Before this thread turns into another 2000 comment repetition of the last Begum thread, maybe lets look at things from a slightly different angle.
We’ve heard a million comments about poor lil’ Shamima, groomed into a complete loss of conscience, agency or will into a life of sexual abuse. A poor innocent victim of a sophisticated grooming operation.
We’ve seen a million retorts about how she’s a vicious, psycho obsessed with a death cult, who remains a danger to Britain.
Perhaps we should take a little step back from these narratives, and remember that she’s currently a prisoner in a Kurdish controlled region of Syria, and that perhaps the people who have her imprisoned would like to see justice done for the crimes against humanity that ISIS committed in the region.
Every time someone says ‘She needs to be brought back to Britain’ I want to scream.
Britons who commit crimes abroad do not have a divine right to return home. You’ll find plenty of Brits ‘banged up abroad’ around the world.
Whatever desire we may have to see her in a UK facility does not override the fact that she must answer for the crimes she committed as an ISIS member, in Syria.
It’s sickening that people who play the ‘decency, empathy, respect’ line appear to have no respect for the first hand victims of ISIS and their right to serve justice. It reeks of xenophobia and British exceptionalism.
The one thing that can be said about ISIS is that they never lied to people. They produced full colour HD videos showing that they murdered people.
>Sir James Eadie KC, on behalf of the government, said: “You could well have been radicalised and manipulated at an age when you are vulnerable… but nevertheless however unfortunate it might be you are now a risk.
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>”You can still be a risk of setting off a bomb in London or in Manchester… even if you have been trafficked at a young age.”
Based, sadly.
I bring up the case of the 13 year old Neo Nazi occasionally because it’s an example of where people may agree that, even if manipulation occurred, they can still be a threat to national security. And depending on how far you go back, I suspect you could make the argument that, for example, an 18 year old meathead who punches and kills your partner on a night out was radicalised by a poor upbringing etc.
Very unfortunate what people go through, but even when it is entirely NOT their fault that they became radicalised it doesn’t mean that they aren’t a threat.
For me she is playing the groomed card because she knows going to jail where she is now will be horrid and what prisons should be like here.
As for her citizenship issue I think that she should have that but she should not be allowed to enter the country or leave her current country. End of the day she is due to face trial for her crimes in a foreign country. Just like you and me, the UK Government would not step in until you receive your verdict. Even then it’s a slim chance.
She knew exactly what she were doing and at that time any teenager knew what ISIS were and what they did. As soon as this boyfriend started to bring up ISIS the relationship should have ended regardless if she loved him. Any teenager at that time knew going to Syria is not a good idea.
She knew exactly what she were doing when she took her sisters passport and took money. Even told friends that she were going. These are all red flags to show she were not forced to leave the country. There is also at any point she could have alerted the anyone to what is going on.
Her own family were just as bad and equally to blame.
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Don’t bring up she’s not going to have a fair trial over there. That’s not our fault. Just like if you were to commit the same crime you’d get the same trial. You know how you will be treated in countries like that if you break the law, so don’t break the law.
& she’s not welcome ever again on British soul the little terrorist
15 years old is more than old enough to realise joining a widely known terror group is wrong.
There are two issues at play here
1) Does she deserve to have a UK passport
2) Does she deserve to go to prison wherever she broke the law.
I vote yes to both. Let’s hope it’s a very long jail sentence and then point 1 is irrelevant.
Few points I made on the last thread.
Kids younger than her have been given long sentences and held accountable for murder.
Because of her parent’s Bangladeshi citizenship, she technically hasn’t been made stateless.
The Supreme Court of the UK held up the government’s decision. No matter what you personally think should happen, that is the highest court and they have made their ruling. She is entitled to appeal.
ISIS made it very clear what they were doing in Syria. She could have made the decision not to go.
Young men from all over the world travelled there, they were all legitimate targets of coalition airstrikes and would be sentenced under the Syrian/Kurdish justice system if caught.
She is a threat to the UK public and other prisoners. Imagine the outrage if we brought her back and she committed an attack.
She is in the second most dangerous country in the world right now. Not exactly easy to bring her home – at the expense of the British taxpayer, of course.
Went out seeing videos of torture and murder
Was part of the morality police and reportedly help sew bomb jackets into suicide bombers
When interviewed, said she did not regret her actions, intimated the Manchester bombings were justified.
Suddenly gets a PR coach, dresses like she’s going to Starbucks, and people are falling over themselves with the ‘rehabilitation’ card.
