Evictions of all troublemakers immediately(and dont organise alternative accomodation, its their problem) and give their houses to people on the council list with no criminal comvictions
We need to find the money to saturate these estates with Guards, enforce the law and protect people. We’ve invested a fortune in schools, sports clubs, swimming pools etc, these are all there. Decent people should not be afraid to leave their houses because of the actions of a minority.
Any insight as to why it’s so bad?
Cherry Orchard is a perfect example of generational scumbags just being scumbags no matter what facilities and services you provide for them.
There’s community centres, equestrian centres, sports clubs, supermarkets, Liffey Valley and Park West providing jobs excellent transport links to town etc. There’s plenty to do that doesn’t involve being a scrote.
Nothing will stop these scum being scum unless the parents are penalised heavily and evicted from the estate.
Sad truth is that the place is a shithole because the people there make it a shithole.
I went to school there for my leaving cert 25 years ago.
If you weren’t walking in a group you were at risk of being attacked in some form, in broad day light.
Someone from Cherry Orchard here. Some observances:
– Firstly the headline is a bit of an attention grabber. The resident is saying no one wants to live in Croftwood, not in Ballyfermot in general.
– The photograph of Councillor De Nortuin is quite unfortunate, taken in Croftwood outside a scorched house with a stormy sky. Croftwood has some absolutely beautiful houses in it, with law abiding Dubs doing well for themselves and putting their money into their homes. While it could do with a tidy up and a more regular Garda beat, it’s not a bad place to live. Anywhere looks depressing on a grey day.
– The answer isn’t going to be things like “more facilities” (we’re full to the brim with facilities for young people), it’s getting tough on cocaine, more Gardaí and harsher sentences. We don’t want the criminals here. Build Thornton Hall and lock them up.
– Ballyfermot is a vast, vast place. Don’t let these stories put you off renting, buying and putting down roots here, particularly in the “lower” end of Ballyfermot which is a mature and established 1940s/50s part of the city. Incredible primary schools, a really quality girls secondary school, the best college of further education in the country and a main street bustling with commerce at least 6 days a week. 7km from the city centre with the Phoenix Park and the War Memorial Gardens pretty much on your doorstep.
Important to note this area was built in the 1950s in the main. Many people with jobs, motivation and just hard work have left the area they grew up in, their parents have moved on or passed. They appreciated the state housing, paid rent, got on their feet and left.
Many of those left now are the latest generation of people who wont leave or cant leave because of long term unemployment, substance abuse, Criminal record etc etc so your getting an area thats deteriorated instead of improved with an ever growing concentration of problems.
The row of shops where those guards were assaulted is very run down now, the alleged perpetrators were all drinking on a Sunday night and well beyond the ages of stupidity.
What it needs is a greater social mix through some of the large open places being developed and new people moving in, sanctions for trouble makers and direct support to kids growing up there like school meals, homework clubs etc they they can access independently of parents.
I thought it was all the refugees’s fault?
Where are the East Wall protestors?
Shite lads. Now I’m homesick. My bedroom had the best front row view of both the Dublin Mountains in the morning and the robbed cars at night. Sweet home Ballyfermot!
Nobody wants to live there because of
The scum bag problem so what’s the solution.
The 50yr old guy from the other day what chance has his kids got to not follow in his footsteps if things are left the way the are, what chance do any of them have.
It saddens my that such a great area has produced some of the most hideous creatures. Should be ashamed of themselves bringing the name down like this. It’s nothing to be proud of lads. Smelly needles, scaggy junkies and drugs all over it’s reeks of insecurity and gang behaviour is such a cliche, like grow a set balls and be a strong man not a stupid little man child who refuses to be an example to anything but the rodents. It’s terrible the account of the young girl having to witness this and god knows what else. The thing is ppl become desensitised to it and except it as normal, they have no choice really as one lady said “seen as scum” that’s awful and if that was my nanny who lived in cherry orchard I would be disgusted. The first step is to crack down on the crime, no point in doing up houses, doesn’t sound like anybody wants to live in them.
A flower grows for its environment, please help this community to regain its safety.
Sorry for the rant just had to get that out of me. Cop on lads it’s about time.
It’s just a weirdly hostile area. I used to do home appliance deliveries (Fridges, cookers, etc) and you would get threatened for parking on their curbs, people would have a big head on them because you’re knocking at their door..To deliver something they ordered..
