Can’t give up hope if you never had it. *taps head*
At least they got a little left to give up, not be long before they’ll have to borrow the hope on credit to pay back later with interest.
No Party is appealing to Young Voters. All they care about are pensioners. Maybe if Young People were given a better deal they would vote
It is not only young people, plenty of older people have already opted out.
Spectator must be worried about their future revenue, otherwise they’d be blaming all the bad stuff on young people being lazy or some shit.
Perhaps if this country stopped voting for right-wing psychopaths, we might actually have a chance at building a fair, kind, and decent society, instead of the current skip fire.
Nothing of course to do with the disastrous and divisive policies of ex-spectator editor Boris Johnson.
I have advised all of our children to get the hell away from here at the earliest opportunity. And then send for my wife and I.
Isn’t The Spectator a Conservative site? They can get fucked.
I used to vote conservative but the past five years or so have made it hard to square with myself. They’ve had their time for now and we need a fresh perspective. But I don’t know who to vote for now, no one has the political will to do anything and everything big that needs taken on would take multiple parliaments to accomplish. I just don’t know anymore.
I’ve given up owning a house, having a meaningful job that pays well and decent work life balance. Such is the UK.
I’m in my early to mid thirties. I remember when sitting around the student bars as fresh-faced 18 and 19 year olds the words “I’ll never be able to buy a house” were bandied around every so often.
It was said in a sort of half-jokey kind of way, but with one genuine eye on property prices that seemed to just be out of control.
Fast-forward a decade and a half and now when 18 and 19 year olds are saying this, they aren’t joking.
Its not completely true, there is small but significant minority in that generation hoping to inherit from their parents and/or grandparents *and quite happy with the status quo thank you.*
They are the people with bullshit jobs who still own their own property and go on holiday several times a year.
Spectator for about 20 years up to 2016 – “we should leave the EU”
Spectator in 2016 – “vote Brexit”
Spectator from 2017 – “we need the hardest possible form of Brexit or that’s not the real Brexit. Anyone who disagrees should be hanged as a traitor.”
Spectator in 2022 – “what’s happened? How come everything’s gone to shit?”
As a young engineer. I have made the right decisions. Went to university. Got my degree. Worked as a young professional should to better myself inside and outside of work. Only to find that the promotions I will achieve will fall short of inflation in terms of payrises.
If I want to exceed that, I have to exceed in work and continually join new companies. Like what? I dont want to have to abandon the friends I have made and join new companies every two years. That isnt what I signed up for.
I can only imagine what it is like for young people who dont have the education and career I do. Im not fucked. But im in a minority of people with my level of education. Even we probably wont be as wealthy as our parents. Even though I am far better educated and worked harder.
I won’t own a house, if I’m lucky I will inherit my mother’s house when she dies. Not that I can afford to run it, heat it, maintain it.
I work in a school, educating the next generation of hopefuls. Hearing their aspirations, knowing what their future is, is quite a bleak situation.
>Spends decades promoting Tories
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>Fake cries at the consequences of their actions
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Get fucked, Spectator.
I’m going to start a business based on beer for the big end of the world fire, it’s a non profit because collection is pointless. Just crack open your beer and watch it all burn.
My vote is going to the party that promises not to be utterly corrupt and to fuck us over even harder.
I don’t even care about general policies involving xyz, I just want a government to function and maybe not give huge amounts of money away to their mates. to tax those who should be paying tax and to generally not be a bunch of shit human beings.
TL;DR I want a functional fucking government that acts in the interests of it’s people.
They haven’t given up hope, it’s been sold from under them. I’m 44 and I have jumped through all the hoops postgraduate education etc. There’s hardly any work in my forward looking field. God help those burdened with 30k of debt just starting out from uni.
We are not building a resilient future at all Tory’s are selling the family silver.
> Wages have stagnated in real terms
As an NHS employee I can only fucking DREAM of my wages stagnating in real terms.