Lol. Weak. Let the Syrians and Kurds have their justice
Well its a little tricky to navigate to the middle east eyes closed
Would we even be discussing this is she wasn’t a woman?
Why the fuck does this stupid women keep making headlines? Who the fuck cares. She joined Isis knowly. She can’t come back, end of.
Leave her where she is we don’t want her back , let her rot there .
Saw an article about her on facebook yesterday and was disgusted with the amount of people who had sympathy for her.
can i join ISIS then just say sorry and get sympathy?
i find it hard to believe anyone with working brain cells can be ‘groomed’ by ISIS when they never tried to hide what they’re about and posted beheadings regularly.
I remember this girl.
I’m not a brit, so my opinion might no matter much. Dunno why this on my feed even. But if you guys are soft on this issue, it will only mean in the future that younglings like this Shamima that go “adventuring” can do whatever they want because they’ll always have a fallback position ready to take them back in. Thats a bad precedent, a big can of worms. Its clear she now has a PR team around her coaching her on what to say. But do remember what were her true feelings and ideas even once ISIS was defeated. Thats the true Shamima.
Jeez, if you take her in do at least lock her up for life.
Hopefully this sub will finally realise that it’s best to leave Begum in the hell she volunteered for.
Who’s paying those all those beauty treatments, hair cuts, possibly a bit of surgery too?
She’s just like the Russians, thought she’d have a whale of a time and now the tables have turned doesn’t like it one bit.
The interviews where she says she doesn’t regret joining aren’t going to do her many favours
Oh, was she physically made to check in at the desk for the flight leaving the U.K. then physically marched onto the aircraft. Radicalised probably, she left under her own free will
She’s been radicalised, which makes her a threat.
She should rot where she is and allow Syria to have their justice. She shouldn’t be welcomed back on to British soil. She has lost that privilege.
Hope she rots in prison over there never to return
At the age of 15, in year 10 in secondary school – I knew it was wrong to join terrorist organisations that behead people – idk about you.
This wasn’t a mistake. You know right from wrong at that age.
Groomed to the point that teenage girls were given instruction, funding and (Canadian) guidance to join a cult.
At what age did Shamima Begun join IS with eyes open?
Is it possible she’s mentally deficient slightly? She doesn’t quite come across as able minded when I see her – almost makes me feel sorry for her
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Before this thread turns into another 2000 comment repetition of the last Begum thread, maybe lets look at things from a slightly different angle.
We’ve heard a million comments about poor lil’ Shamima, groomed into a complete loss of conscience, agency or will into a life of sexual abuse. A poor innocent victim of a sophisticated grooming operation.
We’ve seen a million retorts about how she’s a vicious, psycho obsessed with a death cult, who remains a danger to Britain.
Perhaps we should take a little step back from these narratives, and remember that she’s currently a prisoner in a Kurdish controlled region of Syria, and that perhaps the people who have her imprisoned would like to see justice done for the crimes against humanity that ISIS committed in the region.
Every time someone says ‘She needs to be brought back to Britain’ I want to scream.
Britons who commit crimes abroad do not have a divine right to return home. You’ll find plenty of Brits ‘banged up abroad’ around the world.
Whatever desire we may have to see her in a UK facility does not override the fact that she must answer for the crimes she committed as an ISIS member, in Syria.
It’s sickening that people who play the ‘decency, empathy, respect’ line appear to have no respect for the first hand victims of ISIS and their right to serve justice. It reeks of xenophobia and British exceptionalism.
The one thing that can be said about ISIS is that they never lied to people. They produced full colour HD videos showing that they murdered people.
>Sir James Eadie KC, on behalf of the government, said: “You could well have been radicalised and manipulated at an age when you are vulnerable… but nevertheless however unfortunate it might be you are now a risk.
>
>”You can still be a risk of setting off a bomb in London or in Manchester… even if you have been trafficked at a young age.”
Based, sadly.
I bring up the case of the 13 year old Neo Nazi occasionally because it’s an example of where people may agree that, even if manipulation occurred, they can still be a threat to national security. And depending on how far you go back, I suspect you could make the argument that, for example, an 18 year old meathead who punches and kills your partner on a night out was radicalised by a poor upbringing etc.
Very unfortunate what people go through, but even when it is entirely NOT their fault that they became radicalised it doesn’t mean that they aren’t a threat.
For me she is playing the groomed card because she knows going to jail where she is now will be horrid and what prisons should be like here.
As for her citizenship issue I think that she should have that but she should not be allowed to enter the country or leave her current country. End of the day she is due to face trial for her crimes in a foreign country. Just like you and me, the UK Government would not step in until you receive your verdict. Even then it’s a slim chance.
