In terms of civil rights movements you have in order:
– Martin Luther king
– Louis Mckehnie
– Me
At least he’s doing something.
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The media really is doing its best to try to make these people who are taking a principled stand against real, catastrophic climate change look like absolute loonies, despite the fact that that’s not what they said.
Really makes you wonder if, maybe, the people paying for advertising space, or possibly directly financing or owning various media outlets, may be trying to undermine the legitimacy of the protest by making slanderous attacks against their members.
I hope everyone has read “Manufacturing Consent”.
as self-absorbed as the comparison is, i find this relentless determination to poke holes in the climate protests’ actions infinitely more pathetic.
the planet is indeed dying and it seems people genuinely care more about the Bentley corporate headquarters or the glass panel in front of some utterly SHITE piece of art that would be better suited to toilet paper.
>He and Emily Brocklebank, 24, another activist, were found guilty of causing just under £2,000 of criminal damage.
The detention alone has cost more than the “damage”.
Why do JSO use Orange? Was it a team up with B&Q because it’s a very similar hue.
He didn’t.
>Asked if the protests had public support, he said Dr King was “the most hated man in America” in 1960.
>Yet the civil rights movement “still worked”, he said, and “people don’t have to like what we’re doing”.
Isn’t that the guy who got arrested at the Everton vs Newcastle match?
Maybe we just let civil rights and climate action be different things. Not less important, but also very much different in more or less every way.
As I keep saying, take it to downing Street and parliament. Take it to the banks and corporations. It’s not the public’s fault that the government and corporations won’t be greener. I know that protesting is part of the process of change but so is diplomacy and making sure that if you protest, it’s the people causing the issues you’re protesting.
And before anyone brings up MLK and the suffragettes, MLK had a right to disrupt the society itself that had the racist attitudes that were causing those issues. The suffragettes were domestic terrorists that only made the suffragist movement have more hurdles to get over when they were trying in private to make progress on suffrage in general. Thankfully they succeeded in spite of the suffragettes being stupid.
JSO while not domestic terrorists (yet anyway) aren’t looking at it from the perspective of an average person: we’re aware of this but we don’t have the ability to join anyone in a protest without disruption to our lives we literally cannot afford in this financial climate. And when they disrupt everyone’s ability to scrape by day to day? They don’t create sympathy even though I’d argue that most of the country wouldn’t be opposed to the core goal/s of any of these XR based groups, only that the groups are taking their anger out on the public and not the people who need to see it.
Can we as individuals make some better decisions? within our means, yes. When buying a car to replace the one that has just died beyond reasonable repair? Shoot for either a greener car or if you can’t do that, a used car that’s still in reasonable condition. Stuff like that, *not sweeping policy changes*.
>In court on Tuesday, McKechnie suggested Van Gogh would have supported their protest because he valued nature.
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>”I believe that a **completely logical person who is not a psychopath** who owns a painting of this value by Vincent van Gogh would have respected the artist’s wishes,” he said.”He said himself that the art of nature is not as valuable as nature itself.”
Not from the UK but love the banter.
Not content with discrediting climate change action, this idiot wants to tar civiil rights activism too.
I respect their motives and the commitment but all of their barnets are so dodgy it just makes me uneasy…can’t get past it
When Dr King died, he was most certainly one of the most hated men in America. His rhetoric had also broadened to encompass a number of issues, one of the most egregious (in the eyes of intelligence agencies and the media, anyway) being wealth inequality, the dark side of capitalism, and a harsh critique of the military-industrial complex. He was certainly missed, but not by the establishment, and definitely not “Middle America”.
Sky News seem to really hate Just Stop Oil. I cottoned on after watching this video, where the interviewer was either too dumb to/wilfully obtuse in understanding and debating the points the interviewee was making.
Brilliant unemotional and unbiased reporting from Sky as ever
Fascinating watching the press frame what *he actually said* in the way most likely to reduce support. Almost as if the press is run by billionaires who don’t give a fuck about the environment.
Well rates of narcisistic traits have risen since the 90s
Another day, more Redditors misunderstanding what comparisons are
Crazy white guy compares his actions to a historical black man.
During A-levels, I had a mandatory “critical thinking” unit that taught me lifelong skills of analysing news articles, questioning agendas, logical fallacies etc that I use when reading anything now.
I was horrified when I found out that most people are never taught these things at school, but it sadly partially explains Brexit and the continuous Tory party domination over England.
There were polls done at the time and [he was very unpopular](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/politics/mlk-polling-analysis/index.html), with over 60% disapproving of him and over 30% giving his the lowest possible rating on the survey’s scale (-5, with the highest possible being 5), which you wouldn’t imagine looking at how he’s considered an American hero today. Malcolm X being much more adversarial towards White people and his talk about self-defence ended up helping MLK’s peaceful protesting to be a bit more popular, as he was seen as not so bad next to Malcolm.
If ever I’m in that position, I’m going to use the example of the Dublin GPO siege. The men who barricaded themselves in there, declared an Irish Republic, were shot at with guns, machine gunned and had heavy artillery, including a British navy destroyer pounding the centre of Dublin were spat at, jeered, insulted and pelted with vegetables when they were led out by the British army. They are now regarded as heroes. So will those who have been fighting for the preservation of life on earth.
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In terms of civil rights movements you have in order:
– Martin Luther king
– Louis Mckehnie
– Me
At least he’s doing something.
