Are you sure all those apartments are owner occupiers?
They are all for holiday makers but Malta is much more built up than Ireland
I lived in Madrid/Barcelona for years and it was staggering to me how many people raised their families in Apartments and were perfectly happy doing it. Our areas of the city were very kid friendly (playgrounds everywhere, schools were everywhere as were health centres etc). Kids were part of the city life
In ireland it’s looked down on to live in an apartment with a family – not the “done” thing – everyone wants their 3 bedroom slapped up semi however inconvenient it is to the life they lead (commute, having to use a car for everything etc)
It’s going to need a mind shift rather than just slapping up a 10 floor apartment building.
Considering Malta is a tax haven, I wonder how many of those are actually occupied.
Looks like sliema from the photo, if so it is a very built up area of both owners and rental apartments with loads of holiday let apartments mixed in too.
I agree that this is what our streets should look like though. Being on the continent and seeing 5/6 story blocks as routine is frustrating when you think about the backlash any sort of development gets here.
I would be fine with build to rent so long as the rents were reasonable i.e. half or less than what they are now and also the apartments were built to a standard where people can sleep and not hear every damn footstep upstairs and people are responsible for sharing the building so no random ones with like 20ppl living it blaring music. Sounds random but build anything like that now you can’t win,, in cork for example you’ll have one group screaming they should be for students, the next group for the homeless, the next group will say for home owners, the next group for social housing and some quiet group whispering it should be for private investment in order to raise standards or some shit 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Don’t envy people making the decisions but feel like we are plugging small holes and there’s no real plan for the next 50years and so much greed then anger from people. Think this is an opportune time for cork limerick and Galway if they can do something to provide people a decent standard of living and attract business outside Dublin but then sure all that’s happening in those cities is more student housing so I don’t have a clue 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Should…but won’t. Between people wanting houses and NIMBYism, there isn’t much of a hope for that here.
are u out of your mind? Malta? holy crap balls. its a fuckin nightmare over there. jesus wept
Exactly how does this photo demonstrate the negatives of build to rent?
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These ARE build to rent. You’ve shown us a photo of tourist accommodation.
Why do you assume none of these are build to rent? I’d hazard a guess Malta has more build to rent than Ireland does. Most of Europe would. Seems like an odd lesson to take from there
I don’t know of many other places in the world where build to rent is seen as a bad thing, seems to be a weird Irish attitude. I live in Toronto and the biggest complaint about housing here is that we don’t build enough build to rent and build too many owner occupied condo buildings. Build to rent is basically the main way to guarantee the units will be constantly occupied by people actually living in the area and are great for the rental market
Visited Malta a few months back and the sentiment is that these apartments are in the most built up and expensive part of Malta in Sliema. Ask any local they won’t share the same affection you have for these apartments, with many despairing at the scale of which they are built and the sheer amount of them. Malta is a beautiful country but these high rises would be considered a negative of the place.
Plus cost is relative, many Maltese can’t afford to move out of their homes as salaries are lower there than in Ireland, in fact many live with their parents until they are into their mid to late 20s
Flats will forever be associated with poverty and council housing and our backwords mindsets won’t change on it
But der is no space 4 my little angles trampoline
Would be great if more of that space was made available for public amenity also.
Go away. You’re talking too much sense.
Yeah and the minute someone tries they’ll be a rake of objections.
Yes this, but underground.
Not like that, their very poor buildings
My brother lives in St Julians. Malta is the very fucking last place in Europe we want to do things similar to. Ireland is a beacon of planning sensibilities compared to Malta.
No.
I’m Irish and live in Malta… trust me the quality of life is a lot better in Ireland compared to Malta. The minimum wage is €4.40 per hour here. Property costs about the same as Ireland, rents are soaring, groceries cost more here than in Ireland…. Get your facts right before making sweeping statements
Malta is the one place dodgier than the IFSC.
I live in Malta 7 months of the year. Its the perfect example of what would happen if some of the batshit suggestions in this sub were actually implemented – ban all objections, throw planning out the window, nimby this nimby that etc.
They’re only six or seven floors. Ireland needs decent apartment complexes with twenty floor buildings and amenities to service them. More spots for small businesses to open and have steady customers and half decent rent for the renters.
Those buildings are more than 3 floors, this would “ruin the view”
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Are you sure all those apartments are owner occupiers?
