>A lobbying group led by Conservative MPs and peers has released a report recommending the further privatisation of the NHS while being funded by private health companies, Byline Times can reveal.
>The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) for Healthcare Infrastructure is a body of MPs and peers that considers the physical infrastructure needs of the NHS and social care – such as the building of new hospitals and care homes.
>Although APPGs have no formal parliamentary status, their memberships consist of members of the House of Commons and Lords, they produce reports that are often endorsed by ministers, and they are commonly advised and even directly managed by private entities.
>
>In this case, the APPG for Healthcare Infrastructure is sponsored by four private firms with a financial interest in health infrastructure: Assura, Eric Wright, Fulcrum, and gbpartnerships.
>On 18 October, the APPG released its annual report on ‘Meeting the Short, Medium and Long-Term Needs for NHS Infrastructure’.
>The paper claims that “the Government’s originally stated ambition to meet all health infrastructure needs through public funding alone are [sic] no longer viable in the post-pandemic age”.
>An alternative to public funding, it says, should include “third-party development”, claiming that this option represents “value for money for the taxpayer”.
>In particular, the report recommends “that the Government and NHS England consider the option of third-party partnerships for GP premises” in order to upgrade the quality of GP surgeries.
>
>“The idea of an APPG on Healthcare Infrastructure is important, especially with our crumbling NHS hospitals and huge waiting lists. But most people would be forgiven for thinking there’s something very fishy about the APPG being sponsored by private companies with interests in healthcare,” said Johnbosco Nwogbo, lead campaigner at the public ownership campaign group, We Own It.
>None of the firms mentioned or the APPG for Healthcare Infrastructure responded to requests for comment.
Sam Bright, 8 December 2022.
And we should call for a demand to have their peerage revoked and those MP’s recalled.
It shouldn’t be surprising given we know that MPs have been meeting with private healthcare firms in the UK for years now, not to mention the influence right wing think tanks have in the current government. With the amount of money to be made by those high up on the organisations, MPs would be very happy to get in on the ground floor to make some early money.
Privatisation is going to happen simply because this country isn’t prepared to do what has to be done to prevent it from happening. Voting won’t change a thing considering all our current options are for privatisation.
So PFI contracts but even worse for the public.
Truly they have no ideas
Was brexit worth it? For five years of this lot and everything that comes with them?
MPs should fuck off and sell some of their own shit, not shit owned by the people, and to that end, give staff the pay the deserve and fund it properly using the God damn tax I fucking pay.
MPs should fuck off and sell some of their own shit, not shit owned by the people, and to that end, give staff the pay the deserve and fund it properly using the God damn tax I fucking pay.
In other professions taking gifts worth more than a small amount is not acceptable.
It’s not just a conflict of interest but the appearance of a conflict that is avoided.
MPs don’t give a stuff about that and fill their pockets. Our MPs have been bought.
Been the game plan for decades, bleed the system dry, funnelled taxes into the hands of private equity. Make it break, so they can allude to saving for the nation.
Absolutely no conflict of interest…says the Tory party.
PS thanks all you tory voters (and all those who dont care about Proportional Representation).
It this happens I’m on the fucking streets and rioting!
I’m probably going to get alot of downvotes for this.
We don’t deserve the NHS. The British people don’t deserve it. We deserve to be treated like the Americans. Because we can’t help ourselves but to copy them.
You know there were nearly 2 solid years that workers endured near impossible work conditions. I don’t think people truly understand what it was like to work in a hospital during the pandemic.
We clapped for them under orders of a Tory government who didn’t want to pay them. Probably one of the biggest insults NHS staff have ever had to face.
“Thanks for risking your lives, and the lives of your loved ones. We appreciate you but we won’t pay you”
Then we are upset when nurses and doctors jump ship to emigrate to a country that will actually pay them.
We have the largest growing elderly population our country has ever seen. Your hospital beds are being blocked by a lack of access to at home care.
Because hey it isn’t just nurses and doctors here. Noone is talking about the lack of carers.
Ever wonder how an 80 yo can end up lying on their floor for hours on end, after a fall? No carers to check up on them. No ambulances available to come either, they’re all held up outside a&e. Because people are blocking bed due to, you guessed it, a lack of carers.
The pandemic should have been a wake up call. We should have seen how bare bones it’s operating and all that brexit energy should have turned into NHS energy. Instead it’s just more of the same.
So yeah I don’t think we deserve it. Our priorities are completely out of line. We aren’t willing to vote in governments who will commit to funding the NHS.
