Ze zijn een beetje aan het doordraaien in de EU zeker. Straks moet je miljonair zijn om je huis op te warmen.
Heb gisteren nog gelezen dat meer en meer mensen in Europa hondeneten aan het eten zijn omdat het goedkoper is.
De gemiddelde EU burger wordt armer met de dag, elektriciteit en verwarming zijn de duurste van de wereld, maar de EU doet maar door. Wanneer gaan die gekken zoals Timmermans stoppen? Als Europa een 3de wereld land is?
Are India or China making any commitments? Of course not. China hides behind their “we’re a developing country”. Not sure what India claims. Rather than go after them, or push them, do things like this.
This obsession with environmentalism will be a downfall of Europe.
So paying additional price just to have your home heated? This is becoming ridiculous.
Probleem is effectief dat de EU de wereldproblemen wilt oplossen, maar vergeet dat het grootste deel van de wereld NIET bij de EU hoort… Probleem ligt echt niet bij de gemiddelde Europese burger, maar dat ziet de elite natuurlijk niet. Het jammere aan de hele situatie is dat er niet veel meer opzit dan braafjes te blijven betalen en te blijven werken als slaven 🙄
Ach ja… Het kan altijd erger. Toch?
Ben ik mee akkoord als de accijnzen vervallen. Want anders is het gewoon weer een money grab.
Just build some freaking nuclear plants you idiots 😮💨
Het leven is nog niet duur genoeg, de middenklasse moet echt kapot. Daens 2.0
Nog even en coke is uit de mode. We sluizen dan pellets door de haven van Antwerpen voor een avondje warmte.
APAB
Shouldn’t they come with a plan to get to carbon neutrality?
A plan for european energy independance?
If they aren’t coming with alternatives. All this legislation is useless and just extra taxes.
Pushing people to lessen their carbon foorprint is good. But if the electricity (car, warmth pump…) is made with gas, coal… it defeats the point.
Edit: In any case people got the message. Even if energy costs normalise. Everybody i know is investing in their house.
Diene da zei “ge leeft allemaal boven jullie stand” gaat straks nog gelijk krijgen.
We’re gonna kill all of our countries by starvation way before global warming kills us at this rate. Everything is ALREADY too expensive for a lot of people. No other countries are making these kinds of commitment. Why should we?
Euractiv is reporting this tax will be applicable on gas, diesel, and heating fuels. In short, another big legislative push towards a Europe functioning on electricity. I’d be more enthusiastic if we actually had the means to generate the necessary electricity.
This is yet another reason to second guess buying a diesel/gas car or choosing not to invest in a heat pump while buying, building, or renovating.
“Nee meneer, ik heb geen houtstoof. Nee meneer, ge moogt niet binnen komen om te checken. Doei!”
Small prediction 2027: gillets jaunes in Brussels with guillotines.
Go home, Europa, you’re drunk.
Het principe is: ofwel betalen we nu meer voor de transitie, ofwel later nog veel meer. Het suckt, en we kunnen debatteren over politieke beslissingen, maar ik denk wel dat dat de wetenschappelijke samenvatting is.
Like how companies are taxed for the gasses they pump into the sky… right? RIGHT? /s
And leaving that aside… how exactly is that money going to lead a solution? People still need to transport.
What a liberal idea, to think we can just **purchase** clean air into existence.
Common people will be so fucked.
There was this graph on Reddit just a day or two ago about how the top 10% spent emissions than the poorest 10% did altogether. But my main takeaway was that the top 10% “only” emit 2.5x more per person than the poorest 10%, but likely earn 5-10x or are worth 100x as much.
Green taxes will kill the middle class and drive people to poverty. Anything worth living for will be a privilege of the elite again like travelling, warm homes, regular meat etc.
Binnenkort burgeroorlog
Thanks for liberal green anarchy fascism and scam
**EU legislators agreed early on Sunday (18 December) to introduce a carbon price on buildings and road transport fuels, with a new €87-billion social climate fund established in parallel to cushion the impact on households and help them invest in green solutions.**
The new carbon price will apply to petrol, diesel and heating fuels such as natural gas whose climate warming emissions have continued to rise over the years despite attempts to decarbonise.
This was arguably the most controversial issue in the negotiation to reform the EU’s Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), the biggest carbon market in the world and the bloc’s flagship climate policy instrument.
“The biggest challenge was ETS2,” said Peter Liese, a German lawmaker who represented the European Parliament in the two-day negotiation which started on Friday and concluded on Sunday morning (18 December).
