Usually I’d feel sorry for schools, but I’ve seen how they fuck over new entrants by only giving them fixed term 1 year contracts. They won’t give them permanent jobs and they are now reaping what they have sown.
Teacher salary to live in Dublin not worth it
Teachers, Nurses, and Guards can’t afford Dubin, there have been as many headlines about Nurses immigrating and Guards retiring over the last few days.
Yet despite frontline state services now facing issues with staff retention…it’s not an emergency somehow.
I feel sorry for the kids who are inevitably going to hear the brunt of staff shortages, but certainly not the schools as an institution. I have a close friend of mine who went into secondary education. Seemed to be a good teacher as by all accounts he taught in a variety of subjects to a high degree, but he was sick and tired of getting dicked around by schools all over the country who never wanted to offer anything even semi-permanent. It was one year contract after one year contract and he never knew if he was going to be in the same catchment area from one year to the next.
He eventually said fuck this and went to Dubai to teach English for a year, and then later went to Australia where he has now been working as a teacher for a few years. Has no intention of ever coming back as the work/life balance and opportunities are so much better over there.
Been subbing in a lot of Dublin schools as I’m a student teacher and so many teachers are talking about moving back home because they can’t afford Dublin. They don’t want to leave but they have to, it’s sad.
A lack of job security, short contracts and the cost of living in Dublin, all key
Not surprising when they’ll be paid the same to live in Dublin or a small town in Kerry despite the drastically different costs of living.
I’m not a teacher but I work in a public sector job and live comfortably in Cork but moving to Dublin would mean a drastic decrease in my quality of living as I’d be paid the same but living in a much more expensive city.
I see consistent arguments for a comprehensive plan to increase public transport around Dublin and invest heavily in satellite cities and building low cost housing between satellite cities and Dublin.
This artificial scarcity of land and housing is toxic.
High Corpo receipts giving people the illusion that we’re doing well.
Our public transport, infrastructure, healthcare, housing, & education sectors paint a very different picture. If we cant get public services up to scratch with tax receipts that are literally off the charts then i dont know what we’re going to do.
Hey maybe give them job security and decent pay?
“No they wouldn’t want that! Wow we can’t find any subs – this makes no sense!”
Shit…I wonder why people are hesitant to enter a profession where job security can take years to attain. We’re the only country in Europe where a teacher could be working for ten years and still not have job security. Other countries have more permanent positions. Why is that so difficult here?
Subbing is a shit gig. It’s no wonder teachers don’t want to do it.
There’s no staff shortage, only a wage shortage
What gets me the most is that there is 0 talk at a political level on fixing it. Where is the Dublin pay adjustment for public servants or cost rental properties exclusively for public servants?
Dublin is not just unable to find teachers, but also other essential staff. The wages are not able to cover actually living in the capital. At what point does the government actually do something about the extortionate cost of rent and house prices? Because if the landlord parties continue making money off it, then the essential services of the state won’t be in Dublin.
I’m a secondary school teacher and been in the same school 2 years with no sign of a permanent contract. I’d take the hit to stay in Dublin if I had some security but this June I will be looking outside Dublin.
An extortionate rental market has most of us in a bind, and the knock on effects will be astronomical.
I’m a foreign teacher trying to get a teaching job in Ireland (I even have an Irish teaching license and passed that history of education test) but there’s no path to a work visa as a teacher because it’s not on the ‘critical skills’ list so I would need to find a job that would both sponsor my visa and pay me 64k minimum, and any employer that would hire me would have to jump through a ton of hoops like waiting several months to prove that no Irish person would take the job, posting it in the newspaper, etc.
So yeah not gonna happen. Wanna know who IS on the critical skills list and gets to skip a lot of those steps? 3d animators.
Is she one of the rich teachers who pulled up the ladder or one of the poorer teachers who were fucked by their union colleagues?
It’s almost as if there are too many people already living in Dublin which has continued to cause a cost of living crisis in the housing market, be that renting or buying, and that all those people living in Dublin have and are having kids, that need to attend school and those schools need teachers.
It’s almost as if the government could incentivise and otherwise encourage businesses to set up outside of Dublin and the Pale altogether, other otherwise dissuade businesses from setting up in or too close to Dublin. Then people wouldn’t all need to live in Dublin and the existing schools outside of Dublin could be used, and if necessary new ones built, and staffed with teachers that could afford to live in those more rural areas.
