No surprise here if they are trained I don’t see an issue.
If ambulance drivers walk out the death toll from the action will spike if I’m messed up to the point of needing an ambulance I don’t care who’s driving it
The fish is this weird obsession by the Tories and their voters about the military helping out stuff and treating it like it’s completely normal?
If the military has to step in, do the Tory voters realise that it’s the last of the last resort before the service crumbles into itself?
“Hello my name is corporal Price, I’m here to do your colonoscopy today. Open wide, put your tongue out and say ahh”
It’s important that the Tories keep the flag shaggers high on imperialist fantasy now that remembrance Sunday is over
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Haven’t there been medics from the army helping out in hospitals for a while now anyway?
Military Aid to the Civilian Authorities (MACA) isn’t free either. The military don’t foot the bill so it’s not as if you’re getting a “free replacement”
Only a matter of time before even the Army peeps want a raise
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How about our Tory government actually paying NHS properly for a change?
They were all so happy to clap for them each week, praise them while in the background for the past 30 years, sectioning off and selling NHS services permanently to their friends in the private sector for personal payoffs and deals, all at the expense of tax payers and NHS workers.
But now they say they have no money to pay them? What about all the mismanaged money during COVID that went into Tory politicians and friends pockets? What about Jacob Rees Moggs £6m loan to himself to avoid paying tax? How were the Tory government able to vote to increase their own salaries less than two years ago?
Fuck anyone that’s ever voted conservative. Traitor to your country.
So uh, what’s the contingency plan if the military goes on strike?
Will the Army step in when the teachers go on strike!?.. I guess those students will be in for a rude awakening when they try to mess around like they would with a normal cover teacher..
A stable country would not need the military to do anything other than to defend the country. It is really telling that these plans are being made.
What? Just how many medical staff are there in the UK military? Can’t be that many.
If you can fix a skateboard then you can scab for the NHS
Reserve army of labour but it’s literally the army
Fucking hell, imagine thinking about drafting in the army, rather than just paying nurses a decent pay rise for all the shit they do.
I’ve had my first real go with the NHS recently, and I can happily say that my GP is a clueless fool, but the hospital and every nurse and doctor there were fantastic.
Just pay them already, you tory cunts. Stop giving yourself pay rises, stop giving your mates money, just pay the fucking nurses what they want and fund the NHS properly, it’s not even hard.
I watched Call me midwife last night.
A poor pregnant lady got all her teeth pulled out and got a full set of new pearls plus giving birth within a month on the NHS.
Was that ever true because my experience of NHS is application online and then nothing.
Something tells me people will be less likely to assault paramedics when said paramedics are also trained specifically to kill and are not known for their bedside manner.
I had surgery a few years back. The nurse that looked after me was ex-army and took no shit. He took one look at the painkillers and laughed, “You won’t need these”
Lives will be put at risk so nurses can get twice the minimum wage?
What an absolute knob gobblers the Tories are proving to be. Are you seriously so fucked up that you don’t to pay more for Nurses that you are forcing Army men to do this? What next do you have in mind ? Ordering soldiers to pick fruits
? drive trucks? act as Janitors at local TESCO?
What exactly are these ‘Soldiers’ going to do, the Defence Medical Services shut all the Military Hospitals…Certainly for James Cook University Hospital in Middlesbrough, military nursing and doctors are already part of the staffing of the hospital, I believe it is the ‘receiving’ hospital for military personnel. Apart from purely driving ambulances and first aid, their only other use would be as cleaners and porters…This idea that our less than 100000 person military can step in to cover Industrial Disputes is not only fanciful but a total fantasy…But hey it sounds good tho…
As someone who’s worked with both the NHS and the military.
The military doesn’t heavily with: Chronic conditions, children’s services, elderly people.
Issues that the NHS is overloaded with: Chronic conditions, children’s services, elderly people.
On top of that the Military Medical Services also use heavily from reservists who are in civilian clinical roles. Just the Tories screaming buzzwords and not thinking things through.
Shock.
What’s worse is that the military wage isn’t great, but they aren’t allowed to strike.
Using the army to supplement lack of workforce due to strikes shows how the government have fucked up.
Won’t help the lack of admission beds situation though. They can drive ambulances but will still be backed up in the car park at A&E depts.
As we learned from the nightingale hospitals the big problem with using the military to fill medical roles is it turns out a lot of the reserves you try to call up already work in the NHS. So all you are going to be left with is the medics who work exclusively for the Army and that is mostly going to be battle field first aiders rather than actual doctors and nurses, the rest tend to get called up from the reserves and spend much of their time otherwise in the NHS.
And what? Machine gun all the sick people? Problem solved.
And do what exactly?,
take patient obs?, administer IV antibiotics that need to be made up to an specific mg/ml ratio?, insert a cathater? Deal with dementia patients properly?, fulfil critical care roles like ICU, HDU and recovery(roles that need months of additional training to even work solo as a registered nurse)
The army does not have the capacity or skills to do nurses jobs effectively at all. Contrary to right wing belief the army is not a mythical beast that fixes any problems put in front of it
What happens when the strikes are over but the nursing shortfall is still not dealt with? The NHS will still be in crisis mode, like it is now, with too few staff to deal with an increasing number of patients and an increasing number of patients with greater care needs. It’s a temporary solution to a crisis that is already in progress and will take years to fix.
Thick idiots nurses and doctors is what you need not snipers
I don’t think the nhs will strike in January/February. You know how the Tories like to make people look bad, ie they tried saying that the railways are going to strike over Christmas, just to make the strikers look bad, but they won’t be striking over Christmas. Tories just trying to turn the public against worker that have to strike for better pay and conditions.
Help now? tossers will just undermine strikes and degrade pay further.
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No surprise here if they are trained I don’t see an issue.