Christ, imagine if my wages kept up with inflation? I get all tingly just thinking about it. Hell, right now I’d settle for my wages only falling a couple of percent behind inflation, rather than a 9 fucking percent real term loss this year, on top of another 15% real term loss over the last decade
I’m staying for the next election and if the Tories are returned to power I’m out of here. Next year we’re having our first child, and I’ll not bring them up somewhere with a failing school system, not to mention full on failing social fabric and corrupted politics.
Probably because the country is on autopilot, no group has any ideology that fits reality. No real plan for change. Everyone can see that we dont have leaders, just ugly actors.
If people work hard and get an education, they end up in debt from uni, renting a house they could never dreaming of owning.
I’m at the top end of this survey and I’ll never vote Tory after Brexit. It’s beyond lies and well into criminal negligence or fraud at this point.
I’m 32 and all my adult life the situation has been pretty shit and the outlook for the next 5 years doesn’t look any better.
I’m not expecting to inherit anything either as the money they have will be eaten up by care fees because boomers will live forever
I tell people this and I’ll keep saying it, the UK is on the decline, there are better countries for you if your educated, adventurous, capable or just wants better life for yourself.
I have mates in Canada, Australia, parts of Europe and Asia.
Im moving to Canada and have lived in other countries outside of the UK. Life really is getting worse here and people just take it. I have no hope for this countries future and want a better life for myself.
Apathy is growing daily among everyone I know.
It’s not just those stuck in the cycle of low paid jobs, I know people on £100k a year who are hoping to leave.
I know I’ll be leaving for somewhere else too soon.
This isn’t new… we were giving up hope before it was cool.
Grammar correction: Have given. A long, long time ago.
Things were shit for young people even back as far as the 90s. This *waves hands* ridiculousness is not new. The 80s were described as a lost decade because the young people then couldn’t get jobs. Luckily for them, there was still the dole – which the Tories purposefully tried to move people off onto sick pay instead. Thusly comes the whole coalition thing about making people reapply for disability allowance. The entire reason people who shouldn’t have been on disability allowance were even on disability allowance in the first place was because the 1980s Tories were trying to fudge the dole figures. Essentially, they knew there were people claiming disability that weren’t disabled because they were the ones that made that an option! Now they’re fudging them by just flat-out trying to starve people to death.
No wonder young people have given up. We’ve seen the Tories in the 70s and 80s, destroying the economy and selling off strategic national interests to foreign powers while also fucking the young, followed by Labour, doing exactly the same thing, the coalition, the Tories… It’s always “what can we sell off cheap to pretend the UK made money this year?” followed by “how can we make sure old people and billionaires don’t lose any buying power at all?” Just about every decision made in the last, what, 40-45 years has been made on faulty assumptions and with no thought whatsoever of the strategic interests and future of the UK. It’s gone beyond short-sighted, via bloody stupid, all the way through to the only explanation being corruption on a vast scale.
And while we’re having a rant. “Young” apparently now includes anyone under about 55.
A tip to younger voters.
Realise which government has been trashing wages, increasing tuition fees, underfunding schools and further education, trashing facilities and services for young people and not building enough houses, meaning house prices are astonishing out of reach.
A clue – this is always the Tories.
Then, vote for the party that is _most likely_ to gain power who isn’t the Tories.
The party will then see the demographic that voted for them and tailor themselves accordingly.
The idea that people become more right wing as they get older is only applicable to the dribbling mouth breathers that read the Mail, Express and Sun because they are in a constant state of fear from whatever garbage those papers print.
Ah I see the Spectator are the latest conservative outlet to attempt to free themselves of blame and responsibility for the mess they’ve been utterly complicit in causing over the last 12 years…. Get fucked, get royally fucked.
I try so hard to not just go on about how shitty and hopeless it all is in front of my young adult kids. The lockdowns already took away so much of their ambition and drive. It’s difficult
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Can’t give up hope if you never had it. *taps head*
At least they got a little left to give up, not be long before they’ll have to borrow the hope on credit to pay back later with interest.
