Easy to want to ban cars when you can’t afford to buy one. Easy to ban flights when you’re 16 and only fly on planes with your mam and dad.
The Donegal to Dublin flight is cheaper than driving or taking the bus.
Edit: looks like a low of €29 and a high of €60 each way, depending on days/times for a 45min flight vs 3.5-5hrs bus(s)/driving. Approx 270km distance by road.
No mention of degrowth? A sure sign of greenwashing.
Car-free zones would cause a lot of older people (40+) much trouble and exclude them from entire areas.
Many older people are not fit or well enough anymore to walk, cycle or use the public transport system they have access to.
I don’t want to live in a world that is fragmented in this way, if anything there are already far too little comforts for older people in public (try taking an elderly friend for a day out and you get to see just how hostile public space is towards them!)
Phew… for a moment there i thought they were going to mention 4 tonne SUVS.
Interesting how they were only presented with polarised options. “Ban cars and fine companies” rather than “how about we fix the bloody buses and incentivise/subsidise green initiatives”.
All anti-working class stick. Classic climate fascism.
Cant wait for them to discover how arbitrary limitations of your freedom, movement, finances, etc are actually bad and horrible “sorry mam you cant fly to your one holiday a year those climate credirs are reserved for private jets to the next climate summit 8000 miles away.”. Then again, pretty easy to call for such extremist policy when you bear none of its brunt.
Thank god 16 year olds cant vote.
Skimmed through the actual report.
They themselves even say there’s a large difference between those that “support” the idea of lowering their carbon footprint and those that actually do anything about it.
It said something about 33% of this age group were “interested” in changing to a fully plant based diet but the actual figure eating a fully plant based diet was LESS than 6%.
Most 16-24 year old will just say what their friends say and think what they think. Social media is full of climate change activism so can only imagine what their student unions say to them. If they can even afford a car it’s likely to be a heap of shite, they will conveniently forget about all the times Mammy and Daddy gave them lifts into town etc such is their new found independence.
A large portion of people live in areas where these measures would not change anything for them. It is the people who must sacrifice, who should make the decision. The onus is on us all to make this sacrifice not impact negatively.
As a 19 year old, I personally want the public transport in Irish cities to be of a reasonable standard for cities their size. That means trams at a minimum in Galway, Limerick, and especially Cork, and multiple metro lines in Dublin.
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I’ve passed this 16-24 age milestone by some bit and then some more. If these young adults want this then make it happen, they are the future
Need better, reliable public transportation first. From my town to my work is 30 km. Both ways the bus would cost me a tenner !! Also the route is super unreliable. Not freezing my balls on a cold winter morning for one hour for a ghost bus.
Driving that 30 km is simply much cheaper and more efficient for me. Better to sort the real issues here, then talk about banning whatever.
Without having the proper structure these talks are nothing but a waste of time.
I’m sure they left out the bit about 17 to 24 year old being unable to get car insurance at a reasonable price.
sounds amazing, and then you turn the page to how the transport authority can’t even explain why buses and trams dont show up on time, cant tackle anti-social behaviour and are extremely over burdened, additionally the scam of “decreased” prices , after prices were hiked time and time again.
another “how we can protect the future” when you can’t even sort the present.
Is that because the majority of them neither use internal flights or have cars and already live in urban areas?
You know what I want, a tax on products created that don’t partake in a circular economy. If you produce something that can’t be uptaken and results in landfill waste you pay the government for that inconvenience to our country.
Public transport is a joke in this nation over priced, rarely shows up on time, often never go’s to the area you need to be, riddled with antisocial bullshit oh and lets not forget that if you don’t live in the likes of Dublin the quality and options of public transport takes a nose dive..
Once again its clear to see young people don’t have a clue about life
People who dont drive or fly short haul want flight bans and car free zones. Meanwhile people who dont enjoy football, dont want it on the tv.
Would love to see survey of 16-24s from 30yrs ago , and see what it was they where with at time and if it ever came to be.
Agree with internal flight bans and car free zones in urban centres I’m 35
Per arse-kilometre, flying to Cork is more environmentally friendly than driving. (Provided the plane is full)
They say they do for a survey.
Internal flights hahaa. Who gives a flying fuck what 19-24 year olds want.
So just to offer a counter point on the internal flights ban. I work for a company based in the south and I’m in Derry. The boss joked that he could fly to any city in the UK and have an office there he could reach within 2hrs of leaving his home in the south. But to drive to Derry takes him a full day. He said if he had known that he wouldn’t have picked Derry for the UK office.
I am in this age bracket.
I do want internal flight bans in Ireland and more car free zones in towns and cities. However, this is not possible without a massive improvement in the public transport in this country.
Train lines need to be upgraded and extended to every county. We need more buses, and they have to be reliable. Start the metro, expand the DART.
It’s all good talking about these things without actually thinking about what they entail
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How big an issue is interal flights?