Some lovely people also, obviously. A few bad apples ruins the whole bunch
The article mentions a house no one wants to live in on croftwood drive. Daft has a house on Croftwood Green for €260,000 and a house on Croftwood Park for €230,000. Quarter of a million Euros on an nation wide average of €44,000 a year and your neighbors might just light your car on fire. Couldnt imagine why no one wants to live there.
Just bought a house in ballyfermot, from Palmerstown meself but grew up hanging around Ballyfermot. Honestly, my neighbours are so lovely. There’s a real sense of community. And as odd as it sounds. It just depends on the road really. Some are grand and quiet. Mines mostly filled with older people who have been here years. The people causing trouble are mostly young kids, no respect for anybody. But they didn’t lick it off a stone.
Maybe if we stopped paying the indolent to have kids we might get somewhere.
The actual working class and even middle class can barely afford to have children but the feckless keep popping them out as it actually makes financial sense to do it. And most of them are simple in the head. Their kids won’t be the brightest either, let’s be honest.
Imagine deciding to ‘start a family’ when you have no leaving cert, no job, a few convictions, IQ of fuck all, no hope. But sure they’re entitled to a home and more ‘wages’ when Jayden and Jordan are born.
Then no law and order to control the shits when they grow up. What a mess.
Hit the parent’s dole money. If their kids are gonna be scrotes, force them to take responsibility for them by hitting them in the pocket.
This is just mirroring Ballymun day by day for me with the representatives, community meetings, drug task forces etc. It does get better, but it took the better part of 20 years in Ballymun. It’s a different place now and not perfect, but hopefully they can get some peace. Generational scumbags, I feel for the community having grown up in Ballymun.
This country needs two things.
1. Mandatory sentences
2. More prisons
I don’t think there’s any excuse for it anymore.
Look at places like Finglas, Ballymun on the north side. Not havens by any stretch but a world away from where they were 20, 30 years ago. The establishment of things such as Youth Centres, Fitness Centres, Citizens Information, accessible education, schemes such as DNWAP allow access to university, resources such as laptops etc, and a general clean of the areas have left less of an excuse to be a scrote.
Now, there’s certainly a decent amount of shites and their parents do fuck all, but they’re far from the dangerous, drug pushing, intimidating areas they once were.
Shame Ballyfermot hasn’t moved in that direction.
I would happily take a house there. I rent and will never own my own home.
Nobody wants to live where scummers thrive, color me shocked. I wonder would a new playground/pool/insert x here save the area.
Like granted, working class areas up dont get these but maybe that will solve the scummers wanting to be scummers
I went to the college there many years ago and I loved how friendly and welcome shop owners made me feel. Never had any issues going there every day on a bike. I bet it’s only a small few arseholes.
I see some things happen in Ireland that make me despair of there being a genuine solution. It feels like our social welfare system incentivises people who are not financially, emotionally or psychologically equipped to have multiple kids. People with jobs and mortgages/rent have to consider if they can afford them and give the attention and support needed, before deciding if/how many kids to have.
Then those kids grow up to be the same or worse. I saw a man pushing a toddler in a pushchair in the Eamonn ceannt park, smoking a joint, with the toddler swigging out of a bottle of full sugar coke. I have seen parents picnic in there, with a circle of rubbish from fast food and shite all around them, watching their kids just throw it. I actually picked up rubbish that a kid threw in the park yesterday, with the mother looking on.
I was on a jury last week of a guy that did absolutely reprehensible things and his mother covered up for him. He has been in and out of prison, as have his siblings. It’s really sad, but how do you change this when there is no sense of right or wrong? When their own parents tell them they will protect them from consequences, even for the most horrendous of violent crimes?
I would have thought that area is more Cherry Orchard but regardless. My parents bought a house in Ballyfermot near the college in the 1980s and I lived mid 80s and early 90s til we moved slightly closer to school/work, which was relatively not too far away, Dublin 12. While there a few issues (somebody attempted to nick the car, joyriding and so on), the immediate neighbours were lovely ordinary working class people. Even now I still miss that house sometimes, though I understand why we moved onwards, the kid in me loved it. From the dormer in the roof you could see right over the whole city, Phoenix Park, Dublin bay and mountains.
Moved to Canada in 2011 and having lived in Toronto and Dublin I can say that a huge part of it is social investment but also consequences for your actions. Over here they come down hard on you for messing around or causing trouble. There is absolute respect for law enforcement here because they will take you down so fucking hard. In Ireland, there is no respect for the guards.
Would rather be in Ukraine fighting the Russians than living in that shit heap. The ‘few bad apples’ crap doesn’t apply here.