Following marathon talks, negotiators agreed to start pricing the carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels in road transport and heating in 2027, with a price ceiling of €45 per tonne of carbon emitted that will apply until 2030.
The deal is “even bigger than envisioned by the European Commission,” Liese said, because it now includes “process heat” from industrial activities as well as office heating, which are included in the scope of the new scheme.
Agriculture and fisheries won’t have to pay the extra carbon cost because they are “sensitive” sectors, Liese admitted. Trains running on diesel are also out of the scope of the system and won’t see their carbon emissions taxed as a result.
**The new scheme will entail higher prices at the pump: up to 10.5 cents for a litre of petrol and 12 cents for diesel, according to a study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research.**
**Heating fuels like gas, heating oil and coal will see their prices increase as well, to the detriment of poorer EU member states, which rely more heavily on dirty fossil heaters.**
“Citizens in the EU must expect higher CO2 prices,” explained Michael Bloss, a Green lawmaker who took part in the final negotiations on the ETS.
**With the ongoing energy crisis, the new scheme could be delayed by a year, until 2028, if energy prices remain “exceptionally high”, the Parliament said in a statement.**
The provisional deal now needs to be confirmed by the EU member states and the European Parliament, which will hold a plenary vote in January or February.
**€87 billion Social Climate Fund**
Negotiations on the Emissions Trading Scheme for buildings and road transport – so-called ETS2 – dragged on until Sunday because of the political sensitivity of introducing what many will perceive as a new tax.
Pascal Canfin, the chairman of the Parliament’s environment committee had initially warned against the system, saying if was “politically suicidal” and risked triggering a Europe-wide movement similar to the Yellow Vests in France.
**Aware of the risk, legislators agreed to introduce a new Social Climate Fund, designed to shield EU households from rising fuel costs.**
Under the deal, the fund will amount to €87 billion and will be disbursed as of 2026, one year before the new carbon price starts applying. It will be financed by the revenues generated by the ETS2, with 25% of the funding coming from EU countries.
“The strict conditions that we have set … and in particular the introduction of a price ceiling price of €45 until at least 2030, makes the measure politically acceptable in my view,” Canfin said.
“This is a balanced deal that achieves the ambition we need in making the climate transition fairer and more just,” said David Casa, a Maltese MEP who negotiated the deal on behalf of the Parliament’s centre-right European People’s Party (EPP).
**EU countries will “have billions at their disposal” to benefit “vulnerable households and micro-enterprises,” Casa told EURACTIV.**
The funds will be effectively ringfenced, with a provision stating that ETS2 revenues that don’t directly go towards the social climate fund “shall be prioritised” to cushion the impact on vulnerable groups.
“The Social Climate Fund will help vulnerable households in the energy transition, for instance with insulation vouchers or moving towards greener transport options,” explained the EPP’s Esther de Lange, who co-negotiated the fund alongside Casa.
**Green politicians were more critical, though, saying the fund is “not sufficient to compensate for this burden,” according to Michael Bloss, a Green MEP.**
“The EU’s climate protection has an anti-social slant,” Bloss said.
Will it also ask people to pay for breathing out CO2 someday？
How about actually punishing industry for excessive emissions instead of taking their money and punishing regular people.
me: without both
There is [close to an economic consensus]( https://www.econstatement.org/) that a carbon tax like the ETS is one of the best policies against climate change so personally I’m happy with the proposal although I do see some room for improvement.
But I see a lot of people being vehemently against it, so I wonder what alternative policies would those opponents propose? (Keep in mind that the often heard “just build nuclear plants” is already covered by the ETS as it pushes electricity production away from coal and gas to low carbon sources like wind, solar and nuclear as they don’t need to pay ETS and have thus an advantage over gas/coal.)
It’s time the EU stops to exist and common sense will rule again.
Bumping natural gas prices after the Ukraine war related price hike. That’s going to go over well with people.
I’m rented. I can’t just upgrade my heating in the apartment. Neither will by landlord, because he’s not paying the gas bill. Thanks I guess.
In se is het een goed gedacht , maar niet iedereen woont in zijn eigen huis , en de verhuurder zal de huurprijs dan snel nog wat opdrijven .
RIP Europe
iedereen wordt gecatalogeerd door de onverkozenen. Dit is de spreekwoordelijke kikker in de stoofpot.
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Ze zijn een beetje aan het doordraaien in de EU zeker. Straks moet je miljonair zijn om je huis op te warmen.
