If only there was some sort of government in charge of this. /s
Just realised as it’s text it’s not clear I’m not being serious.
Way too many small time buy to let landlords in the UK. Some of whom don’t give two shits about their tenants as long as they’re paying the mortgage and they get their future property pension.
Shame the government didn’t pass that bill that would make sure homes had to to a good standard for renting. Could have been useful.
Sort it out…. Or what? There seems to be little power over private rented accommodation.
Wonder how many of the homes rented out by Tory mps and Tory donors are up to standard. A country run by landlords is absolutely terrible for everyone
But I thought landlords were saints who provide housing out of the goodness of their hearts and were not at all a bunch of greedy assoles who thieve the wages of captive tenants?
Unless they’re “told” via legislation I couldn’t give a fuck.
The political mainstream sphere is slowly turning to address the issues facing people younger than 45 that it has ignored for the past 20 years.
But even still, rather than FULLY address the issues, they’re still in that baby-step phase of throwing meaningless platitudes at us to win over the malleable & dim.
honestly fucking unreal that we still have a Tory govt (and that our opposition has to pander so hard to people who might otherwise vote Tory), given how fucking shite life is for the actual working-age population.
Get a grip? Lol what?
Making homes they own liveable shouls be the law, punishable by jail time.
Landlords nod in agreement and go back to counting bank notes
Perhaps we should reduce the conduction of the materials used in the housing of this great nation. If only some group had been pushing this narrative. Hopefully with a shorter, 2 word name.
The obvious way to solve it imo is to bring in a national licensing scheme directly funded by a modest tax on rental income or a fee per property owned. A government with the will to do it could solve a whole range of issues with the sector for both landlords & tenants. Some councils already operate licensing schemes but it seems distinctly amateur and replicates effort multiple times that could be centralised.
I am a landlord and it upsets me when potential tenants come to view the house, they have to check essentials like water pressure, heating and toilet flushing. I think there should be a minimum rental standard. A repair response within 24hr should be mandatory. At least arrange it with a tradesperson to get things sorted, have a date set. I get it that there is a shortage of tradespeople. But some sort of contact should be established within 24hr. Many estate agents are poor property manager. They only care about the fees. They don’t have out of hours contact and don’t sort things out within 24hr.
Every landlord and property manager should give the tenants a list of 24/7 emergency contact if things go wrong. They would have good connection with local tradespeople.
As a long term LL, I want the issues to be sorted ASAP too.
The slum LL I know don’t have the means to carry out repair. They keep delaying it, evict the person, and get new tenants in. The cycle continues.
No heating – should provide temporary accommodation.
No hot water – access to a local gym as a minimum.
No washing machine – pay for a local launderette.
As if anyone gives a shit about the renters. A single person on a good salary can’t even afford to live alone, you think they care how we feel or if we die of negligence
Damn, I thought this was in r/NewZealand for a moment.
Welcome to shit rentals. If you need any guidance we’re happy to help. We’ve got decades of experience. 😛
I have a few thoughts on this as a landlord all be not renting to private sector per say
I have rented to students and now asylum seekers.
If you allow the single biggest investment and in my case my pension to fall into disrepair your an idiot.
I’m staggered to see people do it. It makes zero sense the actual worse case is your house has no tenants. I’ve read a few stories on here about landlords kicking out tenants after 10 years of no hassle pay on time renting in order to try and get a couple of hundred more a month. I would suggest if your doing that to attempt to cover the mortgage your a poor business person and should probably sell up.
Lastly if your willing to allow people to live in a way your personally not willing to not only are you a shit landlord but I would suggest a shit human.
Push forward with the epc c or no rent idea that will weed out a lot of the chancers.
No wonder this sub hates us.
Edit I see the downvotes have started. I can only guess from fellow landlords doing what I mentioned above? Or not wanting to spend money to get the epc up.
Got mold and had a smashed window for well over 6 months here :^) Won’t do anything about the window because only 1 sheet of the double glazing as smashed instead of both.
If you want to enforce standards, you’ll need to pay folk to check the properties. This will cost money. The government won’t give any money. This will not be done. Hand wringing, fingers pointed, last labour Government, 3 weeks of headlines, 3 months of editorials, 3 hoots given.
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Unless the act of telling landlords to get a grip is properly enforcing current legislation, while making some harsh examples of bad actors, it’s just sentiment politics.
Something as critical to the fundamental fabric of the country as the provision of homes for people should be governed a lot better than it is today.