Imagine what could be achieved, not overnight of course like all these problems seem to occur, by giving a bit of thought to future planning and not the short termism of getting re-elected, and preferably re-elected as the party in power, that tends to be the only thing politicians give a shit about. Short term, in the next 5 years, what can we achieve to get re-elected.
What an absolute joke Dublin is
It’s also not just the housing and cost of living crisis for the Teachers. Its also the fact that Teachers and SNAs all over ireland now are also dealing with a big increase in children suffering from anxiety and other mental health issues. Issues that they neither have the training for or the support for either. Distress caused by the lockdowns, the effects of putins war and the general fear they will inevitably absorb from stressed parents or care givers is manifesting in the classroom and there is 0 support for Teachers and SNAs full stop. Most schools might get 2 or 3 appointments with a psychologist… thats it for the year for the whole school. SNA supports are spread soo thin. When a child is assigned SNA hours that means it should be them and 1 SNA , in the real world though that 1 SNA will have 2 kids sharing their time. So for the Teachers and SNAs outside of the urban areas (cos rents are high in the other cities too) its a far more stressful job now than ever before. For those within Dublin and the like it must be awful as the stress does not end when the bell rings… so yeah I can see why Dubai or a country school might seem a more attractive option… this govt really is too conservative and I think ideologically opposed to fixing education, health and housing. They want to dumb us down, Make Ireland Grand Again …….give those less well off just enough to exploit them… its a scandal.
There is no shortage in certain counties.
If they decline career breaks next year, I’m losing it and fighting back. I’m doing this 12 years. I need a break, my health has gone way down recently and had a huge health scare. Enough is enough!!! It takes long enough to get permanency in my area, treat those who worked to gain their permanency with the respect they deserve!!!!!!
If teachers can’t get places to live then how can a school get teachers ? Lol, the absolute state of the place and all the wealth, land and materials that are here.
Teachers need to get paid more ..full stop..no excuses!
This article makes it appear that teachers can easily get permanent jobs. I’m 8 years teaching and have consistently had 1 year contracts in a few schools. It’s unstable and exhausting.
The usual teacher bashing dopes harping on about easy teachers have it, and still suggesting ways of making teaching even more undesirable, despite the obvious crisis. Fools.
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Usually I’d feel sorry for schools, but I’ve seen how they fuck over new entrants by only giving them fixed term 1 year contracts. They won’t give them permanent jobs and they are now reaping what they have sown.
Teacher salary to live in Dublin not worth it
Teachers, Nurses, and Guards can’t afford Dubin, there have been as many headlines about Nurses immigrating and Guards retiring over the last few days.
Yet despite frontline state services now facing issues with staff retention…it’s not an emergency somehow.
I feel sorry for the kids who are inevitably going to hear the brunt of staff shortages, but certainly not the schools as an institution. I have a close friend of mine who went into secondary education. Seemed to be a good teacher as by all accounts he taught in a variety of subjects to a high degree, but he was sick and tired of getting dicked around by schools all over the country who never wanted to offer anything even semi-permanent. It was one year contract after one year contract and he never knew if he was going to be in the same catchment area from one year to the next.
He eventually said fuck this and went to Dubai to teach English for a year, and then later went to Australia where he has now been working as a teacher for a few years. Has no intention of ever coming back as the work/life balance and opportunities are so much better over there.
Been subbing in a lot of Dublin schools as I’m a student teacher and so many teachers are talking about moving back home because they can’t afford Dublin. They don’t want to leave but they have to, it’s sad.
A lack of job security, short contracts and the cost of living in Dublin, all key
Not surprising when they’ll be paid the same to live in Dublin or a small town in Kerry despite the drastically different costs of living.
I’m not a teacher but I work in a public sector job and live comfortably in Cork but moving to Dublin would mean a drastic decrease in my quality of living as I’d be paid the same but living in a much more expensive city.
I see consistent arguments for a comprehensive plan to increase public transport around Dublin and invest heavily in satellite cities and building low cost housing between satellite cities and Dublin.
This artificial scarcity of land and housing is toxic.
High Corpo receipts giving people the illusion that we’re doing well.
Our public transport, infrastructure, healthcare, housing, & education sectors paint a very different picture. If we cant get public services up to scratch with tax receipts that are literally off the charts then i dont know what we’re going to do.
Hey maybe give them job security and decent pay?
“No they wouldn’t want that! Wow we can’t find any subs – this makes no sense!”