Heb gisteren nog gelezen dat meer en meer mensen in Europa hondeneten aan het eten zijn omdat het goedkoper is.
De gemiddelde EU burger wordt armer met de dag, elektriciteit en verwarming zijn de duurste van de wereld, maar de EU doet maar door. Wanneer gaan die gekken zoals Timmermans stoppen? Als Europa een 3de wereld land is?
Are India or China making any commitments? Of course not. China hides behind their “we’re a developing country”. Not sure what India claims. Rather than go after them, or push them, do things like this.
This obsession with environmentalism will be a downfall of Europe.
So paying additional price just to have your home heated? This is becoming ridiculous.
Probleem is effectief dat de EU de wereldproblemen wilt oplossen, maar vergeet dat het grootste deel van de wereld NIET bij de EU hoort… Probleem ligt echt niet bij de gemiddelde Europese burger, maar dat ziet de elite natuurlijk niet. Het jammere aan de hele situatie is dat er niet veel meer opzit dan braafjes te blijven betalen en te blijven werken als slaven 🙄
Ach ja… Het kan altijd erger. Toch?
Ben ik mee akkoord als de accijnzen vervallen. Want anders is het gewoon weer een money grab.
Just build some freaking nuclear plants you idiots 😮💨
Het leven is nog niet duur genoeg, de middenklasse moet echt kapot. Daens 2.0
Nog even en coke is uit de mode. We sluizen dan pellets door de haven van Antwerpen voor een avondje warmte.
APAB
Shouldn’t they come with a plan to get to carbon neutrality?
A plan for european energy independance?
If they aren’t coming with alternatives. All this legislation is useless and just extra taxes.
Pushing people to lessen their carbon foorprint is good. But if the electricity (car, warmth pump…) is made with gas, coal… it defeats the point.
Edit: In any case people got the message. Even if energy costs normalise. Everybody i know is investing in their house.
Diene da zei “ge leeft allemaal boven jullie stand” gaat straks nog gelijk krijgen.
https://www.nu.nl/klimaat/6205308/europees-parlement-wil-co2-grensheffing-vanaf-2027-vervuiler-gaat-betalen.html
Note to self: become rich
We’re gonna kill all of our countries by starvation way before global warming kills us at this rate. Everything is ALREADY too expensive for a lot of people. No other countries are making these kinds of commitment. Why should we?
Euractiv is reporting this tax will be applicable on gas, diesel, and heating fuels. In short, another big legislative push towards a Europe functioning on electricity. I’d be more enthusiastic if we actually had the means to generate the necessary electricity.
This is yet another reason to second guess buying a diesel/gas car or choosing not to invest in a heat pump while buying, building, or renovating.
“Nee meneer, ik heb geen houtstoof. Nee meneer, ge moogt niet binnen komen om te checken. Doei!”
Small prediction 2027: gillets jaunes in Brussels with guillotines.
Go home, Europa, you’re drunk.
Het principe is: ofwel betalen we nu meer voor de transitie, ofwel later nog veel meer. Het suckt, en we kunnen debatteren over politieke beslissingen, maar ik denk wel dat dat de wetenschappelijke samenvatting is.
Like how companies are taxed for the gasses they pump into the sky… right? RIGHT? /s
And leaving that aside… how exactly is that money going to lead a solution? People still need to transport.
What a liberal idea, to think we can just **purchase** clean air into existence.
Common people will be so fucked.
There was this graph on Reddit just a day or two ago about how the top 10% spent emissions than the poorest 10% did altogether. But my main takeaway was that the top 10% “only” emit 2.5x more per person than the poorest 10%, but likely earn 5-10x or are worth 100x as much.
Green taxes will kill the middle class and drive people to poverty. Anything worth living for will be a privilege of the elite again like travelling, warm homes, regular meat etc.
Binnenkort burgeroorlog
Thanks for liberal green anarchy fascism and scam
**EU legislators agreed early on Sunday (18 December) to introduce a carbon price on buildings and road transport fuels, with a new €87-billion social climate fund established in parallel to cushion the impact on households and help them invest in green solutions.**
The new carbon price will apply to petrol, diesel and heating fuels such as natural gas whose climate warming emissions have continued to rise over the years despite attempts to decarbonise.
This was arguably the most controversial issue in the negotiation to reform the EU’s Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), the biggest carbon market in the world and the bloc’s flagship climate policy instrument.
