“Each of the 705 MPs (Members of Parliament) receives a gross monthly salary of 9,300 euros. Due to the low taxes they pay on this, the net conversion is about 7,300 euros. To this is added a monthly expense allowance of 4,400 euros. Finally, each MP also gets a daily allowance of 330 euros every time he or she is at work in Parliament – for meals and hotel stays, for example. The pain point is this flat-rate expense allowance: MPs are not required to account for it in any way. In total this amounts to 40 million euros annually for which there is no control.”
Tijdje geleden hier nog een discussie gehad over hoe de ongelooflijk hoge lonen in de politiek er zijn om corruptie tegen gaan.
Ik gok dat ze nu zouden zeggen dat die politiekers een flinke opslag verdienen?
Ik begrijp dat bepaalde mensen altijd geneigd zullen zijn om dit te doen. De controle in het EP is blijkbaar minimaal. Het is zelfs helemaal niet moeilijk om eraan te ontsnappen. Hoe is dat mogelijk?
Ge kunt ze beter heel goed betalen. Anders wordt er volgensmij nog meer gestolen
Jammer genoeg is er altijd en overal corruptie, op grote en kleine schaal. Zelfs in je eigen bedrijf/werk kan je zeker op tientallen voorbeelden komen van hoe er met bestellingen/contracten/aanwervingen gesjoemeld wordt, of er vriendjespolitiek of nepotisme is etc…
Het probleem dat velen, waaronder ikzelf, hebben is dat er geen gevoel van verantwoordelijkheid/accountability is. Wanneer zo’n zaken aan het licht komen lijken de ‘straffen’ ondermaats en gaat de boel gewoon vrolijk verder. Mogelijks met een kleine tik op de pols.
Dáár zit het grote probleem.
Misdaad in een maatschappij heb je jammer genoeg altijd. Of dat nu gaat over printerpapier pikken op het werk, handtassen stelen op de metro, jezelf en vrienden vooropschuiven bij vaccinaties, keukens bestellen met subsidies, of miljoenen verdienen aan omkooppraktijken. Er mag gewoon geen straffeloosheid zijn.
Het europees parlement kan van deze blammage iets positief maken door een ijzersterke straf en doorlichting te voeren in het parlement. Toon aan het volk dat het parlement geen ‘rijkelui club die boven alles staat’ is, maar een voorbeeld stelt voor andere organisaties.
Corruption exists because hierarchies of power exist.
Talking about this as if “amounts of money” is the key is a very… plebian way of talking about it.
The message is crafted specifically in a way that is intended for a reader who is not someone who is affected by larger scale of power. Someone who goes paycheck to paycheck and marvels a bit at these high monthly salaries.
But for those who actually move around in that system… those wages are common. They don’t view them as special. As something even worth thinking about.
Once you have it… it stops being special.
Corruption then becomes about “how do I move up on the ladder of power”. And more money certainly is a way. But not the only way.
That’s not to say corruption is an endemic. But it’s certainly not just about “high wages counter corruption”.
De grote criminelen dragen stropdassen, geen tattoo’s of baarden..
Corruption happens on all levels of society and government. Be glad these people can still be caught and tried. That said, it would be nice if the EU took the opportunity to check if it’s checks and balances are still in order
Years ago I was playing along in a huge role play event that involved multiple highly placed European MEP’s. The basic premise was that they were abroad and had to negotiate their way around enemy territory that was occupied by rebels. They were given some imaginery money that they could spend to gain info or trade in for other useful items along the way.
It started going wrong when they couldn’t figure out how to put on a basic bullet proof vest. One guy ended up putting his head through the arm opening and walked around like that for the rest of the day. Nobody bothered to correct him because it was hilarious.
A bit later the group of MEP’s got “abducted” and had to bribe the rebels in order to continue their path. The role player was a large firefighter and a pretty intimidating guy. He yelled at the MEP’s that if they didn’t want to bribe him that’d he be forced to shoot someone of their company. The MEP leader just laughed nervously when he was asked to pay the (low) bribe and told the rebel leader that he’d rather have someone shot of his company, ,which they did. Even the actors fell out of their role for a few seconds and were like ‘seriously?’.
That was over ten years ago but I distinctly remember it because i’ve yet to encounter a more out of touch group of people.
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“Each of the 705 MPs (Members of Parliament) receives a gross monthly salary of 9,300 euros. Due to the low taxes they pay on this, the net conversion is about 7,300 euros. To this is added a monthly expense allowance of 4,400 euros. Finally, each MP also gets a daily allowance of 330 euros every time he or she is at work in Parliament – for meals and hotel stays, for example. The pain point is this flat-rate expense allowance: MPs are not required to account for it in any way. In total this amounts to 40 million euros annually for which there is no control.”