No Party is appealing to Young Voters. All they care about are pensioners. Maybe if Young People were given a better deal they would vote
It is not only young people, plenty of older people have already opted out.
Spectator must be worried about their future revenue, otherwise they’d be blaming all the bad stuff on young people being lazy or some shit.
Perhaps if this country stopped voting for right-wing psychopaths, we might actually have a chance at building a fair, kind, and decent society, instead of the current skip fire.
Nothing of course to do with the disastrous and divisive policies of ex-spectator editor Boris Johnson.
I have advised all of our children to get the hell away from here at the earliest opportunity. And then send for my wife and I.
Isn’t The Spectator a Conservative site? They can get fucked.
I used to vote conservative but the past five years or so have made it hard to square with myself. They’ve had their time for now and we need a fresh perspective. But I don’t know who to vote for now, no one has the political will to do anything and everything big that needs taken on would take multiple parliaments to accomplish. I just don’t know anymore.
I’ve given up owning a house, having a meaningful job that pays well and decent work life balance. Such is the UK.
I’m in my early to mid thirties. I remember when sitting around the student bars as fresh-faced 18 and 19 year olds the words “I’ll never be able to buy a house” were bandied around every so often.
It was said in a sort of half-jokey kind of way, but with one genuine eye on property prices that seemed to just be out of control.
Fast-forward a decade and a half and now when 18 and 19 year olds are saying this, they aren’t joking.
Its not completely true, there is small but significant minority in that generation hoping to inherit from their parents and/or grandparents *and quite happy with the status quo thank you.*
They are the people with bullshit jobs who still own their own property and go on holiday several times a year.
Spectator for about 20 years up to 2016 – “we should leave the EU”
Spectator in 2016 – “vote Brexit”
Spectator from 2017 – “we need the hardest possible form of Brexit or that’s not the real Brexit. Anyone who disagrees should be hanged as a traitor.”
Spectator in 2022 – “what’s happened? How come everything’s gone to shit?”
As a young engineer. I have made the right decisions. Went to university. Got my degree. Worked as a young professional should to better myself inside and outside of work. Only to find that the promotions I will achieve will fall short of inflation in terms of payrises.
If I want to exceed that, I have to exceed in work and continually join new companies. Like what? I dont want to have to abandon the friends I have made and join new companies every two years. That isnt what I signed up for.
I can only imagine what it is like for young people who dont have the education and career I do. Im not fucked. But im in a minority of people with my level of education. Even we probably wont be as wealthy as our parents. Even though I am far better educated and worked harder.
I won’t own a house, if I’m lucky I will inherit my mother’s house when she dies. Not that I can afford to run it, heat it, maintain it.
I work in a school, educating the next generation of hopefuls. Hearing their aspirations, knowing what their future is, is quite a bleak situation.
>Spends decades promoting Tories
​
>Fake cries at the consequences of their actions
​
​
Get fucked, Spectator.
I’m going to start a business based on beer for the big end of the world fire, it’s a non profit because collection is pointless. Just crack open your beer and watch it all burn.
My vote is going to the party that promises not to be utterly corrupt and to fuck us over even harder.
I don’t even care about general policies involving xyz, I just want a government to function and maybe not give huge amounts of money away to their mates. to tax those who should be paying tax and to generally not be a bunch of shit human beings.
TL;DR I want a functional fucking government that acts in the interests of it’s people.
They haven’t given up hope, it’s been sold from under them. I’m 44 and I have jumped through all the hoops postgraduate education etc. There’s hardly any work in my forward looking field. God help those burdened with 30k of debt just starting out from uni.
We are not building a resilient future at all Tory’s are selling the family silver.
> Wages have stagnated in real terms
As an NHS employee I can only fucking DREAM of my wages stagnating in real terms.