Lastly and in all honesty. The privatisation of the NHS began long ago. Any job that isn’t nursing, physio, doctor or lab worker is being slowly phased out. Piece by piece, job by job. I’ve already accepted it.
MP’s should not be allowed private healthcare, they should in fact, be locked into the system they’re in charge of.
Maybe then, they’ll finally fix something, instead of pretending it isn’t an issue and trying to sell it to the public like there’s nothing they can do about it.
I’ve never been given an answer to this question:
If NHS-style free at the point of use healthcare is the ideal system, why does almost no country in the world other than the UK have their healthcare set up in this way?
Here we go. Everyone knew they will try to do this. Don’t let them!!
There’s a lot of crap we put up with from the tories. But if this actually goes into a bill in any sort of way and the news picks up on it I think it’ll be the final straw.
We’ve seen how privatisation goes in our country (See atrociously unreliable and overpriced rail network) and how healthcare privatisation goes in other (See USA).
The NHS isn’t the best service in the world, it’s underfunded and has its issues. But it’s one of the few things we have pride in – they got us through covid and have survived off the pennies tories toss to them for years. But they try to destroy it completely and I think people will finally snap. I know I’d book time off to loudly protest if I saw this happening.
Absolutely dispicable. If they do this we need to take to the streets until they back down.
What they want is not privatisation. They are talking about contracting private firms to deliver those services. Those services are still owned by the NHS, funded through taxation, and free to use. When the contract ends or if the provider doesn’t deliver, they can be taken back in house or contracted out again by the NHS, which retains full control.
This is not privatisation, which would involve selling those services off to private companies. Calling it privatisation is misleading and dishonest.
Legalise cannabis.
Tax cannabis that is sold
Put that tax money towards the NHS.
Boom I’m better then 95% of politicians
Support healthcare workers’ strikes and fights for adequate pay. The government will feel validated in stifling them if the public perception of these strikes is that they are unreasonable. HCWs are trying to keep the NHS afloat, and this includes asking for pay that allow them to live well enough to be able to care for their patients. Staff shortages and discontent will be twisted as justifications to privatise the NHS. We know this is what they want to do, doesn’t mean we need to make it easy for them.
Why is it that when an MP takes money from a company or a person it is called lobbying but if we took money to influence us it is called corruption ?
Surely MPs should be held to the same if not higher standard and be subject to the same anti bribery and corruption laws of the land ?
So why are they allowed to vote on the issue? It being a conflict of interest and all that.
Doesn’t matter anymore who you vote for, the end result will be the same because the powerful billionaires are the ones who rules. We don’t live in a democracy anymore, its an Oligarchy, but people don’t seem to have twigged on, mainly due to poor education, by design. Because of this people aren’t protesting things that actually matter, they’re protesting things they are told to protest, will we ever see a revolution? Does anyone even care?
Nurses bursaries were cut in 2016, not sure if this was the start of the attack, but the NHS is dead, whenever I seek help I’m just pushed drugs that may not work but we will try them anyway, procedures just to monitor a condition. How about cure me?? Oh no wait, just like the common cold, if it’s cured there’s no way we can milk you for symptom management.
Why are MPs allowed to take these bungs? Shouldn’t MPs who take bribes be locked up?
I hope any MP is that stupid to say this outright. They’ll lose their seat instantly next election.
Ffs. How do we stop this? Seriously.. all the horrible stories about the United States system will come to us. Medical debt. People dying because they can’t afford medicine. What a joke.
Sounds pretty standard – par for the course. Is anyone really surprised anymore? They just don’t give a fuck. Gov are just beholden (and accountable to) to massive global corporations, wealthy private institutions, think tanks, and increasingly quite apparently not you or I or 99% of anybody else.
They already HAVE been privatising it.
One such situation is the reduction in beds, NHS has to pay for private beds to send nhs patients….
How surprising. Why, the very sky is blue and water is mostly shit filled wet in the UK. I would be more surprised if they went “Actually, let’s sort it out, keep it public.” etc…. The tories would love for us to use the american model of get healed and buried in debt.
UK citizen here who lives in the US.
I implore everyone to fight against the privatization of the NHS as best as humanly possible. I’ve been fortunate to work for companies that offer a pretty good salary ($22 – $35 per hour) and my health insurance per month is around $160.
But this doesn’t include all additional fees they add onto your bill if you see your doctor outside of any regular yearly checkup.
How costs are calculated in the US system is absolutely confusing, convoluted and expensive. Each time you experience a change in health (maybe you leg feels pains, you can’t get rid of a cold, you feel something off), your first thought isn’t to see a doctor, but usually how much is it gonna cost me when I do see them.
