Surprisingly this decision comes from the Flemish government (Demir) since they’re the ones stipulating the norms for the “lage-emissiezone’s”.
Good – car usage is not a basic right.
A news broadcast from 2030.
“Flemish Minister-President Demir urgently asks Antwerp, Ghent and Brussels to postpone the banning of diesel and gasoline fueled cars. Electric cars are limited in use and mileage due to the maximum electricity ration. Fossil fueled cars are the only option for those needing to be on the road every single day and banning them would hurt businesses during the economic crisis.
As compensation, she suggests introducing CityCheques which would allow fossil fuel cars to drive a certain number of kilometers in the forbidden zones per month. These cheques can be bought by companies or individuals and the proceeds are used to pay for a future green zone which would compensate the CO2-emissions. Sodexo announced they are willing to participate in the scheme.”
Waarom mogen die lawaaierige stinkende brommers wel blijven rijden? Achter dieselwagens fietsen valt best mee, maar als ge achter zo’n brommerke fietst wordt ge vergast.
Can someone explain me: we have delivery vans driving around. Diesel. Often we drive 250km a day in Belgium with several stops, traffic jams,…. How can we do that electrical with the current technology? Hope for better batteries, buy 2 vans per technician,…? Only large corporations will be able to function still in our business in this situation.
I avoid those cities like the plague with my car anyway. Park (or take a train) at a P+R, use public traffic to your end destination. Sucks for the residents and small businesses though.
When will they finally enforce a ban on those annoying scooters (bromfietsen)? Just only allow electrical ones to be sold new, the rest will die out slowly. If one passes you, you smell petrol for 5 minutes.
De Park&Rides brengen niet genoeg op, dus ze grijpen naar drastische maatregelen. Ik kijk er al naar uit om als appartementsbewoner (dus geen garage om zelf laadinstallatie te zetten) te kunnen kiezen om ofwel dagelijks naar mijn fossiele brandstof-auto te pendelen, ofwel uren naast mijn elektrische wagen te zitten in de hoop dat er een plekje bij één van de zeldzame laadpalen vrijkomt (want like fuck dat ze gaan zorgen dat er voldoende laadpalen zijn voor de honderdduizenden gebruikers dan).
It’s the greenbois again!!!
Ah no wait it’s n-va.
Vallen hybridewagens hier ook onder?
I don’t like this at all. This almost seems like the Flemish government trying to sabotage the low emission zones by making them so strict that Ghent and Antwerp will be forced to give them up entirely.
If we want cleaner air in cities, what we need more than anything is **larger** low emission zones. Especially the one in Ghent is ridiculously tiny, consisting almost entirely of low-traffic roads. Most pollution is caused by the busy R40 around the city centre, which is not in the LEZ. So inhabitants are forced to buy a modern, clean car, yet a few hundred metres away, every thirty year old diesel is allowed to drive circles around the city.
There was a plan to enlarge the LEZ, but it was cancelled because of public outcry. The last thing we need is to make the rules even more strict, as that would make enlargements even more politically impossible. Imagine people in Ghent having to buy electric vehicles (which are hard to charge for many people in the city centre who don’t have private parking) while euro 1 diesels pollute the air one street away.
And that brings me to the second point: electric cars make more sense in the suburbs. Their main advantage is CO2 reduction, which is global, not local. And as people in the suburbs tend to drive more than people in the city, the average electric car in the suburbs will lead to let’s say 30 000 km per year of electric driving, while in the city it might only be 10 000 km. Plus, in the suburbs most people have a driveway to charge their car. So using LEZs in cities to push electric cars is a weird choice.
It might even be counterproductive. Delivery times for electric cars are pretty long at the moment. Maybe this will improve by 2030, but if not, this law is pretty bad. If waiting times remain this long, a lot of people will buy fossil fuel cars, if at all possible. So imagine some guy in the suburb buying a polluting car for his daily 100 km commute, just so an old grandma in the city, who only uses her car for 10 km once a month, can buy an electric car because she can’t park anything else in her inner city garage.