If ambulance drivers walk out the death toll from the action will spike if I’m messed up to the point of needing an ambulance I don’t care who’s driving it
The fish is this weird obsession by the Tories and their voters about the military helping out stuff and treating it like it’s completely normal?
If the military has to step in, do the Tory voters realise that it’s the last of the last resort before the service crumbles into itself?
“Hello my name is corporal Price, I’m here to do your colonoscopy today. Open wide, put your tongue out and say ahh”
It’s important that the Tories keep the flag shaggers high on imperialist fantasy now that remembrance Sunday is over
[removed]
Haven’t there been medics from the army helping out in hospitals for a while now anyway?
Military Aid to the Civilian Authorities (MACA) isn’t free either. The military don’t foot the bill so it’s not as if you’re getting a “free replacement”
Only a matter of time before even the Army peeps want a raise
[deleted]
How about our Tory government actually paying NHS properly for a change?
They were all so happy to clap for them each week, praise them while in the background for the past 30 years, sectioning off and selling NHS services permanently to their friends in the private sector for personal payoffs and deals, all at the expense of tax payers and NHS workers.
But now they say they have no money to pay them? What about all the mismanaged money during COVID that went into Tory politicians and friends pockets? What about Jacob Rees Moggs £6m loan to himself to avoid paying tax? How were the Tory government able to vote to increase their own salaries less than two years ago?
Fuck anyone that’s ever voted conservative. Traitor to your country.
So uh, what’s the contingency plan if the military goes on strike?
Will the Army step in when the teachers go on strike!?.. I guess those students will be in for a rude awakening when they try to mess around like they would with a normal cover teacher..
A stable country would not need the military to do anything other than to defend the country. It is really telling that these plans are being made.
What? Just how many medical staff are there in the UK military? Can’t be that many.
If you can fix a skateboard then you can scab for the NHS
Reserve army of labour but it’s literally the army
Fucking hell, imagine thinking about drafting in the army, rather than just paying nurses a decent pay rise for all the shit they do.
I’ve had my first real go with the NHS recently, and I can happily say that my GP is a clueless fool, but the hospital and every nurse and doctor there were fantastic.
Just pay them already, you tory cunts. Stop giving yourself pay rises, stop giving your mates money, just pay the fucking nurses what they want and fund the NHS properly, it’s not even hard.
I watched Call me midwife last night.
A poor pregnant lady got all her teeth pulled out and got a full set of new pearls plus giving birth within a month on the NHS.
Was that ever true because my experience of NHS is application online and then nothing.
Something tells me people will be less likely to assault paramedics when said paramedics are also trained specifically to kill and are not known for their bedside manner.
I had surgery a few years back. The nurse that looked after me was ex-army and took no shit. He took one look at the painkillers and laughed, “You won’t need these”
Lives will be put at risk so nurses can get twice the minimum wage?
What an absolute knob gobblers the Tories are proving to be. Are you seriously so fucked up that you don’t to pay more for Nurses that you are forcing Army men to do this? What next do you have in mind ? Ordering soldiers to pick fruits
? drive trucks? act as Janitors at local TESCO?
What exactly are these ‘Soldiers’ going to do, the Defence Medical Services shut all the Military Hospitals…Certainly for James Cook University Hospital in Middlesbrough, military nursing and doctors are already part of the staffing of the hospital, I believe it is the ‘receiving’ hospital for military personnel. Apart from purely driving ambulances and first aid, their only other use would be as cleaners and porters…This idea that our less than 100000 person military can step in to cover Industrial Disputes is not only fanciful but a total fantasy…But hey it sounds good tho…
As someone who’s worked with both the NHS and the military.
The military doesn’t heavily with: Chronic conditions, children’s services, elderly people.
Issues that the NHS is overloaded with: Chronic conditions, children’s services, elderly people.
On top of that the Military Medical Services also use heavily from reservists who are in civilian clinical roles. Just the Tories screaming buzzwords and not thinking things through.
Shock.
What’s worse is that the military wage isn’t great, but they aren’t allowed to strike.
Using the army to supplement lack of workforce due to strikes shows how the government have fucked up.
Won’t help the lack of admission beds situation though. They can drive ambulances but will still be backed up in the car park at A&E depts.
As we learned from the nightingale hospitals the big problem with using the military to fill medical roles is it turns out a lot of the reserves you try to call up already work in the NHS. So all you are going to be left with is the medics who work exclusively for the Army and that is mostly going to be battle field first aiders rather than actual doctors and nurses, the rest tend to get called up from the reserves and spend much of their time otherwise in the NHS.
And what? Machine gun all the sick people? Problem solved.
And do what exactly?,
take patient obs?, administer IV antibiotics that need to be made up to an specific mg/ml ratio?, insert a cathater? Deal with dementia patients properly?, fulfil critical care roles like ICU, HDU and recovery(roles that need months of additional training to even work solo as a registered nurse)
The army does not have the capacity or skills to do nurses jobs effectively at all. Contrary to right wing belief the army is not a mythical beast that fixes any problems put in front of it
What happens when the strikes are over but the nursing shortfall is still not dealt with? The NHS will still be in crisis mode, like it is now, with too few staff to deal with an increasing number of patients and an increasing number of patients with greater care needs. It’s a temporary solution to a crisis that is already in progress and will take years to fix.
Thick idiots nurses and doctors is what you need not snipers
I don’t think the nhs will strike in January/February. You know how the Tories like to make people look bad, ie they tried saying that the railways are going to strike over Christmas, just to make the strikers look bad, but they won’t be striking over Christmas. Tories just trying to turn the public against worker that have to strike for better pay and conditions.
Help now? tossers will just undermine strikes and degrade pay further.
Healthcare workers need an all out strike.