Yeah let’s cut down on young, wealthy, educated people coming here and paying inflated fees for our universities, whilst spending all their money on highly taxed products. Such a sensible idea.
GO FOR IT you absolute so and so…
WHO PAYS the extortionate “international fees”?
Will you compensate unis like you compensated lost EU funding?
It’s like everything they do is wrong. This is such a stupid idea.
Not objecting so much to making it more difficult to bring dependents over, but limiting the number of international students without increasing the funding given to universities is going to cripple the system.
It’s only “functional” at the moment due to the high amount of international students here. You start cutting their numbers, the universities will cut *even more* courses, slash staff pay more, cut their pensions more, offer few hours etc. That’s not even accounting for the wider impact on the local economies.
And this has really all risen about because international student numbers have (obviously) risen because we are now post-pandemic and remote learning is no longer the norm. It’s a typical example of the knee-jerk response we’ve come to adore when any kind of immigrant comes here.
Brilliant plan. That’s going to do wonders for the university finance black hole.
/s
Ffs surely it’s a good thing for us to attract the best and brightest minds from around the world and hope they stay and work here earning money and contributing with large tax bills.
What about limiting how many fresh out of college kids that your father in laws imports under highly skilled category?
They made plenty of local economies exist almost entirely on wealthy foreign students (see the slew of student housing being built up and plonked in every regional city), and on top of keeping plenty of universities themselves afloat through increased fees and packing courses with Chinese students.
I get they want to look like they’re being Tough On Immigration but this one is a house of cards they’ll push over with huge economic repercussions.
Honestly, as a recent graduate I agree with this. Our course went from about 50 people year one, to about 450 people in year two (Most our International students joined our program on second year, doing their first in a partner uni).
That year was ridiculously hard compared to the rest of them simply due to the lack of availability from lecturers, and the difference in the quality of education for that year went down too.
It’s not the students fault, obviously, but they are immediate cash cows to the university, and because they pay such exorbidant fees compared to domestic students, the places you have at university are harder to get into and less available to home students.
This is one of the prime reasons you’ve seen grade boundaries required for even the most jarg courses shoot to silly high levels. It is pinching the pockets of unfortunate international students who get ripped off, and ripping a chance for further education from domestic students (And thus their future higher earnings in tax presumpatively) for a quick fast buck.
There’s no easy to fixing it, and most time it gets mentioned it becomes a huge blame game. But the fact universities rely so much on the funding from this is worrying. It directly damages the education prospects of domestic students, but it’s so widespread that financially the universities would take a freaking **huge** hit to any changes made.
Sucky situation all around.
> The prime minister’s official spokesman insisted Mr Sunak was “fully committed” to bringing overall immigration levels down and blamed “unprecedented and unique circumstances” for the record high.
So I am not saying this is right or wrong. But could Mr Sunak first explain why the numbers need to be lower? Because it’s one thing when we discuss the subject here and not necessarily make much sense, but a PM, I would hope, is making measured, calculated decisions?
… Rishi Sunak makes final attempt to bankrupt all Universities in Britain.
Congratulations, Tories! “Party of growth and fiscal responsibility” fucking our economy yet again
Tail wagging the dog I guess. Record immigration numbers makes the Tories look bad for a few moments to their goldfish-brained supporters and more seriously challenge the “take control” element of the Brexit headbangers like the ERG. Need to placate some key voter groups so quick lets knee-jerk a policy that will bring the immigration rate down a bit without spending a moment about the impacts, because obviously no anti-immigration-motivated voter actually gives a fuck or a second of thought to the consequences either.
I just hope in my lifetime I get to see a Britain where the entire fucking social and political narrative isn’t so completely and utterly behold to “Immigration BAD” school of political thought, its driving this country into the ground over basically nothing.
Bringing dependants over to the uk is already difficult but making it harder for students actually makes no sense.
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Yeah let’s cut down on young, wealthy, educated people coming here and paying inflated fees for our universities, whilst spending all their money on highly taxed products. Such a sensible idea.
GO FOR IT you absolute so and so…
WHO PAYS the extortionate “international fees”?
Will you compensate unis like you compensated lost EU funding?
It’s like everything they do is wrong. This is such a stupid idea.
Not objecting so much to making it more difficult to bring dependents over, but limiting the number of international students without increasing the funding given to universities is going to cripple the system.
It’s only “functional” at the moment due to the high amount of international students here. You start cutting their numbers, the universities will cut *even more* courses, slash staff pay more, cut their pensions more, offer few hours etc. That’s not even accounting for the wider impact on the local economies.
And this has really all risen about because international student numbers have (obviously) risen because we are now post-pandemic and remote learning is no longer the norm. It’s a typical example of the knee-jerk response we’ve come to adore when any kind of immigrant comes here.
Brilliant plan. That’s going to do wonders for the university finance black hole.
/s
Ffs surely it’s a good thing for us to attract the best and brightest minds from around the world and hope they stay and work here earning money and contributing with large tax bills.
What about limiting how many fresh out of college kids that your father in laws imports under highly skilled category?
They made plenty of local economies exist almost entirely on wealthy foreign students (see the slew of student housing being built up and plonked in every regional city), and on top of keeping plenty of universities themselves afloat through increased fees and packing courses with Chinese students.
I get they want to look like they’re being Tough On Immigration but this one is a house of cards they’ll push over with huge economic repercussions.
Honestly, as a recent graduate I agree with this. Our course went from about 50 people year one, to about 450 people in year two (Most our International students joined our program on second year, doing their first in a partner uni).
That year was ridiculously hard compared to the rest of them simply due to the lack of availability from lecturers, and the difference in the quality of education for that year went down too.
It’s not the students fault, obviously, but they are immediate cash cows to the university, and because they pay such exorbidant fees compared to domestic students, the places you have at university are harder to get into and less available to home students.
This is one of the prime reasons you’ve seen grade boundaries required for even the most jarg courses shoot to silly high levels. It is pinching the pockets of unfortunate international students who get ripped off, and ripping a chance for further education from domestic students (And thus their future higher earnings in tax presumpatively) for a quick fast buck.
There’s no easy to fixing it, and most time it gets mentioned it becomes a huge blame game. But the fact universities rely so much on the funding from this is worrying. It directly damages the education prospects of domestic students, but it’s so widespread that financially the universities would take a freaking **huge** hit to any changes made.
Sucky situation all around.
> The prime minister’s official spokesman insisted Mr Sunak was “fully committed” to bringing overall immigration levels down and blamed “unprecedented and unique circumstances” for the record high.
So I am not saying this is right or wrong. But could Mr Sunak first explain why the numbers need to be lower? Because it’s one thing when we discuss the subject here and not necessarily make much sense, but a PM, I would hope, is making measured, calculated decisions?
… Rishi Sunak makes final attempt to bankrupt all Universities in Britain.
Congratulations, Tories! “Party of growth and fiscal responsibility” fucking our economy yet again
Tail wagging the dog I guess. Record immigration numbers makes the Tories look bad for a few moments to their goldfish-brained supporters and more seriously challenge the “take control” element of the Brexit headbangers like the ERG. Need to placate some key voter groups so quick lets knee-jerk a policy that will bring the immigration rate down a bit without spending a moment about the impacts, because obviously no anti-immigration-motivated voter actually gives a fuck or a second of thought to the consequences either.
I just hope in my lifetime I get to see a Britain where the entire fucking social and political narrative isn’t so completely and utterly behold to “Immigration BAD” school of political thought, its driving this country into the ground over basically nothing.
Bringing dependants over to the uk is already difficult but making it harder for students actually makes no sense.