Unfortunately I agree, Croftwood needs to be bulldozed. It is a hole!
That house behind her in the picture, they literally gutted it. Took out all the wiring and plumbing. Nothing left in it.
I hate even driving through that part and I live just down from it. Opposite side of the road at the roundabout they demolished a load of house (known at the time as drug houses)
The whole place is horrid.
All the local counsellors are all talk…never follow through on anything. Or lie
Worked and lived there for years, there are really bad areas but other areas are just fine. Fine to the point that if I didn’t check the news I wouldn’t know how bad it was. Also one of the most community minded places I have lived – the majority of people are amazing, open helpful folk I have ever met.
Everyone is talking about Gardai but not one mention about Tusla or lack of mental health supports in the country.
I live in a council estate that was 80% privately owned by the 2000’s. Free bit of land and the council literally squeezes 40 social houses in on a tiny bit of land. We were all dreading it but turns out every single person living in these new houses are lovely people. We had one family that caused ructions, kids were abusive and wild. I notified the council and community Garda, they got tusla involved and now the kids/parents have settled and have blended in well in the area. This is proof that if Tusla was actually able to do their job they could tackle some of the issues these kids are facing before they become insufferable Scrotes.
We need more money going into Tusla for early intervention and also the biggest problem for older (teen+) mental health. There’s higher rates of suicide in lower socioeconomic areas. If we can fund Tusla, gardai and mental health services we’d see a huge improvement.
My cousin recently tried to access mental health services funded by the HSE no counselling but tried to force anti depressants instead. The whole system just needs an overhaul, less bureaucracy more action.
I lived on rossmore road twenty years ago and it was a dangerous kip back then, it was also a shithole when my aul lad grew up there fifty years ago. Had a moped and a car nicked on me within two months of each other. Car was burnt out across the road on the californian hills and the moped was never found. The garda called me about a year after the moped got nicked and asked me if I ever found it? I said I thought you’s were supposed to be looking for it ye fuckin’ sap. So obviously the garda have not been too bothered about crime in ballyer for a long time. I was surprised to hear about the two cops getting a hiding recently, more chance if winning the lotto than seeing one of those culchies getting out of their car up there.
Even Roy the cartoon boy moved out after two seasons
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Evictions of all troublemakers immediately(and dont organise alternative accomodation, its their problem) and give their houses to people on the council list with no criminal comvictions
We need to find the money to saturate these estates with Guards, enforce the law and protect people. We’ve invested a fortune in schools, sports clubs, swimming pools etc, these are all there. Decent people should not be afraid to leave their houses because of the actions of a minority.
Any insight as to why it’s so bad?
Cherry Orchard is a perfect example of generational scumbags just being scumbags no matter what facilities and services you provide for them.
There’s community centres, equestrian centres, sports clubs, supermarkets, Liffey Valley and Park West providing jobs excellent transport links to town etc. There’s plenty to do that doesn’t involve being a scrote.
Nothing will stop these scum being scum unless the parents are penalised heavily and evicted from the estate.
Sad truth is that the place is a shithole because the people there make it a shithole.
I went to school there for my leaving cert 25 years ago.
If you weren’t walking in a group you were at risk of being attacked in some form, in broad day light.
Someone from Cherry Orchard here. Some observances:
– Firstly the headline is a bit of an attention grabber. The resident is saying no one wants to live in Croftwood, not in Ballyfermot in general.
– The photograph of Councillor De Nortuin is quite unfortunate, taken in Croftwood outside a scorched house with a stormy sky. Croftwood has some absolutely beautiful houses in it, with law abiding Dubs doing well for themselves and putting their money into their homes. While it could do with a tidy up and a more regular Garda beat, it’s not a bad place to live. Anywhere looks depressing on a grey day.
– The answer isn’t going to be things like “more facilities” (we’re full to the brim with facilities for young people), it’s getting tough on cocaine, more Gardaí and harsher sentences. We don’t want the criminals here. Build Thornton Hall and lock them up.
– Ballyfermot is a vast, vast place. Don’t let these stories put you off renting, buying and putting down roots here, particularly in the “lower” end of Ballyfermot which is a mature and established 1940s/50s part of the city. Incredible primary schools, a really quality girls secondary school, the best college of further education in the country and a main street bustling with commerce at least 6 days a week. 7km from the city centre with the Phoenix Park and the War Memorial Gardens pretty much on your doorstep.