You pay for health insurance that doesn’t kick in until you reach a certain maximum (could be $10000, or $20000), which affects how much you pay monthly.
There’s so much more to go into how complicated it is here, and fortunately, I’ve remained relatively healthy during my time here. But I’d give anything just to health a regular NHS system and not worry about the unknown costs associated with treatment and billing in the US. I’d even take those 2 week wait times, and I’m not even kidding.
But I too believe the Tories have already privatised most of the NHS, it might be irreversible at this point.
This is the UK version of the US long term SCOTUS plan!
Underfund the NHS for a decade, point at problems the NHS are having and saybit needs to be privatised. Just like it’s 1992 again.
I’ve been working in the NHS for the past 10 years as a clinician. If I could sum up the problems facing the NHS in one sentence (I wouldn’t normally, but this is Reddit after all) it would be this: the NHS is not being run as a service, it is being run as a corporation.
I believe it underscores the whole problem with our health system, because a corporation has one goal, and one goal only and that is to make money. The goal of the NHS is and should always be, to provide good quality healthcare to the public. Everything else should be secondary. That’s not the same as wasting money for the sake of it, but the money given to the health service should be a means to an end, not the end itself.
Could you imagine this in any other service in the country? Imagine if in the fire brigade was talked about in terms of its water bill? Or the navy was talked about in terms of the cost of fuel? So why do we always seem to talk about the NHS in terms of its funding first and it’s core goal second?
Cut mp’s pay , and no second home expenses..
How much are these traitor getting in kickbacks to make this happen
Another case of the tories trying to ruin the lives of the british people.
They don’t have the right to sell off the nhs, they don’t own the nhs, the people do. This is quite literally theft.
don’t forget to keep voting tories lads, because breakfast means breakfast
People who think the system is broken don’t understand what the system is designed to do.
Disgusting corrupt cretins!!! Morally corrupt self serving liars who lack the integrity required to be decent humans on EVERY level! They haven’t cared about the British public for a long time.64
It’s clear as day by now. Michelle Mone is one end of it, refusing to negotiate with the nurses is another. They’re deliberately running down the health services and defrauding money. Any questions? Thought not.
They will burn your public health and social care institutions to the fucking ground for no other reason than to sell each and every one of you back a fraction of the ashes at a lone, competitive, consumer-driving, retail POS, premium.
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Excerpt:
>A lobbying group led by Conservative MPs and peers has released a report recommending the further privatisation of the NHS while being funded by private health companies, Byline Times can reveal.
>The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) for Healthcare Infrastructure is a body of MPs and peers that considers the physical infrastructure needs of the NHS and social care – such as the building of new hospitals and care homes.
>Although APPGs have no formal parliamentary status, their memberships consist of members of the House of Commons and Lords, they produce reports that are often endorsed by ministers, and they are commonly advised and even directly managed by private entities.
>
>In this case, the APPG for Healthcare Infrastructure is sponsored by four private firms with a financial interest in health infrastructure: Assura, Eric Wright, Fulcrum, and gbpartnerships.
>On 18 October, the APPG released its annual report on ‘Meeting the Short, Medium and Long-Term Needs for NHS Infrastructure’.
>The paper claims that “the Government’s originally stated ambition to meet all health infrastructure needs through public funding alone are [sic] no longer viable in the post-pandemic age”.
>An alternative to public funding, it says, should include “third-party development”, claiming that this option represents “value for money for the taxpayer”.
>In particular, the report recommends “that the Government and NHS England consider the option of third-party partnerships for GP premises” in order to upgrade the quality of GP surgeries.
>
>“The idea of an APPG on Healthcare Infrastructure is important, especially with our crumbling NHS hospitals and huge waiting lists. But most people would be forgiven for thinking there’s something very fishy about the APPG being sponsored by private companies with interests in healthcare,” said Johnbosco Nwogbo, lead campaigner at the public ownership campaign group, We Own It.
>None of the firms mentioned or the APPG for Healthcare Infrastructure responded to requests for comment.
Sam Bright, 8 December 2022.
And we should call for a demand to have their peerage revoked and those MP’s recalled.
It shouldn’t be surprising given we know that MPs have been meeting with private healthcare firms in the UK for years now, not to mention the influence right wing think tanks have in the current government. With the amount of money to be made by those high up on the organisations, MPs would be very happy to get in on the ground floor to make some early money.
Privatisation is going to happen simply because this country isn’t prepared to do what has to be done to prevent it from happening. Voting won’t change a thing considering all our current options are for privatisation.
So PFI contracts but even worse for the public.
Truly they have no ideas
Was brexit worth it? For five years of this lot and everything that comes with them?