They are all for holiday makers but Malta is much more built up than Ireland
I lived in Madrid/Barcelona for years and it was staggering to me how many people raised their families in Apartments and were perfectly happy doing it. Our areas of the city were very kid friendly (playgrounds everywhere, schools were everywhere as were health centres etc). Kids were part of the city life
In ireland it’s looked down on to live in an apartment with a family – not the “done” thing – everyone wants their 3 bedroom slapped up semi however inconvenient it is to the life they lead (commute, having to use a car for everything etc)
It’s going to need a mind shift rather than just slapping up a 10 floor apartment building.
Considering Malta is a tax haven, I wonder how many of those are actually occupied.
Looks like sliema from the photo, if so it is a very built up area of both owners and rental apartments with loads of holiday let apartments mixed in too.
The place you are showing is Qui Si Sana in the Sliema part of Malta. The apartments beside the Sparkasse Bank are the townsquare apartments. They are going for 4.5k per month. https://www.simonmamo.com/en/home/webshop/8184/up-market-apartment-in-townsquare-qui-si-sana-with-4-bedrooms-and-3-bathrooms.htm
How do you know these aren’t built to rent?
I agree that this is what our streets should look like though. Being on the continent and seeing 5/6 story blocks as routine is frustrating when you think about the backlash any sort of development gets here.
I would be fine with build to rent so long as the rents were reasonable i.e. half or less than what they are now and also the apartments were built to a standard where people can sleep and not hear every damn footstep upstairs and people are responsible for sharing the building so no random ones with like 20ppl living it blaring music. Sounds random but build anything like that now you can’t win,, in cork for example you’ll have one group screaming they should be for students, the next group for the homeless, the next group will say for home owners, the next group for social housing and some quiet group whispering it should be for private investment in order to raise standards or some shit 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Don’t envy people making the decisions but feel like we are plugging small holes and there’s no real plan for the next 50years and so much greed then anger from people. Think this is an opportune time for cork limerick and Galway if they can do something to provide people a decent standard of living and attract business outside Dublin but then sure all that’s happening in those cities is more student housing so I don’t have a clue 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Should…but won’t. Between people wanting houses and NIMBYism, there isn’t much of a hope for that here.
are u out of your mind? Malta? holy crap balls. its a fuckin nightmare over there. jesus wept
Exactly how does this photo demonstrate the negatives of build to rent?
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These ARE build to rent. You’ve shown us a photo of tourist accommodation.
Why do you assume none of these are build to rent? I’d hazard a guess Malta has more build to rent than Ireland does. Most of Europe would. Seems like an odd lesson to take from there
I don’t know of many other places in the world where build to rent is seen as a bad thing, seems to be a weird Irish attitude. I live in Toronto and the biggest complaint about housing here is that we don’t build enough build to rent and build too many owner occupied condo buildings. Build to rent is basically the main way to guarantee the units will be constantly occupied by people actually living in the area and are great for the rental market
Visited Malta a few months back and the sentiment is that these apartments are in the most built up and expensive part of Malta in Sliema. Ask any local they won’t share the same affection you have for these apartments, with many despairing at the scale of which they are built and the sheer amount of them. Malta is a beautiful country but these high rises would be considered a negative of the place.
Plus cost is relative, many Maltese can’t afford to move out of their homes as salaries are lower there than in Ireland, in fact many live with their parents until they are into their mid to late 20s
Flats will forever be associated with poverty and council housing and our backwords mindsets won’t change on it
But der is no space 4 my little angles trampoline
Would be great if more of that space was made available for public amenity also.
Go away. You’re talking too much sense.
Yeah and the minute someone tries they’ll be a rake of objections.
Yes this, but underground.
Not like that, their very poor buildings
My brother lives in St Julians. Malta is the very fucking last place in Europe we want to do things similar to. Ireland is a beacon of planning sensibilities compared to Malta.
No.
I’m Irish and live in Malta… trust me the quality of life is a lot better in Ireland compared to Malta. The minimum wage is €4.40 per hour here. Property costs about the same as Ireland, rents are soaring, groceries cost more here than in Ireland…. Get your facts right before making sweeping statements
Malta is the one place dodgier than the IFSC.
I live in Malta 7 months of the year. Its the perfect example of what would happen if some of the batshit suggestions in this sub were actually implemented – ban all objections, throw planning out the window, nimby this nimby that etc.
https://instagram.com/uglymalta
That said, there’s no housing crisis.
A balance should be struck
They’re only six or seven floors. Ireland needs decent apartment complexes with twenty floor buildings and amenities to service them. More spots for small businesses to open and have steady customers and half decent rent for the renters.
Those buildings are more than 3 floors, this would “ruin the view”