Important to note this area was built in the 1950s in the main. Many people with jobs, motivation and just hard work have left the area they grew up in, their parents have moved on or passed. They appreciated the state housing, paid rent, got on their feet and left.
Many of those left now are the latest generation of people who wont leave or cant leave because of long term unemployment, substance abuse, Criminal record etc etc so your getting an area thats deteriorated instead of improved with an ever growing concentration of problems.
The row of shops where those guards were assaulted is very run down now, the alleged perpetrators were all drinking on a Sunday night and well beyond the ages of stupidity.
What it needs is a greater social mix through some of the large open places being developed and new people moving in, sanctions for trouble makers and direct support to kids growing up there like school meals, homework clubs etc they they can access independently of parents.
I thought it was all the refugees’s fault?
Where are the East Wall protestors?
Shite lads. Now I’m homesick. My bedroom had the best front row view of both the Dublin Mountains in the morning and the robbed cars at night. Sweet home Ballyfermot!
Nobody wants to live there because of
The scum bag problem so what’s the solution.
The 50yr old guy from the other day what chance has his kids got to not follow in his footsteps if things are left the way the are, what chance do any of them have.
It saddens my that such a great area has produced some of the most hideous creatures. Should be ashamed of themselves bringing the name down like this. It’s nothing to be proud of lads. Smelly needles, scaggy junkies and drugs all over it’s reeks of insecurity and gang behaviour is such a cliche, like grow a set balls and be a strong man not a stupid little man child who refuses to be an example to anything but the rodents. It’s terrible the account of the young girl having to witness this and god knows what else. The thing is ppl become desensitised to it and except it as normal, they have no choice really as one lady said “seen as scum” that’s awful and if that was my nanny who lived in cherry orchard I would be disgusted. The first step is to crack down on the crime, no point in doing up houses, doesn’t sound like anybody wants to live in them.
A flower grows for its environment, please help this community to regain its safety.
Sorry for the rant just had to get that out of me. Cop on lads it’s about time.
It’s just a weirdly hostile area. I used to do home appliance deliveries (Fridges, cookers, etc) and you would get threatened for parking on their curbs, people would have a big head on them because you’re knocking at their door..To deliver something they ordered..
Some lovely people also, obviously. A few bad apples ruins the whole bunch
The article mentions a house no one wants to live in on croftwood drive. Daft has a house on Croftwood Green for €260,000 and a house on Croftwood Park for €230,000. Quarter of a million Euros on an nation wide average of €44,000 a year and your neighbors might just light your car on fire. Couldnt imagine why no one wants to live there.
Just bought a house in ballyfermot, from Palmerstown meself but grew up hanging around Ballyfermot. Honestly, my neighbours are so lovely. There’s a real sense of community. And as odd as it sounds. It just depends on the road really. Some are grand and quiet. Mines mostly filled with older people who have been here years. The people causing trouble are mostly young kids, no respect for anybody. But they didn’t lick it off a stone.
Maybe if we stopped paying the indolent to have kids we might get somewhere.
The actual working class and even middle class can barely afford to have children but the feckless keep popping them out as it actually makes financial sense to do it. And most of them are simple in the head. Their kids won’t be the brightest either, let’s be honest.
Imagine deciding to ‘start a family’ when you have no leaving cert, no job, a few convictions, IQ of fuck all, no hope. But sure they’re entitled to a home and more ‘wages’ when Jayden and Jordan are born.
Then no law and order to control the shits when they grow up. What a mess.
Hit the parent’s dole money. If their kids are gonna be scrotes, force them to take responsibility for them by hitting them in the pocket.
This is just mirroring Ballymun day by day for me with the representatives, community meetings, drug task forces etc. It does get better, but it took the better part of 20 years in Ballymun. It’s a different place now and not perfect, but hopefully they can get some peace. Generational scumbags, I feel for the community having grown up in Ballymun.
This country needs two things.
1. Mandatory sentences
2. More prisons
I don’t think there’s any excuse for it anymore.
Look at places like Finglas, Ballymun on the north side. Not havens by any stretch but a world away from where they were 20, 30 years ago. The establishment of things such as Youth Centres, Fitness Centres, Citizens Information, accessible education, schemes such as DNWAP allow access to university, resources such as laptops etc, and a general clean of the areas have left less of an excuse to be a scrote.
Now, there’s certainly a decent amount of shites and their parents do fuck all, but they’re far from the dangerous, drug pushing, intimidating areas they once were.
Shame Ballyfermot hasn’t moved in that direction.
I would happily take a house there. I rent and will never own my own home.