We should have some sort of charter status for landlords that requires professional accreditation, and the accountability that goes with it. Breaches of code should be dealt with harshly, including unlimited fines and custodial sentences.
How about if a landlord is found to be letting out a property that fails health and safety livability standards, they lose the property and it goes into a pool of affordable housing owned by the government?
That should offer enough incentive to make sure they aren’t just skirting the line or flat-out not bothering to provide safe housing, but actively err on the side of making their properties safer and nicer than the bare legal minimum.
Also, if a two year-old kid **dies** in your property because of toxic mould you were warned about by the tenants, you should be on the hook for negligent manslaughter at the very least.
It should be a legal requirement that if a house has any hint of damp or mould that the landlord buys a suitable dehumidifier for the property. It can then be the tenant’s responsibility to ensure it’s running properly and empty it etc. It makes such a huge difference. They only cost like £100 ffs
Luckily they don’t have to because the government won’t do anything when so many landlords vote Tory.
Landlords do not give a damn about the houses they let or their condition. As long as they don’t have to live with it, they don’t care. It’s disgusting.
Telling them to get a grip isn’t going to do shit.
Its literally a cash cow to them. Put in as little money as possible and get as much out that’s the only goal.
Last week, my ex-landlord from 6 months ago called me to ask if I had any issues with heating in the flat.
This is the same flat that we told him had damp and mould issues due to there being absolutely zero insulation, just thin exterior walls. And only two small radiators that didn’t function properly. He even asked how the fuck the thermostat works (it doesn’t) when I did the check-out.
So yeah, there were definitely issues with the heating. But he then went on to blame the new tenant for not wanting to spend money turning on the heating.
He’d rather blame literally everyone else for issues that are screaming in his face – “I’m your fault!!!”
Yes, telling them to “Get a grip” is going to do it. Well done to all concerned.
/s
The problem of mould in rented homes is a double edged sword. You ventilate your house and you have horrible heating bills, you don’t and you get mold.
They should make automatic mechanical ventilation a requirement in all areas of a home likely to produce humidity. That should extend further to MVHC systems unless economically unfeasible, falling back to positive pressure and lastly just plain old extractor fans..
Equally they should be vastly improved insulation and airtightness requirements so that the ventilation system can do its job and help retain heat in the building fabric.
Its true. My step sons bathroom water pipe burst last night flooding the whole downstairs, probably destroyed everything electrical. all furniture with the water. His sitting room and kitchen roof is detroyed, no water after he turned it off, and they didnt dare use the electric downstairs as all the bulbs are full of water. All his landlord said was We’ll get someone out in the morning. So thryre living upstairs as downstairs is flooded.
Interesting that social housing is more likely to meet standards than private rentals. I thought competition drove innovation and quality.
There ought to be a landlord registry with licensing requirements and legal teeth. If you own a property and are renting it out to someone, and that property has problems or is otherwise unfit for a reasonable human to reside, it’s on you to fix it, and if you don’t, you’re punished through a number of ways, such as:
* A deduction on your publicly available ‘Landlord Score’, which is like a credit score but for landlords and **must** be published with every advertisement
* A fine calculated based on the value of the property
* A temporary ban for a certain number of years on owning property for the purposes of renting
* A permanent ban on owning property for the purposes of renting
* Confiscation of the property in question
* Prison time
Naturally there would have to be inspections of the property by government officials, and some people might not be very happy to have the government snooping around the property they rent, but you can’t rely on reports from renters because they might be heavily incentivised by their landlords not to report anything, so the government needs an objective measure.
I’m currently living in a private rented flat. The flat I live in is immaculate, sure the single glazed windows and lack of insulation suck but there’s no mould or other issues. The other 9 flats are a different story though. My neighbour opposite has mould everywhere and her windows are dripping wet. My landlord sold the block to the council and served us all section 21s back in September. The council are going to rehouse us all somewhere else permanently rather than doing the work needed and letting us come back as tenants.
You should have seen the flat they offered me. The previous tenant had done a midnight flight the week before and all of their stuff was still there, front door kicked in. Mould everywhere! I could see mouse droppings on the floor where the previous tenant’s cooker had been pulled out. Door frames pulled off and the toilet needed replacing as it was that disgusting. It was absolutely vile and this was social housing. Private landlords and social landlords need to get a grip.
There was a heartbreaking news story recently about a poor child who died as a result of mould in the let property him and his family lived in.