Shit…I wonder why people are hesitant to enter a profession where job security can take years to attain. We’re the only country in Europe where a teacher could be working for ten years and still not have job security. Other countries have more permanent positions. Why is that so difficult here?
Subbing is a shit gig. It’s no wonder teachers don’t want to do it.
There’s no staff shortage, only a wage shortage
What gets me the most is that there is 0 talk at a political level on fixing it. Where is the Dublin pay adjustment for public servants or cost rental properties exclusively for public servants?
Dublin is not just unable to find teachers, but also other essential staff. The wages are not able to cover actually living in the capital. At what point does the government actually do something about the extortionate cost of rent and house prices? Because if the landlord parties continue making money off it, then the essential services of the state won’t be in Dublin.
I’m a secondary school teacher and been in the same school 2 years with no sign of a permanent contract. I’d take the hit to stay in Dublin if I had some security but this June I will be looking outside Dublin.
An extortionate rental market has most of us in a bind, and the knock on effects will be astronomical.
I’m a foreign teacher trying to get a teaching job in Ireland (I even have an Irish teaching license and passed that history of education test) but there’s no path to a work visa as a teacher because it’s not on the ‘critical skills’ list so I would need to find a job that would both sponsor my visa and pay me 64k minimum, and any employer that would hire me would have to jump through a ton of hoops like waiting several months to prove that no Irish person would take the job, posting it in the newspaper, etc.
So yeah not gonna happen. Wanna know who IS on the critical skills list and gets to skip a lot of those steps? 3d animators.
Is she one of the rich teachers who pulled up the ladder or one of the poorer teachers who were fucked by their union colleagues?
It’s almost as if there are too many people already living in Dublin which has continued to cause a cost of living crisis in the housing market, be that renting or buying, and that all those people living in Dublin have and are having kids, that need to attend school and those schools need teachers.
It’s almost as if the government could incentivise and otherwise encourage businesses to set up outside of Dublin and the Pale altogether, other otherwise dissuade businesses from setting up in or too close to Dublin. Then people wouldn’t all need to live in Dublin and the existing schools outside of Dublin could be used, and if necessary new ones built, and staffed with teachers that could afford to live in those more rural areas.
Imagine what could be achieved, not overnight of course like all these problems seem to occur, by giving a bit of thought to future planning and not the short termism of getting re-elected, and preferably re-elected as the party in power, that tends to be the only thing politicians give a shit about. Short term, in the next 5 years, what can we achieve to get re-elected.
What an absolute joke Dublin is
It’s also not just the housing and cost of living crisis for the Teachers. Its also the fact that Teachers and SNAs all over ireland now are also dealing with a big increase in children suffering from anxiety and other mental health issues. Issues that they neither have the training for or the support for either. Distress caused by the lockdowns, the effects of putins war and the general fear they will inevitably absorb from stressed parents or care givers is manifesting in the classroom and there is 0 support for Teachers and SNAs full stop. Most schools might get 2 or 3 appointments with a psychologist… thats it for the year for the whole school. SNA supports are spread soo thin. When a child is assigned SNA hours that means it should be them and 1 SNA , in the real world though that 1 SNA will have 2 kids sharing their time. So for the Teachers and SNAs outside of the urban areas (cos rents are high in the other cities too) its a far more stressful job now than ever before. For those within Dublin and the like it must be awful as the stress does not end when the bell rings… so yeah I can see why Dubai or a country school might seem a more attractive option… this govt really is too conservative and I think ideologically opposed to fixing education, health and housing. They want to dumb us down, Make Ireland Grand Again …….give those less well off just enough to exploit them… its a scandal.
There is no shortage in certain counties.
If they decline career breaks next year, I’m losing it and fighting back. I’m doing this 12 years. I need a break, my health has gone way down recently and had a huge health scare. Enough is enough!!! It takes long enough to get permanency in my area, treat those who worked to gain their permanency with the respect they deserve!!!!!!
If teachers can’t get places to live then how can a school get teachers ? Lol, the absolute state of the place and all the wealth, land and materials that are here.
Teachers need to get paid more ..full stop..no excuses!
This article makes it appear that teachers can easily get permanent jobs. I’m 8 years teaching and have consistently had 1 year contracts in a few schools. It’s unstable and exhausting.
The usual teacher bashing dopes harping on about easy teachers have it, and still suggesting ways of making teaching even more undesirable, despite the obvious crisis. Fools.