MPs should fuck off and sell some of their own shit, not shit owned by the people, and to that end, give staff the pay the deserve and fund it properly using the God damn tax I fucking pay.
MPs should fuck off and sell some of their own shit, not shit owned by the people, and to that end, give staff the pay the deserve and fund it properly using the God damn tax I fucking pay.
In other professions taking gifts worth more than a small amount is not acceptable.
It’s not just a conflict of interest but the appearance of a conflict that is avoided.
MPs don’t give a stuff about that and fill their pockets. Our MPs have been bought.
Been the game plan for decades, bleed the system dry, funnelled taxes into the hands of private equity. Make it break, so they can allude to saving for the nation.
Absolutely no conflict of interest…says the Tory party.
PS thanks all you tory voters (and all those who dont care about Proportional Representation).
It this happens I’m on the fucking streets and rioting!
I’m probably going to get alot of downvotes for this.
We don’t deserve the NHS. The British people don’t deserve it. We deserve to be treated like the Americans. Because we can’t help ourselves but to copy them.
You know there were nearly 2 solid years that workers endured near impossible work conditions. I don’t think people truly understand what it was like to work in a hospital during the pandemic.
We clapped for them under orders of a Tory government who didn’t want to pay them. Probably one of the biggest insults NHS staff have ever had to face.
“Thanks for risking your lives, and the lives of your loved ones. We appreciate you but we won’t pay you”
Then we are upset when nurses and doctors jump ship to emigrate to a country that will actually pay them.
We have the largest growing elderly population our country has ever seen. Your hospital beds are being blocked by a lack of access to at home care.
Because hey it isn’t just nurses and doctors here. Noone is talking about the lack of carers.
Ever wonder how an 80 yo can end up lying on their floor for hours on end, after a fall? No carers to check up on them. No ambulances available to come either, they’re all held up outside a&e. Because people are blocking bed due to, you guessed it, a lack of carers.
The pandemic should have been a wake up call. We should have seen how bare bones it’s operating and all that brexit energy should have turned into NHS energy. Instead it’s just more of the same.
So yeah I don’t think we deserve it. Our priorities are completely out of line. We aren’t willing to vote in governments who will commit to funding the NHS.
Lastly and in all honesty. The privatisation of the NHS began long ago. Any job that isn’t nursing, physio, doctor or lab worker is being slowly phased out. Piece by piece, job by job. I’ve already accepted it.
MP’s should not be allowed private healthcare, they should in fact, be locked into the system they’re in charge of.
Maybe then, they’ll finally fix something, instead of pretending it isn’t an issue and trying to sell it to the public like there’s nothing they can do about it.
I’ve never been given an answer to this question:
If NHS-style free at the point of use healthcare is the ideal system, why does almost no country in the world other than the UK have their healthcare set up in this way?
Here we go. Everyone knew they will try to do this. Don’t let them!!
There’s a lot of crap we put up with from the tories. But if this actually goes into a bill in any sort of way and the news picks up on it I think it’ll be the final straw.
We’ve seen how privatisation goes in our country (See atrociously unreliable and overpriced rail network) and how healthcare privatisation goes in other (See USA).
The NHS isn’t the best service in the world, it’s underfunded and has its issues. But it’s one of the few things we have pride in – they got us through covid and have survived off the pennies tories toss to them for years. But they try to destroy it completely and I think people will finally snap. I know I’d book time off to loudly protest if I saw this happening.
Absolutely dispicable. If they do this we need to take to the streets until they back down.
What they want is not privatisation. They are talking about contracting private firms to deliver those services. Those services are still owned by the NHS, funded through taxation, and free to use. When the contract ends or if the provider doesn’t deliver, they can be taken back in house or contracted out again by the NHS, which retains full control.
This is not privatisation, which would involve selling those services off to private companies. Calling it privatisation is misleading and dishonest.
Legalise cannabis.
Tax cannabis that is sold
Put that tax money towards the NHS.
Boom I’m better then 95% of politicians
Support healthcare workers’ strikes and fights for adequate pay. The government will feel validated in stifling them if the public perception of these strikes is that they are unreasonable. HCWs are trying to keep the NHS afloat, and this includes asking for pay that allow them to live well enough to be able to care for their patients. Staff shortages and discontent will be twisted as justifications to privatise the NHS. We know this is what they want to do, doesn’t mean we need to make it easy for them.
Why is it that when an MP takes money from a company or a person it is called lobbying but if we took money to influence us it is called corruption ?
Surely MPs should be held to the same if not higher standard and be subject to the same anti bribery and corruption laws of the land ?