[deleted]
[deleted]
The media really is doing its best to try to make these people who are taking a principled stand against real, catastrophic climate change look like absolute loonies, despite the fact that that’s not what they said.
Really makes you wonder if, maybe, the people paying for advertising space, or possibly directly financing or owning various media outlets, may be trying to undermine the legitimacy of the protest by making slanderous attacks against their members.
I hope everyone has read “Manufacturing Consent”.
as self-absorbed as the comparison is, i find this relentless determination to poke holes in the climate protests’ actions infinitely more pathetic.
the planet is indeed dying and it seems people genuinely care more about the Bentley corporate headquarters or the glass panel in front of some utterly SHITE piece of art that would be better suited to toilet paper.
>He and Emily Brocklebank, 24, another activist, were found guilty of causing just under £2,000 of criminal damage.
The detention alone has cost more than the “damage”.
Why do JSO use Orange? Was it a team up with B&Q because it’s a very similar hue.
He didn’t.
>Asked if the protests had public support, he said Dr King was “the most hated man in America” in 1960.
>Yet the civil rights movement “still worked”, he said, and “people don’t have to like what we’re doing”.
Isn’t that the guy who got arrested at the Everton vs Newcastle match?
Maybe we just let civil rights and climate action be different things. Not less important, but also very much different in more or less every way.
As I keep saying, take it to downing Street and parliament. Take it to the banks and corporations. It’s not the public’s fault that the government and corporations won’t be greener. I know that protesting is part of the process of change but so is diplomacy and making sure that if you protest, it’s the people causing the issues you’re protesting.
And before anyone brings up MLK and the suffragettes, MLK had a right to disrupt the society itself that had the racist attitudes that were causing those issues. The suffragettes were domestic terrorists that only made the suffragist movement have more hurdles to get over when they were trying in private to make progress on suffrage in general. Thankfully they succeeded in spite of the suffragettes being stupid.
JSO while not domestic terrorists (yet anyway) aren’t looking at it from the perspective of an average person: we’re aware of this but we don’t have the ability to join anyone in a protest without disruption to our lives we literally cannot afford in this financial climate. And when they disrupt everyone’s ability to scrape by day to day? They don’t create sympathy even though I’d argue that most of the country wouldn’t be opposed to the core goal/s of any of these XR based groups, only that the groups are taking their anger out on the public and not the people who need to see it.
Can we as individuals make some better decisions? within our means, yes. When buying a car to replace the one that has just died beyond reasonable repair? Shoot for either a greener car or if you can’t do that, a used car that’s still in reasonable condition. Stuff like that, *not sweeping policy changes*.
>In court on Tuesday, McKechnie suggested Van Gogh would have supported their protest because he valued nature.
>
>”I believe that a **completely logical person who is not a psychopath** who owns a painting of this value by Vincent van Gogh would have respected the artist’s wishes,” he said.”He said himself that the art of nature is not as valuable as nature itself.”
Not from the UK but love the banter.
Not content with discrediting climate change action, this idiot wants to tar civiil rights activism too.
I respect their motives and the commitment but all of their barnets are so dodgy it just makes me uneasy…can’t get past it
When Dr King died, he was most certainly one of the most hated men in America. His rhetoric had also broadened to encompass a number of issues, one of the most egregious (in the eyes of intelligence agencies and the media, anyway) being wealth inequality, the dark side of capitalism, and a harsh critique of the military-industrial complex. He was certainly missed, but not by the establishment, and definitely not “Middle America”.
Sky News seem to really hate Just Stop Oil. I cottoned on after watching this video, where the interviewer was either too dumb to/wilfully obtuse in understanding and debating the points the interviewee was making.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bumKlEoGhvk
Brilliant unemotional and unbiased reporting from Sky as ever
Fascinating watching the press frame what *he actually said* in the way most likely to reduce support. Almost as if the press is run by billionaires who don’t give a fuck about the environment.
Well rates of narcisistic traits have risen since the 90s
Another day, more Redditors misunderstanding what comparisons are
Crazy white guy compares his actions to a historical black man.
During A-levels, I had a mandatory “critical thinking” unit that taught me lifelong skills of analysing news articles, questioning agendas, logical fallacies etc that I use when reading anything now.
I was horrified when I found out that most people are never taught these things at school, but it sadly partially explains Brexit and the continuous Tory party domination over England.
Yep, MLK’s daughter posted a photo of a 60s anti-MLK poster where it tried to paint his protests as violent [https://twitter.com/berniceking/status/1300196044693741574](https://twitter.com/berniceking/status/1300196044693741574)
There were polls done at the time and [he was very unpopular](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/politics/mlk-polling-analysis/index.html), with over 60% disapproving of him and over 30% giving his the lowest possible rating on the survey’s scale (-5, with the highest possible being 5), which you wouldn’t imagine looking at how he’s considered an American hero today. Malcolm X being much more adversarial towards White people and his talk about self-defence ended up helping MLK’s peaceful protesting to be a bit more popular, as he was seen as not so bad next to Malcolm.
If ever I’m in that position, I’m going to use the example of the Dublin GPO siege. The men who barricaded themselves in there, declared an Irish Republic, were shot at with guns, machine gunned and had heavy artillery, including a British navy destroyer pounding the centre of Dublin were spat at, jeered, insulted and pelted with vegetables when they were led out by the British army. They are now regarded as heroes. So will those who have been fighting for the preservation of life on earth.