Easy to want to ban cars when you can’t afford to buy one. Easy to ban flights when you’re 16 and only fly on planes with your mam and dad.
The Donegal to Dublin flight is cheaper than driving or taking the bus.
Edit: looks like a low of €29 and a high of €60 each way, depending on days/times for a 45min flight vs 3.5-5hrs bus(s)/driving. Approx 270km distance by road.
No mention of degrowth? A sure sign of greenwashing.
Car-free zones would cause a lot of older people (40+) much trouble and exclude them from entire areas.
Many older people are not fit or well enough anymore to walk, cycle or use the public transport system they have access to.
I don’t want to live in a world that is fragmented in this way, if anything there are already far too little comforts for older people in public (try taking an elderly friend for a day out and you get to see just how hostile public space is towards them!)
Phew… for a moment there i thought they were going to mention 4 tonne SUVS.
Interesting how they were only presented with polarised options. “Ban cars and fine companies” rather than “how about we fix the bloody buses and incentivise/subsidise green initiatives”.
All anti-working class stick. Classic climate fascism.
Cant wait for them to discover how arbitrary limitations of your freedom, movement, finances, etc are actually bad and horrible “sorry mam you cant fly to your one holiday a year those climate credirs are reserved for private jets to the next climate summit 8000 miles away.”. Then again, pretty easy to call for such extremist policy when you bear none of its brunt.
Thank god 16 year olds cant vote.
Skimmed through the actual report.
They themselves even say there’s a large difference between those that “support” the idea of lowering their carbon footprint and those that actually do anything about it.
It said something about 33% of this age group were “interested” in changing to a fully plant based diet but the actual figure eating a fully plant based diet was LESS than 6%.
Most 16-24 year old will just say what their friends say and think what they think. Social media is full of climate change activism so can only imagine what their student unions say to them. If they can even afford a car it’s likely to be a heap of shite, they will conveniently forget about all the times Mammy and Daddy gave them lifts into town etc such is their new found independence.
A large portion of people live in areas where these measures would not change anything for them. It is the people who must sacrifice, who should make the decision. The onus is on us all to make this sacrifice not impact negatively.
As a 19 year old, I personally want the public transport in Irish cities to be of a reasonable standard for cities their size. That means trams at a minimum in Galway, Limerick, and especially Cork, and multiple metro lines in Dublin.
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I’ve passed this 16-24 age milestone by some bit and then some more. If these young adults want this then make it happen, they are the future
Need better, reliable public transportation first. From my town to my work is 30 km. Both ways the bus would cost me a tenner !! Also the route is super unreliable. Not freezing my balls on a cold winter morning for one hour for a ghost bus.
Driving that 30 km is simply much cheaper and more efficient for me. Better to sort the real issues here, then talk about banning whatever.
Without having the proper structure these talks are nothing but a waste of time.
I’m sure they left out the bit about 17 to 24 year old being unable to get car insurance at a reasonable price.
sounds amazing, and then you turn the page to how the transport authority can’t even explain why buses and trams dont show up on time, cant tackle anti-social behaviour and are extremely over burdened, additionally the scam of “decreased” prices , after prices were hiked time and time again.
another “how we can protect the future” when you can’t even sort the present.
Is that because the majority of them neither use internal flights or have cars and already live in urban areas?
You know what I want, a tax on products created that don’t partake in a circular economy. If you produce something that can’t be uptaken and results in landfill waste you pay the government for that inconvenience to our country.
Public transport is a joke in this nation over priced, rarely shows up on time, often never go’s to the area you need to be, riddled with antisocial bullshit oh and lets not forget that if you don’t live in the likes of Dublin the quality and options of public transport takes a nose dive..
Once again its clear to see young people don’t have a clue about life
People who dont drive or fly short haul want flight bans and car free zones. Meanwhile people who dont enjoy football, dont want it on the tv.
Would love to see survey of 16-24s from 30yrs ago , and see what it was they where with at time and if it ever came to be.
Agree with internal flight bans and car free zones in urban centres I’m 35
Per arse-kilometre, flying to Cork is more environmentally friendly than driving. (Provided the plane is full)
They say they do for a survey.
Internal flights hahaa. Who gives a flying fuck what 19-24 year olds want.
So just to offer a counter point on the internal flights ban. I work for a company based in the south and I’m in Derry. The boss joked that he could fly to any city in the UK and have an office there he could reach within 2hrs of leaving his home in the south. But to drive to Derry takes him a full day. He said if he had known that he wouldn’t have picked Derry for the UK office.
I am in this age bracket.
I do want internal flight bans in Ireland and more car free zones in towns and cities. However, this is not possible without a massive improvement in the public transport in this country.
Train lines need to be upgraded and extended to every county. We need more buses, and they have to be reliable. Start the metro, expand the DART.
It’s all good talking about these things without actually thinking about what they entail