Nobody wants to live where scummers thrive, color me shocked. I wonder would a new playground/pool/insert x here save the area.
Like granted, working class areas up dont get these but maybe that will solve the scummers wanting to be scummers
I went to the college there many years ago and I loved how friendly and welcome shop owners made me feel. Never had any issues going there every day on a bike. I bet it’s only a small few arseholes.
I see some things happen in Ireland that make me despair of there being a genuine solution. It feels like our social welfare system incentivises people who are not financially, emotionally or psychologically equipped to have multiple kids. People with jobs and mortgages/rent have to consider if they can afford them and give the attention and support needed, before deciding if/how many kids to have.
Then those kids grow up to be the same or worse. I saw a man pushing a toddler in a pushchair in the Eamonn ceannt park, smoking a joint, with the toddler swigging out of a bottle of full sugar coke. I have seen parents picnic in there, with a circle of rubbish from fast food and shite all around them, watching their kids just throw it. I actually picked up rubbish that a kid threw in the park yesterday, with the mother looking on.
I was on a jury last week of a guy that did absolutely reprehensible things and his mother covered up for him. He has been in and out of prison, as have his siblings. It’s really sad, but how do you change this when there is no sense of right or wrong? When their own parents tell them they will protect them from consequences, even for the most horrendous of violent crimes?
I would have thought that area is more Cherry Orchard but regardless. My parents bought a house in Ballyfermot near the college in the 1980s and I lived mid 80s and early 90s til we moved slightly closer to school/work, which was relatively not too far away, Dublin 12. While there a few issues (somebody attempted to nick the car, joyriding and so on), the immediate neighbours were lovely ordinary working class people. Even now I still miss that house sometimes, though I understand why we moved onwards, the kid in me loved it. From the dormer in the roof you could see right over the whole city, Phoenix Park, Dublin bay and mountains.
Moved to Canada in 2011 and having lived in Toronto and Dublin I can say that a huge part of it is social investment but also consequences for your actions. Over here they come down hard on you for messing around or causing trouble. There is absolute respect for law enforcement here because they will take you down so fucking hard. In Ireland, there is no respect for the guards.
Would rather be in Ukraine fighting the Russians than living in that shit heap. The ‘few bad apples’ crap doesn’t apply here.
Unfortunately I agree, Croftwood needs to be bulldozed. It is a hole!
That house behind her in the picture, they literally gutted it. Took out all the wiring and plumbing. Nothing left in it.
I hate even driving through that part and I live just down from it. Opposite side of the road at the roundabout they demolished a load of house (known at the time as drug houses)
The whole place is horrid.
All the local counsellors are all talk…never follow through on anything. Or lie
Worked and lived there for years, there are really bad areas but other areas are just fine. Fine to the point that if I didn’t check the news I wouldn’t know how bad it was. Also one of the most community minded places I have lived – the majority of people are amazing, open helpful folk I have ever met.
Everyone is talking about Gardai but not one mention about Tusla or lack of mental health supports in the country.
I live in a council estate that was 80% privately owned by the 2000’s. Free bit of land and the council literally squeezes 40 social houses in on a tiny bit of land. We were all dreading it but turns out every single person living in these new houses are lovely people. We had one family that caused ructions, kids were abusive and wild. I notified the council and community Garda, they got tusla involved and now the kids/parents have settled and have blended in well in the area. This is proof that if Tusla was actually able to do their job they could tackle some of the issues these kids are facing before they become insufferable Scrotes.
We need more money going into Tusla for early intervention and also the biggest problem for older (teen+) mental health. There’s higher rates of suicide in lower socioeconomic areas. If we can fund Tusla, gardai and mental health services we’d see a huge improvement.
My cousin recently tried to access mental health services funded by the HSE no counselling but tried to force anti depressants instead. The whole system just needs an overhaul, less bureaucracy more action.
I lived on rossmore road twenty years ago and it was a dangerous kip back then, it was also a shithole when my aul lad grew up there fifty years ago. Had a moped and a car nicked on me within two months of each other. Car was burnt out across the road on the californian hills and the moped was never found. The garda called me about a year after the moped got nicked and asked me if I ever found it? I said I thought you’s were supposed to be looking for it ye fuckin’ sap. So obviously the garda have not been too bothered about crime in ballyer for a long time. I was surprised to hear about the two cops getting a hiding recently, more chance if winning the lotto than seeing one of those culchies getting out of their car up there.
Even Roy the cartoon boy moved out after two seasons