Tijdje geleden hier nog een discussie gehad over hoe de ongelooflijk hoge lonen in de politiek er zijn om corruptie tegen gaan.
Ik gok dat ze nu zouden zeggen dat die politiekers een flinke opslag verdienen?
Ik begrijp dat bepaalde mensen altijd geneigd zullen zijn om dit te doen. De controle in het EP is blijkbaar minimaal. Het is zelfs helemaal niet moeilijk om eraan te ontsnappen. Hoe is dat mogelijk?
Ge kunt ze beter heel goed betalen. Anders wordt er volgensmij nog meer gestolen
Jammer genoeg is er altijd en overal corruptie, op grote en kleine schaal. Zelfs in je eigen bedrijf/werk kan je zeker op tientallen voorbeelden komen van hoe er met bestellingen/contracten/aanwervingen gesjoemeld wordt, of er vriendjespolitiek of nepotisme is etc…
Het probleem dat velen, waaronder ikzelf, hebben is dat er geen gevoel van verantwoordelijkheid/accountability is. Wanneer zo’n zaken aan het licht komen lijken de ‘straffen’ ondermaats en gaat de boel gewoon vrolijk verder. Mogelijks met een kleine tik op de pols.
Dáár zit het grote probleem.
Misdaad in een maatschappij heb je jammer genoeg altijd. Of dat nu gaat over printerpapier pikken op het werk, handtassen stelen op de metro, jezelf en vrienden vooropschuiven bij vaccinaties, keukens bestellen met subsidies, of miljoenen verdienen aan omkooppraktijken. Er mag gewoon geen straffeloosheid zijn.
Het europees parlement kan van deze blammage iets positief maken door een ijzersterke straf en doorlichting te voeren in het parlement. Toon aan het volk dat het parlement geen ‘rijkelui club die boven alles staat’ is, maar een voorbeeld stelt voor andere organisaties.
Corruption exists because hierarchies of power exist.
Talking about this as if “amounts of money” is the key is a very… plebian way of talking about it.
The message is crafted specifically in a way that is intended for a reader who is not someone who is affected by larger scale of power. Someone who goes paycheck to paycheck and marvels a bit at these high monthly salaries.
But for those who actually move around in that system… those wages are common. They don’t view them as special. As something even worth thinking about.
Once you have it… it stops being special.
Corruption then becomes about “how do I move up on the ladder of power”. And more money certainly is a way. But not the only way.
That’s not to say corruption is an endemic. But it’s certainly not just about “high wages counter corruption”.
Stop met hln artikels te posten, dank u
9 jaar oud maar [deze](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK8ue7-Shpc&t=5s&ab_channel=GeenStijl) en [de video over Brussel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPbNF1q_6tg&t=8s&ab_channel=GeenStijl) zijn hallucinant.
De grote criminelen dragen stropdassen, geen tattoo’s of baarden..
Corruption happens on all levels of society and government. Be glad these people can still be caught and tried. That said, it would be nice if the EU took the opportunity to check if it’s checks and balances are still in order
Years ago I was playing along in a huge role play event that involved multiple highly placed European MEP’s. The basic premise was that they were abroad and had to negotiate their way around enemy territory that was occupied by rebels. They were given some imaginery money that they could spend to gain info or trade in for other useful items along the way.
It started going wrong when they couldn’t figure out how to put on a basic bullet proof vest. One guy ended up putting his head through the arm opening and walked around like that for the rest of the day. Nobody bothered to correct him because it was hilarious.
A bit later the group of MEP’s got “abducted” and had to bribe the rebels in order to continue their path. The role player was a large firefighter and a pretty intimidating guy. He yelled at the MEP’s that if they didn’t want to bribe him that’d he be forced to shoot someone of their company. The MEP leader just laughed nervously when he was asked to pay the (low) bribe and told the rebel leader that he’d rather have someone shot of his company, ,which they did. Even the actors fell out of their role for a few seconds and were like ‘seriously?’.
That was over ten years ago but I distinctly remember it because i’ve yet to encounter a more out of touch group of people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/04/uk-at-centre-of-secret-3bn-azerbaijani-money-laundering-and-lobbying-scheme
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/01/29/german-parliament-takes-azerbaijan-corruption-seriously-finally
Many more articles of different cases across europe pop up with simple google search Azerbaijan Europe bribery
… and guess which dictatorship is Europe’s latest partner to rebrand and funnel russian gas?