbynites really belonged anyway. Their views didn’t align with Labour and a lot of people I knew always said they’d be voting Green if they thought they’d win.
Corbyn and Labour were a vehicle for the far-left to get into some position of power. They absolutely squandered it by pushing certain agendas that the British public were just not ready for. The second their means to that position of power was done, they abandoned Labour and the breakup has been fairly bitter (and, onesided).
Wow with this winner on their side, the might lose Brighton….
Another Corbyn post?
So soon! Oh me oh my! It seems the right wing Corbyn Cult needs it’s red meat for the day!
Can it just be given a rest already, the man is old news.
Maybe if you moved on from the boogeyman you could realise it’s 2022 and failed right wing ideologies are the flavour of the month.
When will the Left get that Corbyn is to the Left what Trump is to the right?
A frenzy of excitement, media coverage and success (to varying degrees) but ultimately toxic and damaging in the long term, and the sooner their supporters ditch them the better off they will be.
The irony of this sort of behaviour is it makes Starmer’s position of power in the Labour party stronger and easier to create the image of a united party.
Someone we’ve never heard of does something they’re entirely entitled to do.
I’m so tired of the 2 party system being Tory Vs Tory lite.
As a Brightonian the Greens here have ended up being nothing but Tories on Bikes.
Is a bridgehead for Suemas, Jacqui and the gang to go and try to take over?
I’m voting greens from now on.
not a chance is that treacherous clown, starmer, getting my vote.
We’ve just had 12 years of appallingly corrupt gvmt. I’m. not voting for another one.
Its just depressing reading people shit on Corbyn, amazing how short peoples memories are, I actually remember what the new labour years were like and it wasn’t a magical land of joy: the bedroom tax, PFI, foreign wars, ASBOs, authoritarian anti terror legislation and the highest prison population in Europe, zero hours contracts, rapidly shrinking trade union density etc.
But people are so desperate they’ll happily let the Labour party purge its left and ignore its unions as long as it gets rid of the Tories. You will hate Starmer, I give him 3 years of continuing austerity before you clock the reality. He wont deal with the basic issues the country has, his refusal to sign a pledge to build more council housing during the leadership election was the first obvious signal to me as to what he’s really about.
I feel very sorry for Zarb Cousins, similar stuff has been happening for a couple of years to others. I’ll stay a member but I have little faith in a future Starmer government to make my life better and I understand others who leave.
You absolutely don’t need to purge and shit on your own to win an election, Australian Labour and the US democrats demonstrate that. Its sad that the people running the party really just view people like me as nothing but campaign fodder.
More “but Corbyn!!” shite. Almost certainly seeded by the Tory party.
It’s like some lefties want the Tories to stay in charge.
I cut ties with Labour as soon as it became undeniable that the party right had intentionally satotaged their own election chances.
& it might happen again, Starmer is doing all in he can to disempower the party’s socialists but if there’s enough left they’re dumb enough to fuck the party one more time.
Incidentally if Corbyn had been enough of a leader he’d have buried his in party opponents (exactly as Starmer’s doing) but he’s far too trusting or genuinely believed the ‘broad chirch’ bullshit could ever work.
I hope the history books attribute these austerity & excess covid deaths at least partly to those that stopped labour’s election.
The party right, the media & the Tories are all complicit in the shame of their (so far) mini genocide.
It’s The Greens for me from now on, I initially started following them as a last resort but it turns out they’ve evolved into a very plausible option for the UK.
I’m seeing a lot more sense talked by their mps, the only others saying similar are labour’s more extreme mps & we all know it’s not what their boss wants.
So more promises of something they can’t do.
The greens rise in popularity helps, they seem to have doubled their council representation in the last few years.
I wish em luck, the UK needs some.
Can i just check.
Are people buying these because they know they can heat a single space quickly and turn it off.
Or do they hear gas prices are going up and up. Then think fuck it ill buy electric?
Because the electric is generated using gas. And im not sure if people realise this and are paying more or less the same or more (relative to how much of a home they want to heat)
Plus there’s the upfront cost to buy these. Tes some are like £30 but half decent ones are like £60+
Its a bit of a non-story, no? Looking beyond everyone’s obsession with Corbyn, anyone with any sort of association with Corbyn has no future in the Labour party under Kier Starmer. If you still want a career in politics, you pretty much have to move to another party.
>Matt Zarb-Cousin said democratic socialists were “no longer welcome” in the party and urged others to defect.
Here we go, try and lose Labour another election
Seems like a reasonable thing to do, on balance. He feels he cannot support the leadership, even though Starmer was elected by the party. He should go.
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Left Labour the other day too, but being very frank, I wouldn’t be keen on joining GPEW if I were a DemSoc on account of the truckloads of transphobia and nimbyism in there (that is arguably worse on some levels than in Labour).
A very odd choice by Matt ZC.
For someone involved in multiple losing campaigns Zarb-Cousin’s confidence that he should listened to is admirable.
What will Labour do without this man’s ability to consistently lose campaigns and stay out of government?
His warning that others will follow to the greens is made even more terrifying when you consider just how much he must understand the membership and electorate to have such a consistent record.