“The biggest challenge was ETS2,” said Peter Liese, a German lawmaker who represented the European Parliament in the two-day negotiation which started on Friday and concluded on Sunday morning (18 December).
Following marathon talks, negotiators agreed to start pricing the carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels in road transport and heating in 2027, with a price ceiling of €45 per tonne of carbon emitted that will apply until 2030.
The deal is “even bigger than envisioned by the European Commission,” Liese said, because it now includes “process heat” from industrial activities as well as office heating, which are included in the scope of the new scheme.
Agriculture and fisheries won’t have to pay the extra carbon cost because they are “sensitive” sectors, Liese admitted. Trains running on diesel are also out of the scope of the system and won’t see their carbon emissions taxed as a result.
**The new scheme will entail higher prices at the pump: up to 10.5 cents for a litre of petrol and 12 cents for diesel, according to a study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research.**
**Heating fuels like gas, heating oil and coal will see their prices increase as well, to the detriment of poorer EU member states, which rely more heavily on dirty fossil heaters.**
“Citizens in the EU must expect higher CO2 prices,” explained Michael Bloss, a Green lawmaker who took part in the final negotiations on the ETS.
**With the ongoing energy crisis, the new scheme could be delayed by a year, until 2028, if energy prices remain “exceptionally high”, the Parliament said in a statement.**
The provisional deal now needs to be confirmed by the EU member states and the European Parliament, which will hold a plenary vote in January or February.
**€87 billion Social Climate Fund**
Negotiations on the Emissions Trading Scheme for buildings and road transport – so-called ETS2 – dragged on until Sunday because of the political sensitivity of introducing what many will perceive as a new tax.
Pascal Canfin, the chairman of the Parliament’s environment committee had initially warned against the system, saying if was “politically suicidal” and risked triggering a Europe-wide movement similar to the Yellow Vests in France.
**Aware of the risk, legislators agreed to introduce a new Social Climate Fund, designed to shield EU households from rising fuel costs.**
Under the deal, the fund will amount to €87 billion and will be disbursed as of 2026, one year before the new carbon price starts applying. It will be financed by the revenues generated by the ETS2, with 25% of the funding coming from EU countries.
“The strict conditions that we have set … and in particular the introduction of a price ceiling price of €45 until at least 2030, makes the measure politically acceptable in my view,” Canfin said.
“This is a balanced deal that achieves the ambition we need in making the climate transition fairer and more just,” said David Casa, a Maltese MEP who negotiated the deal on behalf of the Parliament’s centre-right European People’s Party (EPP).
**EU countries will “have billions at their disposal” to benefit “vulnerable households and micro-enterprises,” Casa told EURACTIV.**
The funds will be effectively ringfenced, with a provision stating that ETS2 revenues that don’t directly go towards the social climate fund “shall be prioritised” to cushion the impact on vulnerable groups.
“The Social Climate Fund will help vulnerable households in the energy transition, for instance with insulation vouchers or moving towards greener transport options,” explained the EPP’s Esther de Lange, who co-negotiated the fund alongside Casa.
**Green politicians were more critical, though, saying the fund is “not sufficient to compensate for this burden,” according to Michael Bloss, a Green MEP.**
“The EU’s climate protection has an anti-social slant,” Bloss said.
Will it also ask people to pay for breathing out CO2 someday？
How about actually punishing industry for excessive emissions instead of taking their money and punishing regular people.
me: without both
There is [close to an economic consensus]( https://www.econstatement.org/) that a carbon tax like the ETS is one of the best policies against climate change so personally I’m happy with the proposal although I do see some room for improvement.
But I see a lot of people being vehemently against it, so I wonder what alternative policies would those opponents propose? (Keep in mind that the often heard “just build nuclear plants” is already covered by the ETS as it pushes electricity production away from coal and gas to low carbon sources like wind, solar and nuclear as they don’t need to pay ETS and have thus an advantage over gas/coal.)
It’s time the EU stops to exist and common sense will rule again.
Bumping natural gas prices after the Ukraine war related price hike. That’s going to go over well with people.
I’m rented. I can’t just upgrade my heating in the apartment. Neither will by landlord, because he’s not paying the gas bill. Thanks I guess.
In se is het een goed gedacht , maar niet iedereen woont in zijn eigen huis , en de verhuurder zal de huurprijs dan snel nog wat opdrijven .
RIP Europe
iedereen wordt gecatalogeerd door de onverkozenen. Dit is de spreekwoordelijke kikker in de stoofpot.