She knew exactly what she were doing and at that time any teenager knew what ISIS were and what they did. As soon as this boyfriend started to bring up ISIS the relationship should have ended regardless if she loved him. Any teenager at that time knew going to Syria is not a good idea.
She knew exactly what she were doing when she took her sisters passport and took money. Even told friends that she were going. These are all red flags to show she were not forced to leave the country. There is also at any point she could have alerted the anyone to what is going on.
Her own family were just as bad and equally to blame.
​
**Edit**
Don’t bring up she’s not going to have a fair trial over there. That’s not our fault. Just like if you were to commit the same crime you’d get the same trial. You know how you will be treated in countries like that if you break the law, so don’t break the law.
& she’s not welcome ever again on British soul the little terrorist
15 years old is more than old enough to realise joining a widely known terror group is wrong.
There are two issues at play here
1) Does she deserve to have a UK passport
2) Does she deserve to go to prison wherever she broke the law.
I vote yes to both. Let’s hope it’s a very long jail sentence and then point 1 is irrelevant.
Few points I made on the last thread.
Kids younger than her have been given long sentences and held accountable for murder.
Because of her parent’s Bangladeshi citizenship, she technically hasn’t been made stateless.
The Supreme Court of the UK held up the government’s decision. No matter what you personally think should happen, that is the highest court and they have made their ruling. She is entitled to appeal.
ISIS made it very clear what they were doing in Syria. She could have made the decision not to go.
Young men from all over the world travelled there, they were all legitimate targets of coalition airstrikes and would be sentenced under the Syrian/Kurdish justice system if caught.
She is a threat to the UK public and other prisoners. Imagine the outrage if we brought her back and she committed an attack.
She is in the second most dangerous country in the world right now. Not exactly easy to bring her home – at the expense of the British taxpayer, of course.
Went out seeing videos of torture and murder
Was part of the morality police and reportedly help sew bomb jackets into suicide bombers
When interviewed, said she did not regret her actions, intimated the Manchester bombings were justified.
Suddenly gets a PR coach, dresses like she’s going to Starbucks, and people are falling over themselves with the ‘rehabilitation’ card.
Lol. Weak. Let the Syrians and Kurds have their justice
Well its a little tricky to navigate to the middle east eyes closed
Would we even be discussing this is she wasn’t a woman?
Why the fuck does this stupid women keep making headlines? Who the fuck cares. She joined Isis knowly. She can’t come back, end of.
Leave her where she is we don’t want her back , let her rot there .
Saw an article about her on facebook yesterday and was disgusted with the amount of people who had sympathy for her.
can i join ISIS then just say sorry and get sympathy?
i find it hard to believe anyone with working brain cells can be ‘groomed’ by ISIS when they never tried to hide what they’re about and posted beheadings regularly.
I remember this girl.
I’m not a brit, so my opinion might no matter much. Dunno why this on my feed even. But if you guys are soft on this issue, it will only mean in the future that younglings like this Shamima that go “adventuring” can do whatever they want because they’ll always have a fallback position ready to take them back in. Thats a bad precedent, a big can of worms. Its clear she now has a PR team around her coaching her on what to say. But do remember what were her true feelings and ideas even once ISIS was defeated. Thats the true Shamima.
Jeez, if you take her in do at least lock her up for life.
Hopefully this sub will finally realise that it’s best to leave Begum in the hell she volunteered for.
Who’s paying those all those beauty treatments, hair cuts, possibly a bit of surgery too?
She’s just like the Russians, thought she’d have a whale of a time and now the tables have turned doesn’t like it one bit.
The interviews where she says she doesn’t regret joining aren’t going to do her many favours
Oh, was she physically made to check in at the desk for the flight leaving the U.K. then physically marched onto the aircraft. Radicalised probably, she left under her own free will
She’s been radicalised, which makes her a threat.
She should rot where she is and allow Syria to have their justice. She shouldn’t be welcomed back on to British soil. She has lost that privilege.
Hope she rots in prison over there never to return
At the age of 15, in year 10 in secondary school – I knew it was wrong to join terrorist organisations that behead people – idk about you.
This wasn’t a mistake. You know right from wrong at that age.
Groomed to the point that teenage girls were given instruction, funding and (Canadian) guidance to join a cult.
At what age did Shamima Begun join IS with eyes open?
Is it possible she’s mentally deficient slightly? She doesn’t quite come across as able minded when I see her – almost makes me feel sorry for her