It is a silly plan, in fairness. And it’s likely to backfire. All of the other parties will point out that you can’t have a de facto referendum until the SNP fail to secure a majority and then they’ll say the matter is clearly settled.
Same way that Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories campaigned on the fact that voting for them would prevent a Scottish referendum and then after they lost they claimed that the SNP don’t have a mandate for one anyway.
Duplicitous wanks, one and all.
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Labour Party that swallowed the ukip manafesto to leave a union refuses to accept another party’s manafesto to leave a union.
Even if the SNP declare it a defacto-referendum on their own and win, it means *nothing* because the UK Government has no onus to offer a referendum.
Polling is unsteady for them and they’re increasingly threatened by Labour’s national polling, as some projections on the 2023 boundary changes show the SNP losing anywhere between 6 and 22 seats, to Labour.
Scotland shouldn’t be forced to remain in the UK, but this is balls. The process or leaving isn’t a fruit machine you can just keep feeding coins to.
I hope the Scottish get their independence if that is what the people really want. I find this whole dynamic confusing though. The SNP portrays Scotland as a diverse, internationalist and welcoming country, basically not nationalist. However, independence is being sold on Scottish Nationalism and that it will not be great until it throws off the shackles of the Union.
I would also add that there are two contradictory points being made to further independence, ‘being part of a Union is a bad thing because we can stand on our own’ and ‘we should be part of another Union to be all that we can be’.
Just call it a non binding advisory referendum and then do whatever you want.
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It is a silly plan, in fairness. And it’s likely to backfire. All of the other parties will point out that you can’t have a de facto referendum until the SNP fail to secure a majority and then they’ll say the matter is clearly settled.
Same way that Scottish Labour and Scottish Tories campaigned on the fact that voting for them would prevent a Scottish referendum and then after they lost they claimed that the SNP don’t have a mandate for one anyway.
Duplicitous wanks, one and all.
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Labour Party that swallowed the ukip manafesto to leave a union refuses to accept another party’s manafesto to leave a union.
Even if the SNP declare it a defacto-referendum on their own and win, it means *nothing* because the UK Government has no onus to offer a referendum.
Polling is unsteady for them and they’re increasingly threatened by Labour’s national polling, as some projections on the 2023 boundary changes show the SNP losing anywhere between 6 and 22 seats, to Labour.
So you’ll see the SNP stepping up the attacks on Labour and Starmer, which means you’ll see more silly points like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/zex3sk/comment/iz8zuhh/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Scotland shouldn’t be forced to remain in the UK, but this is balls. The process or leaving isn’t a fruit machine you can just keep feeding coins to.
I hope the Scottish get their independence if that is what the people really want. I find this whole dynamic confusing though. The SNP portrays Scotland as a diverse, internationalist and welcoming country, basically not nationalist. However, independence is being sold on Scottish Nationalism and that it will not be great until it throws off the shackles of the Union.
I would also add that there are two contradictory points being made to further independence, ‘being part of a Union is a bad thing because we can stand on our own’ and ‘we should be part of another Union to be all that we can be’.
Just call it a non binding advisory referendum and then do whatever you want.