Mavroyannis supposedly is a “progressive green” and yet we should use natural gas ? As a progressive green my self I don’t agree. Let it stay where it is and make more windmills in the sea.
Mavroyannis supposedly is a “progressive green” and yet we should use natural gas ? As a progressive green my self I don’t agree. Let it stay where it is and make more windmills in the sea.
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Translation:
“The resolution of the Cyprus issue will multiply the economic potential of the country. So is tackling corruption. In this direction, we must focus on exploiting natural gas and regaining our credibility.”
The world cannot move to renewable sources overnight. Europe is reliant on natural gas from Russia and now the EU is looking for alternative sources. What he means is that we we should use that to our advantage to solve the Cyprus problem. That does not mean that we should not be moving towards renewable energy. Also the gas is not going to be used by Cyprus.
Typically you can’t have a power grid fed only with renewables. Nuclear/coal/hydrocarbon can be easily adjusted for when the power demand is high or low and you can have them on demand. If your power source is, say, only wind, then on a windy day you are golden. You will cover all your needs and export the surplus. But on a non windy day, you are screwed. Even if you have lots of batteries and even ocean batteries to store energy from windy days, it’s not realistic to rely only on them. Most countries will opt for a mix of energy sources. For Greece at least, replacing lignite with NG would have been a big environmental improvement (I think CO2 emissions are nearly halved).
Every progressive green pushing for solar energy seems to forget about nights and winters. It’s cool to be progressive and green when you don’t understand how energy is generated and stored and what the demand is.
The progressive green switched off their nuclear reactors in Sweden, promising good environment and stable pricing, but in reality the price of electricity shot up from €0.05 to €0.6-€0.8 per kW*h in some parts of the country during peak times, the government is talking blackouts to conserve power because there may be not enough of it in winter, and people are buying firewood and generators because they fear that they won’t be able to afford heating this winter when it gets cold.
Let’s learn from populist mistakes in Cyprus and not repeat them by stupidly going all green and then realizing that we cannot sustain our society that way.
Yeah but to make more wind turbines you need to burn fossil fuels. Also to go full green we will need huge battery banks to store all the energy for distribution at peak hours. It sounds like a noble goal but do we have the capital as a small county?
Well it’s better than Mazout. Baby steps guys, baby steps
I’m in the same boat as you on this issue.
It is also true though that natural gas causes less pollution both in greenhouse gases and in particulates (known to be carcinogens) for the same amount of energy production. This makes it an improvement (not ideal) compare to what we have right now even considering environmental reasons alone.
Outside environmental reason it will likely cheapen electric energy. Also in Mavrogiannis mind it will function as a leverage for the solution of the Cyprus problem. Whether that is reasonable is up to everybody’s judgment.
330 days a year are sunny
barely any wind 10 months a year
still builds wind turbines for green energy
Turbines here aren’t a good source of energy, and it was known long ago, for example here’s a report from 2009 https://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/europes-onshore-and-offshore-wind-energy-potential
“Green energy” is a pipe dream. There’s a good reason renewable energy expansion has gone hand in hand with natural gas consumption growth.
If you want to envision what the future’s energy landscape will look like imagine draft animals pulling machinery.
[Use the money from gas to build tidal power generators](https://actionrenewables.co.uk/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-tidal-energy/)
IF they natural gas can facilitate the negotiation process for the cyprob it would be stupid not to take advantage of it. The world can survive Cyprus mining for natural gas, how long can Cyprus survive without a solution?
(On a similar note, Cyprus Greens were also threonly Green party supporting mining natural gas and transfering it with gas pipes. Not sure if that remains the position)
Don’t know if you heard it: EU wants to install solar panels in the UN Bufferzone so that both communities can benefit for them. We will see how it goes(Tatar only accepts their installation if it’s an agreement between the ‘two states in Cyprus’
you dont get it… go read about the power infrastructure…
renewable energy is not considant, at the current state of technology you need a consistent “backup”
natural gas is the most ecco freandly consistent energy source.
“but what about batteries” you ask.batteries are shit, cost to much and hard to make, is the short asnwer.
when they “fix” the battery issue then renewable energy can take over, but we are not there yet.
And how are off-shore wind turbines going to help us, do you know how much concrete they use for those things and how CO2 it produces?
It’s nice to think renewables don’t generate GHGs while in operation, but what about mining, production, transportation and infrastructure? They way to go in Cyprus is nuclear, but I know this is a long shot, so I am fine with NG and putting a green facade with solar/wind farms.
Some [Green Energy Suggestions](https://neokyma.org.cy/policy/viomichania-energeia-kai-toyrismos/) made by Christofides. Do the other candidates also have such detailed energy plans, or are they being the usual demagogues? If someone knows please share links. Because it seems to me that any claims made on how to take advanage of natural gas resources without a solid plan are baseless. It’s been 10 years already and there’s very little progress, how will Mavroyiannis suddenly salvage the cypriot population and provide us with ng. All I hear from him, is we need to provide … we need to change… HOW???
Or, I don’t know. Maybe, solar panels? You know. Because of the sun? But I’m not an energy specialist.
It’s not possible to rely exclusively on “renewable” energy sources anywhere on the planet at the moment, unless you have nuclear but that is another conversation. This is even more prominent on an island where you can’t just connect to the grid of your neighboring country over night in case of an emergency, we felt this first hand after the accident at Mari in 2011. You can’t just switch off the current infrastructure and completely rely on photovoltaic parks or wind turbines without a back up plan in case the generation from your “greener” options is not enough for the demand of your grid.
Natural gas is better than mazut currently used by AHK, so on that basis I would say what Mr. Mavroyiannis suggests here is a green, or greener if you will, solution for Cyprus given how far behind we are in terms of energy production.
Green energy = Green horses.
Only way to go partial “green” is nuclear energy
As a side note, a conference organised by the Economist is bound to include nonsensical arguments. When was it the last time that the Economist was successful in predicting or analysing something correctly? The Daily Mail has been more successful, at least in the last decade (seriously).