It was Social housing, not the private rented sector.
What is the government doing about their own properties? why are we not seeing this type of report but instead based on the council owned or aligned properties?
The reports of the conditions in many council properties is unbelievable. And the taxpayers of the UK are paying for it too!
I mean we could always introduce legislation, a register of landlords, have them struck off, seize property and have massive fines.
That should sort it out – but maybe just telling the greedy parasites to pull their socks up will work.
Cutting corners is the the only way a lot of cowboy landlords can achieve positive cashflow. If they were made to do maintenance profitability of rental properties would drop and house prices would have to come down.
Place I stayed in the last 8 years was rife with black mold. No heating or hot water as well for the last two years.
Stopped paying rent because of lack of repairs and the fucker evicted me instead. Sent eviction notice in July.
We left that shithole start of Sept, and the cheeky fuckers sent me an email last week going on about how the landlord has to now sell the place and they would like to pop up and get access. Not one single email when they knew I had no heating with 5 fucking kids. Absolute cunts.
Best of luck to them, because the place had been broken into the last time I went down to check for mail, so I hope it’s absolutely fucking trashed inside. Parasitic fucking cunts.
How about just changing the law to make all landlords make their homes fit for human habitation…..also rent caps.
The problem is that an awful lot of landlords, particularly buy to let landlords, believe that they are *entitled* to easy profit and that it is downright offensive to ask them to invest any of their rental income on making the properties they rent out actually habitable.
So called “accidental” landlords are the very worst of these.
Landlords: *these are MY houses. You’ll pay my bills and own nothing*
Tenants: *at least make them livable*
Landlords: *what?!*
I woke up to my bedroom being 1c and mostly everything damp.
Landlord blames it on me, when I have thr windows open everyday and heating on.
Landlords are like any business offering a service that essential. They need regulations backed by enforcement to ensure minimum safe standards. It’s the government that needs to get a grip.
As a landlord I find it disgusting that other people that rent out properties can get away with not being up to spec
We need a sort of MOT for houses, and to rent out a property you must have one in date.
Decent landlords will have no issues, but the bad ones with sub-standard property will have to change.
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If only there was some sort of government in charge of this. /s
Just realised as it’s text it’s not clear I’m not being serious.
Way too many small time buy to let landlords in the UK. Some of whom don’t give two shits about their tenants as long as they’re paying the mortgage and they get their future property pension.
Shame the government didn’t pass that bill that would make sure homes had to to a good standard for renting. Could have been useful.
Sort it out…. Or what? There seems to be little power over private rented accommodation.
Wonder how many of the homes rented out by Tory mps and Tory donors are up to standard. A country run by landlords is absolutely terrible for everyone
But I thought landlords were saints who provide housing out of the goodness of their hearts and were not at all a bunch of greedy assoles who thieve the wages of captive tenants?
Unless they’re “told” via legislation I couldn’t give a fuck.
The political mainstream sphere is slowly turning to address the issues facing people younger than 45 that it has ignored for the past 20 years.
But even still, rather than FULLY address the issues, they’re still in that baby-step phase of throwing meaningless platitudes at us to win over the malleable & dim.
honestly fucking unreal that we still have a Tory govt (and that our opposition has to pander so hard to people who might otherwise vote Tory), given how fucking shite life is for the actual working-age population.
Get a grip? Lol what?
Making homes they own liveable shouls be the law, punishable by jail time.
Landlords nod in agreement and go back to counting bank notes
Perhaps we should reduce the conduction of the materials used in the housing of this great nation. If only some group had been pushing this narrative. Hopefully with a shorter, 2 word name.
The obvious way to solve it imo is to bring in a national licensing scheme directly funded by a modest tax on rental income or a fee per property owned. A government with the will to do it could solve a whole range of issues with the sector for both landlords & tenants. Some councils already operate licensing schemes but it seems distinctly amateur and replicates effort multiple times that could be centralised.
I am a landlord and it upsets me when potential tenants come to view the house, they have to check essentials like water pressure, heating and toilet flushing. I think there should be a minimum rental standard. A repair response within 24hr should be mandatory. At least arrange it with a tradesperson to get things sorted, have a date set. I get it that there is a shortage of tradespeople. But some sort of contact should be established within 24hr. Many estate agents are poor property manager. They only care about the fees. They don’t have out of hours contact and don’t sort things out within 24hr.
Every landlord and property manager should give the tenants a list of 24/7 emergency contact if things go wrong. They would have good connection with local tradespeople.