So why are they allowed to vote on the issue? It being a conflict of interest and all that.
Doesn’t matter anymore who you vote for, the end result will be the same because the powerful billionaires are the ones who rules. We don’t live in a democracy anymore, its an Oligarchy, but people don’t seem to have twigged on, mainly due to poor education, by design. Because of this people aren’t protesting things that actually matter, they’re protesting things they are told to protest, will we ever see a revolution? Does anyone even care?
Nurses bursaries were cut in 2016, not sure if this was the start of the attack, but the NHS is dead, whenever I seek help I’m just pushed drugs that may not work but we will try them anyway, procedures just to monitor a condition. How about cure me?? Oh no wait, just like the common cold, if it’s cured there’s no way we can milk you for symptom management.
Why are MPs allowed to take these bungs? Shouldn’t MPs who take bribes be locked up?
I hope any MP is that stupid to say this outright. They’ll lose their seat instantly next election.
Ffs. How do we stop this? Seriously.. all the horrible stories about the United States system will come to us. Medical debt. People dying because they can’t afford medicine. What a joke.
Sounds pretty standard – par for the course. Is anyone really surprised anymore? They just don’t give a fuck. Gov are just beholden (and accountable to) to massive global corporations, wealthy private institutions, think tanks, and increasingly quite apparently not you or I or 99% of anybody else.
They already HAVE been privatising it.
One such situation is the reduction in beds, NHS has to pay for private beds to send nhs patients….
How surprising. Why, the very sky is blue and water is mostly shit filled wet in the UK. I would be more surprised if they went “Actually, let’s sort it out, keep it public.” etc…. The tories would love for us to use the american model of get healed and buried in debt.
UK citizen here who lives in the US.
I implore everyone to fight against the privatization of the NHS as best as humanly possible. I’ve been fortunate to work for companies that offer a pretty good salary ($22 – $35 per hour) and my health insurance per month is around $160.
But this doesn’t include all additional fees they add onto your bill if you see your doctor outside of any regular yearly checkup.
How costs are calculated in the US system is absolutely confusing, convoluted and expensive. Each time you experience a change in health (maybe you leg feels pains, you can’t get rid of a cold, you feel something off), your first thought isn’t to see a doctor, but usually how much is it gonna cost me when I do see them.
You pay for health insurance that doesn’t kick in until you reach a certain maximum (could be $10000, or $20000), which affects how much you pay monthly.
There’s so much more to go into how complicated it is here, and fortunately, I’ve remained relatively healthy during my time here. But I’d give anything just to health a regular NHS system and not worry about the unknown costs associated with treatment and billing in the US. I’d even take those 2 week wait times, and I’m not even kidding.
But I too believe the Tories have already privatised most of the NHS, it might be irreversible at this point.
This is the UK version of the US long term SCOTUS plan!
Underfund the NHS for a decade, point at problems the NHS are having and saybit needs to be privatised. Just like it’s 1992 again.
I’ve been working in the NHS for the past 10 years as a clinician. If I could sum up the problems facing the NHS in one sentence (I wouldn’t normally, but this is Reddit after all) it would be this: the NHS is not being run as a service, it is being run as a corporation.
I believe it underscores the whole problem with our health system, because a corporation has one goal, and one goal only and that is to make money. The goal of the NHS is and should always be, to provide good quality healthcare to the public. Everything else should be secondary. That’s not the same as wasting money for the sake of it, but the money given to the health service should be a means to an end, not the end itself.
Could you imagine this in any other service in the country? Imagine if in the fire brigade was talked about in terms of its water bill? Or the navy was talked about in terms of the cost of fuel? So why do we always seem to talk about the NHS in terms of its funding first and it’s core goal second?
Cut mp’s pay , and no second home expenses..
How much are these traitor getting in kickbacks to make this happen
Another case of the tories trying to ruin the lives of the british people.
They don’t have the right to sell off the nhs, they don’t own the nhs, the people do. This is quite literally theft.
don’t forget to keep voting tories lads, because breakfast means breakfast
People who think the system is broken don’t understand what the system is designed to do.
Disgusting corrupt cretins!!! Morally corrupt self serving liars who lack the integrity required to be decent humans on EVERY level! They haven’t cared about the British public for a long time.64
It’s clear as day by now. Michelle Mone is one end of it, refusing to negotiate with the nurses is another. They’re deliberately running down the health services and defrauding money. Any questions? Thought not.
They will burn your public health and social care institutions to the fucking ground for no other reason than to sell each and every one of you back a fraction of the ashes at a lone, competitive, consumer-driving, retail POS, premium.
Source: American, 60 years next year.