Hadn’t seen what junior doctors make broken down to hourly before. 13 quid an hour is criminal. Lidl and Aldi pay better than that to stock shelves.
The only anger here is at government ineptitude..
If you could leave your job for a 500% payrise for only a small amount of uncertainty and a lot less stress, wouldn’t you?
The title is pure divisive clickbait. It’s incredibly disingenuous to compare locum doctor rates to salaried nurses rates. Nurse locums make very good money too.
But nobody is complaining about locum money – both nurses and junior doctors are complaining about their salaried pay (rightfully so). And salaried junior doctors have had a 30% pay cut in real terms over the past decade or so. And we all know about the insulting abysmal pay for salaried nurses.
People who are trying to pit nurses against doctors need to stop. It’s a toxic right wing media trick and it won’t work. Nurses and doctors know who the real enemy is, and it’s not one other (the odd tiktok video aside…). It’s the political system who refuse to fund the NHS properly to the point that the system is at breaking point – a government who refuses time after time to pay these health professionals what they are worth. It’s the brainless clickbait media who publish bullshit like this to distract from the real issues.
Doctors and nurses largely stand together on this issue – so take your divisive bullshit elsewhere.
Also the only reason these locum shifts are so lucrative is because people are leaving the NHS like rats deserting a sinking ship, which creates multiple gaps in rosters that need to be filled. If you make working pay and conditions more attractive for salaried workers then this won’t be a huge issue..the demand for locums will drop. You can hardly blame someone for quitting for better pay in the locum world when the alternative is being used as service provision for terrible pay and conditions….
Well pay the junior doctors their worth and they won’t go agency to find it. Locum where you pay them that worth and a retaining fee.
Anger as workers are paid at the fair market rate. Lol.
This is a mess entirely of the Government’s making, and it’s obvious to everyone that they’re working with their friends in the media to try to shift the blame onto someone, *anyone* else. Utter cowardice, and after 12 years, frankly boring.
I’m in medical school, and in a few years I’ll be a doctor.
That’s thousands of hours studying anatomy, cell biology, examinations, lab interpretation, radiology interpretation, communication skills and being ridiculed by individuals more advanced in their career (medical school is fuelled by bullying, but that’s another topic for another day) all to save people’s lives and/or ease suffering.
When I graduate, I’ll earn less than my friend with 4 GCSEs who works in Tesco.
I’m not saying my friend should earn less, I want what is owed to us. We sacrifice our teens and 20’s getting our foot into the field and then dedicate every day to advancing human health, but sure, give us a 30% paycut in less than a decade.
Don’t let these click-bait titles get you, locum nurses earn just as much. But we shouldn’t have locum doctors, we should be paying their salary to contracted doctors and then they’ll have incentive to stay – thus removing the need for locums in the first place, freeing their salary for 2 doctors.
I didn’t become a doctor for the money. I graduated undergraduate with a First Class Law degree, I could easily be earning in the top 5% of my age now as a solicitor, but I wanted to help people. But I can’t do that if I can’t afford to survive.
Each day I get closer to graduating, I get more terrified. I’m going to have people’s live’s in my hands, yet I’m going to be paid less than a call-centre worker. All it takes is 1 small mistake and that’s someone dead, how are doctors supposed to avoid those mistakes if they’re working 80 hour weeks, can’t afford to put their heating on or buy nutritious food?
Junior doctors are mocked by our government.
I know a lot of doctors and nurse’s who use agency’s for higher paid work/ I wonder what would happen if the Government banned agency workers in the NHS altogether? Would they then accept full time jobs in the NHS rather than been out of work. The whole agency system is basically screwing the NHS.
Great, privatise and allow us to sue them out of existence when they try kill us
“Nurses and Doctors paid poorly, except when they aren’t.”
The large sums that can be earned locuming should be taken into account during the wage debate, but I’ve seen very little of it.
Surely that is capitalism at work? The Right wing LBC should be pleased.
As an aside, I’m not looking forward to Wes Streeting being in government. He seems like a total prat.
