Men like this are a stain on our society and deserve to be publically named and shamed*
Let their friends, family and employer know that they’re a disgusting little creep. Ban them from all public transport as well.
*And prosecuted obviously
Just the other day I saw something on the tube I found troubling. A youngish woman got on and a very big older guy was with her, it seemed. They were both East Asian-ish in appearance. They sat next to each other in the only two available seats opposite me on a very noisy line.
She pulls out a antiseptic gel and cleans her hands and he puts his hand out as in ‘And a bit for me’.
I assumed they were family.
He leans back and rests his arm round the back of the seat *almost* as if he’s hugging her. A bit weird, and he’s a builder or tradesman and she looks like she’s been at an office.
It’s noisy and he’s looking at her, I’m looking at him and her and my phone. She’s staring into her phone.
A few stops later he gets off. And I thought what did I just see. Did I even see anything dodgy? She didn’t know him. Was she to worried about saying anything? Should I have asked if she knew him?
Problem is, if I say anything, am I then the fucking weirdo guy?
Edit: as I re-read the last sentence, the answer is clear. If checking somone is OK means I might feel a bit uncomfortable then so be it.
As a man, it’s insane to hear all these stories about sexual harassment. I knew it happened but it was only recently that I learned the sheer scale of it. I knew creeps and arseholes existed but the fact that 90+% of women seemed to have experienced some form of assault is mindblowing. It sounds naive but it is not something civilised men talk about doing, so a lot of men are insulated from the topic.
>Reports of sexual harassment on public transport have jumped alarmingly, according to figures from police.
What is fuelling this rise?
Even this article is heavily downvoted. Why? What is going on?
The bystander effect is real but as a gay man every male miscreant in this city is looking for an excuse to curbstomp me so it’s hard to know how to intervene.
Having read /u/pajamakitten’s top comment, I am curious to hear from other women in the thread their age when they had their first experience with sexual harassment and/or assault.
I can start — 8 years old.
With stories like this I always wonder whether it is just a personal brand advert. The pictures really don’t seem situationally appropriate for a story about sexual harassment..
How she didn’t kick the fuck out of him is beyond me.
After the even the first touch thats when you start swinging. Creepy little manlet.
Was expecting one of those ‘a man can rape someone without ever touching them’ sort of thing you see around, clicked in prepared to roll my eyes but was disgusted by what i read.
It is a tricky one to action as a bystander, if you intervene you risk a lot, never mind a confrontation with the guy, more of a concern of ‘what if they are just flirting and I’m misreading it’ or if this is something they are both happy with..
i used to live next to an ally, the first time i heard running and a cry of “Rape!” I ran out to help to find a couple of girls laughing and mocking as i came out. The next time i just went to the window and listened for the anything else… third? Might well have gotten ignored had i heard it.
When In a public setting such as the tube it would take very little for you to suddenly become the one in the wrong when intervening, and the clues you think you are seeing May or may not be there… so yeah can’t always count on the public to intervene in good time without clear ‘can someone help me’ type request
That response to the report from TFL staff is absolutely outrageous. I’m sure things pass us by that don’t get reported because they don’t seem serious enough, but I’ve always assumed that if something actually is bad enough for you to report it to staff, that something would be done.
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Men like this are a stain on our society and deserve to be publically named and shamed*
Let their friends, family and employer know that they’re a disgusting little creep. Ban them from all public transport as well.
*And prosecuted obviously
Just the other day I saw something on the tube I found troubling. A youngish woman got on and a very big older guy was with her, it seemed. They were both East Asian-ish in appearance. They sat next to each other in the only two available seats opposite me on a very noisy line.
She pulls out a antiseptic gel and cleans her hands and he puts his hand out as in ‘And a bit for me’.
I assumed they were family.
He leans back and rests his arm round the back of the seat *almost* as if he’s hugging her. A bit weird, and he’s a builder or tradesman and she looks like she’s been at an office.
It’s noisy and he’s looking at her, I’m looking at him and her and my phone. She’s staring into her phone.
A few stops later he gets off. And I thought what did I just see. Did I even see anything dodgy? She didn’t know him. Was she to worried about saying anything? Should I have asked if she knew him?
Problem is, if I say anything, am I then the fucking weirdo guy?
Edit: as I re-read the last sentence, the answer is clear. If checking somone is OK means I might feel a bit uncomfortable then so be it.
As a man, it’s insane to hear all these stories about sexual harassment. I knew it happened but it was only recently that I learned the sheer scale of it. I knew creeps and arseholes existed but the fact that 90+% of women seemed to have experienced some form of assault is mindblowing. It sounds naive but it is not something civilised men talk about doing, so a lot of men are insulated from the topic.
>Reports of sexual harassment on public transport have jumped alarmingly, according to figures from police.
What is fuelling this rise?
Even this article is heavily downvoted. Why? What is going on?
The bystander effect is real but as a gay man every male miscreant in this city is looking for an excuse to curbstomp me so it’s hard to know how to intervene.
Having read /u/pajamakitten’s top comment, I am curious to hear from other women in the thread their age when they had their first experience with sexual harassment and/or assault.
I can start — 8 years old.
With stories like this I always wonder whether it is just a personal brand advert. The pictures really don’t seem situationally appropriate for a story about sexual harassment..
How she didn’t kick the fuck out of him is beyond me.
After the even the first touch thats when you start swinging. Creepy little manlet.
Was expecting one of those ‘a man can rape someone without ever touching them’ sort of thing you see around, clicked in prepared to roll my eyes but was disgusted by what i read.
It is a tricky one to action as a bystander, if you intervene you risk a lot, never mind a confrontation with the guy, more of a concern of ‘what if they are just flirting and I’m misreading it’ or if this is something they are both happy with..
i used to live next to an ally, the first time i heard running and a cry of “Rape!” I ran out to help to find a couple of girls laughing and mocking as i came out. The next time i just went to the window and listened for the anything else… third? Might well have gotten ignored had i heard it.
When In a public setting such as the tube it would take very little for you to suddenly become the one in the wrong when intervening, and the clues you think you are seeing May or may not be there… so yeah can’t always count on the public to intervene in good time without clear ‘can someone help me’ type request
That response to the report from TFL staff is absolutely outrageous. I’m sure things pass us by that don’t get reported because they don’t seem serious enough, but I’ve always assumed that if something actually is bad enough for you to report it to staff, that something would be done.