Christ, imagine if my wages kept up with inflation? I get all tingly just thinking about it. Hell, right now I’d settle for my wages only falling a couple of percent behind inflation, rather than a 9 fucking percent real term loss this year, on top of another 15% real term loss over the last decade
I’m staying for the next election and if the Tories are returned to power I’m out of here. Next year we’re having our first child, and I’ll not bring them up somewhere with a failing school system, not to mention full on failing social fabric and corrupted politics.
Probably because the country is on autopilot, no group has any ideology that fits reality. No real plan for change. Everyone can see that we dont have leaders, just ugly actors.
If people work hard and get an education, they end up in debt from uni, renting a house they could never dreaming of owning.
I’m at the top end of this survey and I’ll never vote Tory after Brexit. It’s beyond lies and well into criminal negligence or fraud at this point.
I’m 32 and all my adult life the situation has been pretty shit and the outlook for the next 5 years doesn’t look any better.
I’m not expecting to inherit anything either as the money they have will be eaten up by care fees because boomers will live forever
I tell people this and I’ll keep saying it, the UK is on the decline, there are better countries for you if your educated, adventurous, capable or just wants better life for yourself.
I have mates in Canada, Australia, parts of Europe and Asia.
Im moving to Canada and have lived in other countries outside of the UK. Life really is getting worse here and people just take it. I have no hope for this countries future and want a better life for myself.
Apathy is growing daily among everyone I know.
It’s not just those stuck in the cycle of low paid jobs, I know people on £100k a year who are hoping to leave.
I know I’ll be leaving for somewhere else too soon.
This isn’t new… we were giving up hope before it was cool.
Grammar correction: Have given. A long, long time ago.
Things were shit for young people even back as far as the 90s. This *waves hands* ridiculousness is not new. The 80s were described as a lost decade because the young people then couldn’t get jobs. Luckily for them, there was still the dole – which the Tories purposefully tried to move people off onto sick pay instead. Thusly comes the whole coalition thing about making people reapply for disability allowance. The entire reason people who shouldn’t have been on disability allowance were even on disability allowance in the first place was because the 1980s Tories were trying to fudge the dole figures. Essentially, they knew there were people claiming disability that weren’t disabled because they were the ones that made that an option! Now they’re fudging them by just flat-out trying to starve people to death.
No wonder young people have given up. We’ve seen the Tories in the 70s and 80s, destroying the economy and selling off strategic national interests to foreign powers while also fucking the young, followed by Labour, doing exactly the same thing, the coalition, the Tories… It’s always “what can we sell off cheap to pretend the UK made money this year?” followed by “how can we make sure old people and billionaires don’t lose any buying power at all?” Just about every decision made in the last, what, 40-45 years has been made on faulty assumptions and with no thought whatsoever of the strategic interests and future of the UK. It’s gone beyond short-sighted, via bloody stupid, all the way through to the only explanation being corruption on a vast scale.
And while we’re having a rant. “Young” apparently now includes anyone under about 55.
A tip to younger voters.
Realise which government has been trashing wages, increasing tuition fees, underfunding schools and further education, trashing facilities and services for young people and not building enough houses, meaning house prices are astonishing out of reach.
A clue – this is always the Tories.
Then, vote for the party that is _most likely_ to gain power who isn’t the Tories.
The party will then see the demographic that voted for them and tailor themselves accordingly.
The idea that people become more right wing as they get older is only applicable to the dribbling mouth breathers that read the Mail, Express and Sun because they are in a constant state of fear from whatever garbage those papers print.
Ah I see the Spectator are the latest conservative outlet to attempt to free themselves of blame and responsibility for the mess they’ve been utterly complicit in causing over the last 12 years…. Get fucked, get royally fucked.
I try so hard to not just go on about how shitty and hopeless it all is in front of my young adult kids. The lockdowns already took away so much of their ambition and drive. It’s difficult
From The Spectator.
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