There was an article in the dailymail almost exactly the same as this. Typical nurses are striking so lets dig something out to rile people up. It’s low tier dirt anyway, these doctors and nurses are operating within the system so I dont see the problem.
It’s a classic example of how creative budgeting and book keeping can mask a wider problem.
Because locums are regarded as a contingency, it looks like trusts are spending less on wages.
Please, let’s look on the brightside.
This bullshit nonsense by the media that’s trying to undermine the strike and rid them of public support isn’t working.
We used to lap this shit up and fight among each other, this is the start of the public showing its not going to waver in support of nurses no matter what they try to peddle us.
The first I’ve seen of it, and definitely not the last.
Great timing before we strike.
Either way I cant wait to locum.
Why are so many of these “influencers” worthy of earning a hall of fame award in /r/punchableface?
People should be angry locum doctors make more than from the NHS, not that doctors are leaving for higher wages.
Welcome to capitalism. If you pay junior doctors so little that giving up job security for contract roles increases their salary more than four fold, you’ve goofed your pay system completely.
I’d like to read ”Locum Doctors Donate Percentage Of Earnings To Fellow Underpaid NHS Staff”
If you want less people to locum you hire and retain more doctors and nurses (by increasing their pay) so that you have less critical care shifts you have to hite an agency nurse or doctor for.
Can’t believe I have to explain supply and demand to the “”party of fiscal responsibility””
The title is so weird and so different to the actual article
I thought employed people weren’t allowed to use food banks?
NHS nurses average pay, £33,384. Doubt many of them need foodbanks.
This is why I say the Govt/NHS can afford to pay us more, they just don’t want to pay substantive staff and individual hospitals will carry on paying huge agency fees on top of locums/agency nurses who bear no responsibility after their shift, which is the other reason they do it as well as the dosh, leading to more strain for existing staff.
Locums= agency go at short notice to fill in where there is a shortage – it is not easy & as a nurse I can do agency work if i choose and make more &£ but its not an easy thing to do – you have to work to a certain standard often somewhere you have never been to before
If anyone in this thread is truly outraged please put pen to paper and write to your mp, especially if they are a tory
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Hadn’t seen what junior doctors make broken down to hourly before. 13 quid an hour is criminal. Lidl and Aldi pay better than that to stock shelves.
The only anger here is at government ineptitude..
If you could leave your job for a 500% payrise for only a small amount of uncertainty and a lot less stress, wouldn’t you?
The title is pure divisive clickbait. It’s incredibly disingenuous to compare locum doctor rates to salaried nurses rates. Nurse locums make very good money too.
But nobody is complaining about locum money – both nurses and junior doctors are complaining about their salaried pay (rightfully so). And salaried junior doctors have had a 30% pay cut in real terms over the past decade or so. And we all know about the insulting abysmal pay for salaried nurses.
People who are trying to pit nurses against doctors need to stop. It’s a toxic right wing media trick and it won’t work. Nurses and doctors know who the real enemy is, and it’s not one other (the odd tiktok video aside…). It’s the political system who refuse to fund the NHS properly to the point that the system is at breaking point – a government who refuses time after time to pay these health professionals what they are worth. It’s the brainless clickbait media who publish bullshit like this to distract from the real issues.
Doctors and nurses largely stand together on this issue – so take your divisive bullshit elsewhere.
Also the only reason these locum shifts are so lucrative is because people are leaving the NHS like rats deserting a sinking ship, which creates multiple gaps in rosters that need to be filled. If you make working pay and conditions more attractive for salaried workers then this won’t be a huge issue..the demand for locums will drop. You can hardly blame someone for quitting for better pay in the locum world when the alternative is being used as service provision for terrible pay and conditions….
Well pay the junior doctors their worth and they won’t go agency to find it. Locum where you pay them that worth and a retaining fee.
Anger as workers are paid at the fair market rate. Lol.
This is a mess entirely of the Government’s making, and it’s obvious to everyone that they’re working with their friends in the media to try to shift the blame onto someone, *anyone* else. Utter cowardice, and after 12 years, frankly boring.
I’m in medical school, and in a few years I’ll be a doctor.