Are electric cars the future? Sure, and the EU wants to ban the sale of new fossil fuel cars in 2035. So the last non-oldtimer fossil fuel cars will be on the road ten to twenty years later. That is a more realistic timeline for inner cities. Should electric cars be pushed before that? Yes! But in the suburbs, not in the city where the challenges are the greatest and the benefits the lowest.
If I’m given the option of an electric company car, you can be sure I will make use of it now, despite me being against the principle.
I will buy a horse, i’m done with playing each time our government wants to make one of the options evil by upping the prices for its usage. If you go electric now price of electricity will only climb same as gas and diesel in the past.
All I can say is GL with that.
I can’t see trucking and delivery without a fuel cell, you can’t just rely on li ion batteries if you want the change happen so quickly and yeah that hydrogen should be produced cleanly it is possible if enough money is thrown at it which will eventually happen.
Most issues can ve engineered away.
With the current energy crisis, why do they believe we’ll have enough electricity to charge these electrical cars?
Moreover, a lot of the bad air quality also comes from fijn stof, which comes from example from rubber tires that wear off on the concrete, propelling tiny rubber particles in the air. You’re not going to solve that with electric cars.
Just our luck that our public transport is so awesome, dependable and on time.
The ban on petrol cars in the cities is likely tied to the EU-wide ban on sales of cars running on either petrol or diesel within the EU starting from 2035.
Before then we will see a hike on taxes and other measures to move people away from cars using fossil fuels to alternatives. Remember that by 2050 the use ALL fossil fuels in all industries will be banned in the EU and by 2060 quite a few other countries around the world will join the ban. Since this is a massive undertaking, such measures are going to take years to have effect which is why they are starting with them nearly 30 years before the deadline.
I gotcha
Diesel cars will no longer be allowed in Antwerp and Ghent from 2031, gasoline cars will also be banned from 2035.
Les voitures diesel ne seront plus autorisées à Anvers et à Gand à partir de 2031, les voitures à essence seront également interdites à partir de 2035.
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Surprisingly this decision comes from the Flemish government (Demir) since they’re the ones stipulating the norms for the “lage-emissiezone’s”.
Good – car usage is not a basic right.
A news broadcast from 2030.
“Flemish Minister-President Demir urgently asks Antwerp, Ghent and Brussels to postpone the banning of diesel and gasoline fueled cars. Electric cars are limited in use and mileage due to the maximum electricity ration. Fossil fueled cars are the only option for those needing to be on the road every single day and banning them would hurt businesses during the economic crisis.
As compensation, she suggests introducing CityCheques which would allow fossil fuel cars to drive a certain number of kilometers in the forbidden zones per month. These cheques can be bought by companies or individuals and the proceeds are used to pay for a future green zone which would compensate the CO2-emissions. Sodexo announced they are willing to participate in the scheme.”
Waarom mogen die lawaaierige stinkende brommers wel blijven rijden? Achter dieselwagens fietsen valt best mee, maar als ge achter zo’n brommerke fietst wordt ge vergast.
Can someone explain me: we have delivery vans driving around. Diesel. Often we drive 250km a day in Belgium with several stops, traffic jams,…. How can we do that electrical with the current technology? Hope for better batteries, buy 2 vans per technician,…? Only large corporations will be able to function still in our business in this situation.
I avoid those cities like the plague with my car anyway. Park (or take a train) at a P+R, use public traffic to your end destination. Sucks for the residents and small businesses though.
When will they finally enforce a ban on those annoying scooters (bromfietsen)? Just only allow electrical ones to be sold new, the rest will die out slowly. If one passes you, you smell petrol for 5 minutes.
De Park&Rides brengen niet genoeg op, dus ze grijpen naar drastische maatregelen. Ik kijk er al naar uit om als appartementsbewoner (dus geen garage om zelf laadinstallatie te zetten) te kunnen kiezen om ofwel dagelijks naar mijn fossiele brandstof-auto te pendelen, ofwel uren naast mijn elektrische wagen te zitten in de hoop dat er een plekje bij één van de zeldzame laadpalen vrijkomt (want like fuck dat ze gaan zorgen dat er voldoende laadpalen zijn voor de honderdduizenden gebruikers dan).