As a long term LL, I want the issues to be sorted ASAP too.
The slum LL I know don’t have the means to carry out repair. They keep delaying it, evict the person, and get new tenants in. The cycle continues.
No heating – should provide temporary accommodation.
No hot water – access to a local gym as a minimum.
No washing machine – pay for a local launderette.
As if anyone gives a shit about the renters. A single person on a good salary can’t even afford to live alone, you think they care how we feel or if we die of negligence
Damn, I thought this was in r/NewZealand for a moment.
Welcome to shit rentals. If you need any guidance we’re happy to help. We’ve got decades of experience. 😛
A little history. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=1954-05-18a.1871.5
I have a few thoughts on this as a landlord all be not renting to private sector per say
I have rented to students and now asylum seekers.
If you allow the single biggest investment and in my case my pension to fall into disrepair your an idiot.
I’m staggered to see people do it. It makes zero sense the actual worse case is your house has no tenants. I’ve read a few stories on here about landlords kicking out tenants after 10 years of no hassle pay on time renting in order to try and get a couple of hundred more a month. I would suggest if your doing that to attempt to cover the mortgage your a poor business person and should probably sell up.
Lastly if your willing to allow people to live in a way your personally not willing to not only are you a shit landlord but I would suggest a shit human.
Push forward with the epc c or no rent idea that will weed out a lot of the chancers.
No wonder this sub hates us.
Edit I see the downvotes have started. I can only guess from fellow landlords doing what I mentioned above? Or not wanting to spend money to get the epc up.
Got mold and had a smashed window for well over 6 months here :^) Won’t do anything about the window because only 1 sheet of the double glazing as smashed instead of both.
If you want to enforce standards, you’ll need to pay folk to check the properties. This will cost money. The government won’t give any money. This will not be done. Hand wringing, fingers pointed, last labour Government, 3 weeks of headlines, 3 months of editorials, 3 hoots given.
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Unless the act of telling landlords to get a grip is properly enforcing current legislation, while making some harsh examples of bad actors, it’s just sentiment politics.
Something as critical to the fundamental fabric of the country as the provision of homes for people should be governed a lot better than it is today.
We should have some sort of charter status for landlords that requires professional accreditation, and the accountability that goes with it. Breaches of code should be dealt with harshly, including unlimited fines and custodial sentences.
How about if a landlord is found to be letting out a property that fails health and safety livability standards, they lose the property and it goes into a pool of affordable housing owned by the government?
That should offer enough incentive to make sure they aren’t just skirting the line or flat-out not bothering to provide safe housing, but actively err on the side of making their properties safer and nicer than the bare legal minimum.
Also, if a two year-old kid **dies** in your property because of toxic mould you were warned about by the tenants, you should be on the hook for negligent manslaughter at the very least.
It should be a legal requirement that if a house has any hint of damp or mould that the landlord buys a suitable dehumidifier for the property. It can then be the tenant’s responsibility to ensure it’s running properly and empty it etc. It makes such a huge difference. They only cost like £100 ffs
Luckily they don’t have to because the government won’t do anything when so many landlords vote Tory.
Tory MPs need to be reminded of this.
https://fullfact.org/economy/did-mps-vote-against-homes-having-be-made-fit-live-in/
Landlords do not give a damn about the houses they let or their condition. As long as they don’t have to live with it, they don’t care. It’s disgusting.
Telling them to get a grip isn’t going to do shit.
Its literally a cash cow to them. Put in as little money as possible and get as much out that’s the only goal.
Last week, my ex-landlord from 6 months ago called me to ask if I had any issues with heating in the flat.
This is the same flat that we told him had damp and mould issues due to there being absolutely zero insulation, just thin exterior walls. And only two small radiators that didn’t function properly. He even asked how the fuck the thermostat works (it doesn’t) when I did the check-out.
So yeah, there were definitely issues with the heating. But he then went on to blame the new tenant for not wanting to spend money turning on the heating.
He’d rather blame literally everyone else for issues that are screaming in his face – “I’m your fault!!!”
Yes, telling them to “Get a grip” is going to do it. Well done to all concerned.
/s
The problem of mould in rented homes is a double edged sword. You ventilate your house and you have horrible heating bills, you don’t and you get mold.
They should make automatic mechanical ventilation a requirement in all areas of a home likely to produce humidity. That should extend further to MVHC systems unless economically unfeasible, falling back to positive pressure and lastly just plain old extractor fans..