That’s thousands of hours studying anatomy, cell biology, examinations, lab interpretation, radiology interpretation, communication skills and being ridiculed by individuals more advanced in their career (medical school is fuelled by bullying, but that’s another topic for another day) all to save people’s lives and/or ease suffering.
When I graduate, I’ll earn less than my friend with 4 GCSEs who works in Tesco.
I’m not saying my friend should earn less, I want what is owed to us. We sacrifice our teens and 20’s getting our foot into the field and then dedicate every day to advancing human health, but sure, give us a 30% paycut in less than a decade.
Don’t let these click-bait titles get you, locum nurses earn just as much. But we shouldn’t have locum doctors, we should be paying their salary to contracted doctors and then they’ll have incentive to stay – thus removing the need for locums in the first place, freeing their salary for 2 doctors.
I didn’t become a doctor for the money. I graduated undergraduate with a First Class Law degree, I could easily be earning in the top 5% of my age now as a solicitor, but I wanted to help people. But I can’t do that if I can’t afford to survive.
Each day I get closer to graduating, I get more terrified. I’m going to have people’s live’s in my hands, yet I’m going to be paid less than a call-centre worker. All it takes is 1 small mistake and that’s someone dead, how are doctors supposed to avoid those mistakes if they’re working 80 hour weeks, can’t afford to put their heating on or buy nutritious food?
Junior doctors are mocked by our government.
I know a lot of doctors and nurse’s who use agency’s for higher paid work/ I wonder what would happen if the Government banned agency workers in the NHS altogether? Would they then accept full time jobs in the NHS rather than been out of work. The whole agency system is basically screwing the NHS.
Great, privatise and allow us to sue them out of existence when they try kill us
“Nurses and Doctors paid poorly, except when they aren’t.”
The large sums that can be earned locuming should be taken into account during the wage debate, but I’ve seen very little of it.
Surely that is capitalism at work? The Right wing LBC should be pleased.
As an aside, I’m not looking forward to Wes Streeting being in government. He seems like a total prat.
There was an article in the dailymail almost exactly the same as this. Typical nurses are striking so lets dig something out to rile people up. It’s low tier dirt anyway, these doctors and nurses are operating within the system so I dont see the problem.
It’s a classic example of how creative budgeting and book keeping can mask a wider problem.
Because locums are regarded as a contingency, it looks like trusts are spending less on wages.
Please, let’s look on the brightside.
This bullshit nonsense by the media that’s trying to undermine the strike and rid them of public support isn’t working.
We used to lap this shit up and fight among each other, this is the start of the public showing its not going to waver in support of nurses no matter what they try to peddle us.
The first I’ve seen of it, and definitely not the last.
Great timing before we strike.
Either way I cant wait to locum.
Why are so many of these “influencers” worthy of earning a hall of fame award in /r/punchableface?
People should be angry locum doctors make more than from the NHS, not that doctors are leaving for higher wages.
Welcome to capitalism. If you pay junior doctors so little that giving up job security for contract roles increases their salary more than four fold, you’ve goofed your pay system completely.
I’d like to read ”Locum Doctors Donate Percentage Of Earnings To Fellow Underpaid NHS Staff”
If you want less people to locum you hire and retain more doctors and nurses (by increasing their pay) so that you have less critical care shifts you have to hite an agency nurse or doctor for.
Can’t believe I have to explain supply and demand to the “”party of fiscal responsibility””
The title is so weird and so different to the actual article
I thought employed people weren’t allowed to use food banks?
NHS nurses average pay, £33,384. Doubt many of them need foodbanks.
This is why I say the Govt/NHS can afford to pay us more, they just don’t want to pay substantive staff and individual hospitals will carry on paying huge agency fees on top of locums/agency nurses who bear no responsibility after their shift, which is the other reason they do it as well as the dosh, leading to more strain for existing staff.
Locums= agency go at short notice to fill in where there is a shortage – it is not easy & as a nurse I can do agency work if i choose and make more &£ but its not an easy thing to do – you have to work to a certain standard often somewhere you have never been to before
If anyone in this thread is truly outraged please put pen to paper and write to your mp, especially if they are a tory