Won’t be surprised if Starmer still manages to lose the next election by repeating the arrogant mistake of previous centrist Labour leaders in assuming that he can afford to chronically ignore the left in their own political party, and still count on their votes. 2010 and 2015 both show this to be a failed strategy. He identified the winning strategy when he was running for the party leadership; to forge a middle path between Corbynism and Blairism, so it’s a shame he’s decided not to bother.
And I’m sure if he does lose the next election, his loyalists will pivot right to blaming the left for not supporting their political project in exchange for nothing, as if there was ever a ghost of a chance of them doing the same for us in 2017 or 2019. Like Hillary and her bloody “Bernie bros” all over again.
Let’s face it, this is where a lot of the hardcore Corbynites really belonged anyway. Their views didn’t align with Labour and a lot of people I knew always said they’d be voting Green if they thought they’d win.
Corbyn and Labour were a vehicle for the far-left to get into some position of power. They absolutely squandered it by pushing certain agendas that the British public were just not ready for. The second their means to that position of power was done, they abandoned Labour and the breakup has been fairly bitter (and, onesided).
Wow with this winner on their side, the might lose Brighton….
Another Corbyn post?
So soon! Oh me oh my! It seems the right wing Corbyn Cult needs it’s red meat for the day!
Can it just be given a rest already, the man is old news.
Maybe if you moved on from the boogeyman you could realise it’s 2022 and failed right wing ideologies are the flavour of the month.
When will the Left get that Corbyn is to the Left what Trump is to the right?
A frenzy of excitement, media coverage and success (to varying degrees) but ultimately toxic and damaging in the long term, and the sooner their supporters ditch them the better off they will be.
The irony of this sort of behaviour is it makes Starmer’s position of power in the Labour party stronger and easier to create the image of a united party.
Someone we’ve never heard of does something they’re entirely entitled to do.
I’m so tired of the 2 party system being Tory Vs Tory lite.
As a Brightonian the Greens here have ended up being nothing but Tories on Bikes.
Is a bridgehead for Suemas, Jacqui and the gang to go and try to take over?
I’m voting greens from now on.
not a chance is that treacherous clown, starmer, getting my vote.
We’ve just had 12 years of appallingly corrupt gvmt. I’m. not voting for another one.
Its just depressing reading people shit on Corbyn, amazing how short peoples memories are, I actually remember what the new labour years were like and it wasn’t a magical land of joy: the bedroom tax, PFI, foreign wars, ASBOs, authoritarian anti terror legislation and the highest prison population in Europe, zero hours contracts, rapidly shrinking trade union density etc.
But people are so desperate they’ll happily let the Labour party purge its left and ignore its unions as long as it gets rid of the Tories. You will hate Starmer, I give him 3 years of continuing austerity before you clock the reality. He wont deal with the basic issues the country has, his refusal to sign a pledge to build more council housing during the leadership election was the first obvious signal to me as to what he’s really about.
I feel very sorry for Zarb Cousins, similar stuff has been happening for a couple of years to others. I’ll stay a member but I have little faith in a future Starmer government to make my life better and I understand others who leave.
You absolutely don’t need to purge and shit on your own to win an election, Australian Labour and the US democrats demonstrate that. Its sad that the people running the party really just view people like me as nothing but campaign fodder.
More “but Corbyn!!” shite. Almost certainly seeded by the Tory party.
It’s like some lefties want the Tories to stay in charge.
I cut ties with Labour as soon as it became undeniable that the party right had intentionally satotaged their own election chances.
& it might happen again, Starmer is doing all in he can to disempower the party’s socialists but if there’s enough left they’re dumb enough to fuck the party one more time.
Incidentally if Corbyn had been enough of a leader he’d have buried his in party opponents (exactly as Starmer’s doing) but he’s far too trusting or genuinely believed the ‘broad chirch’ bullshit could ever work.
I hope the history books attribute these austerity & excess covid deaths at least partly to those that stopped labour’s election.
The party right, the media & the Tories are all complicit in the shame of their (so far) mini genocide.
It’s The Greens for me from now on, I initially started following them as a last resort but it turns out they’ve evolved into a very plausible option for the UK.
I’m seeing a lot more sense talked by their mps, the only others saying similar are labour’s more extreme mps & we all know it’s not what their boss wants.
So more promises of something they can’t do.
The greens rise in popularity helps, they seem to have doubled their council representation in the last few years.
I wish em luck, the UK needs some.
Can i just check.
Are people buying these because they know they can heat a single space quickly and turn it off.
Or do they hear gas prices are going up and up. Then think fuck it ill buy electric?
Because the electric is generated using gas. And im not sure if people realise this and are paying more or less the same or more (relative to how much of a home they want to heat)
Plus there’s the upfront cost to buy these. Tes some are like £30 but half decent ones are like £60+
Its a bit of a non-story, no? Looking beyond everyone’s obsession with Corbyn, anyone with any sort of association with Corbyn has no future in the Labour party under Kier Starmer. If you still want a career in politics, you pretty much have to move to another party.
>Matt Zarb-Cousin said democratic socialists were “no longer welcome” in the party and urged others to defect.
Here we go, try and lose Labour another election
Seems like a reasonable thing to do, on balance. He feels he cannot support the leadership, even though Starmer was elected by the party. He should go.