Equally they should be vastly improved insulation and airtightness requirements so that the ventilation system can do its job and help retain heat in the building fabric.
Its true. My step sons bathroom water pipe burst last night flooding the whole downstairs, probably destroyed everything electrical. all furniture with the water. His sitting room and kitchen roof is detroyed, no water after he turned it off, and they didnt dare use the electric downstairs as all the bulbs are full of water. All his landlord said was We’ll get someone out in the morning. So thryre living upstairs as downstairs is flooded.
Interesting that social housing is more likely to meet standards than private rentals. I thought competition drove innovation and quality.
There ought to be a landlord registry with licensing requirements and legal teeth. If you own a property and are renting it out to someone, and that property has problems or is otherwise unfit for a reasonable human to reside, it’s on you to fix it, and if you don’t, you’re punished through a number of ways, such as:
* A deduction on your publicly available ‘Landlord Score’, which is like a credit score but for landlords and **must** be published with every advertisement
* A fine calculated based on the value of the property
* A temporary ban for a certain number of years on owning property for the purposes of renting
* A permanent ban on owning property for the purposes of renting
* Confiscation of the property in question
* Prison time
Naturally there would have to be inspections of the property by government officials, and some people might not be very happy to have the government snooping around the property they rent, but you can’t rely on reports from renters because they might be heavily incentivised by their landlords not to report anything, so the government needs an objective measure.
I’m currently living in a private rented flat. The flat I live in is immaculate, sure the single glazed windows and lack of insulation suck but there’s no mould or other issues. The other 9 flats are a different story though. My neighbour opposite has mould everywhere and her windows are dripping wet. My landlord sold the block to the council and served us all section 21s back in September. The council are going to rehouse us all somewhere else permanently rather than doing the work needed and letting us come back as tenants.
You should have seen the flat they offered me. The previous tenant had done a midnight flight the week before and all of their stuff was still there, front door kicked in. Mould everywhere! I could see mouse droppings on the floor where the previous tenant’s cooker had been pulled out. Door frames pulled off and the toilet needed replacing as it was that disgusting. It was absolutely vile and this was social housing. Private landlords and social landlords need to get a grip.
There was a heartbreaking news story recently about a poor child who died as a result of mould in the let property him and his family lived in.
It was Social housing, not the private rented sector.
What is the government doing about their own properties? why are we not seeing this type of report but instead based on the council owned or aligned properties?
The reports of the conditions in many council properties is unbelievable. And the taxpayers of the UK are paying for it too!
I mean we could always introduce legislation, a register of landlords, have them struck off, seize property and have massive fines.
That should sort it out – but maybe just telling the greedy parasites to pull their socks up will work.
Cutting corners is the the only way a lot of cowboy landlords can achieve positive cashflow. If they were made to do maintenance profitability of rental properties would drop and house prices would have to come down.
Place I stayed in the last 8 years was rife with black mold. No heating or hot water as well for the last two years.
Stopped paying rent because of lack of repairs and the fucker evicted me instead. Sent eviction notice in July.
We left that shithole start of Sept, and the cheeky fuckers sent me an email last week going on about how the landlord has to now sell the place and they would like to pop up and get access. Not one single email when they knew I had no heating with 5 fucking kids. Absolute cunts.
Best of luck to them, because the place had been broken into the last time I went down to check for mail, so I hope it’s absolutely fucking trashed inside. Parasitic fucking cunts.
How about just changing the law to make all landlords make their homes fit for human habitation…..also rent caps.
The problem is that an awful lot of landlords, particularly buy to let landlords, believe that they are *entitled* to easy profit and that it is downright offensive to ask them to invest any of their rental income on making the properties they rent out actually habitable.
So called “accidental” landlords are the very worst of these.
Landlords: *these are MY houses. You’ll pay my bills and own nothing*
Tenants: *at least make them livable*
Landlords: *what?!*
I woke up to my bedroom being 1c and mostly everything damp.
Landlord blames it on me, when I have thr windows open everyday and heating on.
Landlords are like any business offering a service that essential. They need regulations backed by enforcement to ensure minimum safe standards. It’s the government that needs to get a grip.
As a landlord I find it disgusting that other people that rent out properties can get away with not being up to spec
We need a sort of MOT for houses, and to rent out a property you must have one in date.
Decent landlords will have no issues, but the bad ones with sub-standard property will have to change.