It’s the greenbois again!!!
Ah no wait it’s n-va.
Vallen hybridewagens hier ook onder?
I don’t like this at all. This almost seems like the Flemish government trying to sabotage the low emission zones by making them so strict that Ghent and Antwerp will be forced to give them up entirely.
If we want cleaner air in cities, what we need more than anything is **larger** low emission zones. Especially the one in Ghent is ridiculously tiny, consisting almost entirely of low-traffic roads. Most pollution is caused by the busy R40 around the city centre, which is not in the LEZ. So inhabitants are forced to buy a modern, clean car, yet a few hundred metres away, every thirty year old diesel is allowed to drive circles around the city.
There was a plan to enlarge the LEZ, but it was cancelled because of public outcry. The last thing we need is to make the rules even more strict, as that would make enlargements even more politically impossible. Imagine people in Ghent having to buy electric vehicles (which are hard to charge for many people in the city centre who don’t have private parking) while euro 1 diesels pollute the air one street away.
And that brings me to the second point: electric cars make more sense in the suburbs. Their main advantage is CO2 reduction, which is global, not local. And as people in the suburbs tend to drive more than people in the city, the average electric car in the suburbs will lead to let’s say 30 000 km per year of electric driving, while in the city it might only be 10 000 km. Plus, in the suburbs most people have a driveway to charge their car. So using LEZs in cities to push electric cars is a weird choice.
It might even be counterproductive. Delivery times for electric cars are pretty long at the moment. Maybe this will improve by 2030, but if not, this law is pretty bad. If waiting times remain this long, a lot of people will buy fossil fuel cars, if at all possible. So imagine some guy in the suburb buying a polluting car for his daily 100 km commute, just so an old grandma in the city, who only uses her car for 10 km once a month, can buy an electric car because she can’t park anything else in her inner city garage.
Are electric cars the future? Sure, and the EU wants to ban the sale of new fossil fuel cars in 2035. So the last non-oldtimer fossil fuel cars will be on the road ten to twenty years later. That is a more realistic timeline for inner cities. Should electric cars be pushed before that? Yes! But in the suburbs, not in the city where the challenges are the greatest and the benefits the lowest.
If I’m given the option of an electric company car, you can be sure I will make use of it now, despite me being against the principle.
I will buy a horse, i’m done with playing each time our government wants to make one of the options evil by upping the prices for its usage. If you go electric now price of electricity will only climb same as gas and diesel in the past.
All I can say is GL with that.
I can’t see trucking and delivery without a fuel cell, you can’t just rely on li ion batteries if you want the change happen so quickly and yeah that hydrogen should be produced cleanly it is possible if enough money is thrown at it which will eventually happen.
Most issues can ve engineered away.
With the current energy crisis, why do they believe we’ll have enough electricity to charge these electrical cars?
Moreover, a lot of the bad air quality also comes from fijn stof, which comes from example from rubber tires that wear off on the concrete, propelling tiny rubber particles in the air. You’re not going to solve that with electric cars.
Just our luck that our public transport is so awesome, dependable and on time.
The ban on petrol cars in the cities is likely tied to the EU-wide ban on sales of cars running on either petrol or diesel within the EU starting from 2035.
Before then we will see a hike on taxes and other measures to move people away from cars using fossil fuels to alternatives. Remember that by 2050 the use ALL fossil fuels in all industries will be banned in the EU and by 2060 quite a few other countries around the world will join the ban. Since this is a massive undertaking, such measures are going to take years to have effect which is why they are starting with them nearly 30 years before the deadline.
I gotcha
Diesel cars will no longer be allowed in Antwerp and Ghent from 2031, gasoline cars will also be banned from 2035.
Les voitures diesel ne seront plus autorisées à Anvers et à Gand à partir de 2031, les voitures à essence seront également interdites à partir de 2035.