Not that I would not object to a good increase in nursing staff.
Wouldn’t surprise me, especially those living further north in England already.
I can’t see a mass movement of Midlands nurses crossing the border in exchange for uprooting their homes, friends, family, children’s school places etc for it though.
Sometimes I wonder how much of these things are driven by the desire to make the UK government look bad. Either way, more pay is good. It’s still well below inflation for most workers, but I don’t think inflation-matching pay increases across the board are realistically achievable.
I also somehow doubt a band 5 nurse in England would be willing to move for a band 5 job in Scotland for the sake of £1329 gross pay.
Proposed NHS Scotland Band 5 salary: £28,384
NHS England Band 5 salary: £27,055
The difference in take home pay would be about £70 a month, assuming the goal posts for pension contributions aren’t moved. If someone offered me another £70 a month to move to Scotland, assuming cost of living remains roughly the same, that’s a no from me. Of course, I’m in the Midlands. This’ll be more attractive if you’re in Northumberland.
Again, glad they’ve got an improved offer.
And who could blame them?
I’m Northern English living in Scotland and moving up here was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. We might share a border with England, but day by day it’s becoming more apparent that Scotland and England do not share the same social and political values. I constantly feel like Scotland wants to move forward towards something better, whilst the English ruling class want to keep the country stuck jogging in place—or worse, walking backwards.
Scotland isn’t free of problems, its true, but from the free prescriptions, to the free higher education, free bus travel for 21’s and under, the significantly stronger tenants rights, and even the (frankly) superior tap water, the quality of life is just objectively better up here. The landscape’s beautiful, we have an actual right to roam it. If I see a field or a hill that I want to walk, any cunt that comes up and tries to tell me that I can’t I can legally tell to fuck off.
The only trade off is the less clement weather, but if you’re like me and love rainy, atmospheric days and HATE moist, sweaty, summer heat, it’s a no-brainer really.
I don’t think newly qualified nurses in England are likely to move for about 1.2k extra.
If this actually happened every time people threatened to move to the other side of the border, we’d have seen about 15 mass migrations back and forward between England and Scotland in the last 8 years.
It was good that nurses here got a pay offer they were happy to accept, but the NHS here is in tatters just as much as anywhere else. It’s more likely English NHS staff will continue to leave the service completely and seek alternative jobs rather than come up to Scotland.
No one is going to upend and move their entire lives over a £2500 pay rise.
Not to mention that if Scottish independence comes though, the NHS would face a fight for its life to even do a fraction of rebut current work, free at point of use. NHS Scotland’s leadership are already discussing charging people for hospital care
Would they though?
It’s barely that much of a pay rise as well as it’s fucking costly to just uproot and move.
If my daughter said to me that she wanted to be a nurse, then I would try to talk her out of it. If that failed, then I would try to convince her to join the Armed Forces as a trainee nurse.
Not only do military nurses get paid more than their NHS counterparts, they also don’t have to pay for their training.
Nurses – PLEASE COME TO SCOTLAND! We’d love to have you here.
We could look to Scotland to solve England’s problems.
Can those of us in England get a government that dose this its not too much to ask for is it
Nhs Scotland makes nhs England look well run. No one in their right mind would switch.
Scotland needs immigration, and England is our largest source of course, something like 8.5% of Scots were born there
I think it’s a fair call that Holyrood generally does a better job but it’s incremental until Scotland is free of Westminster
If you can’t make nhs jobs competitive then of course they will follow the money, no one would blame them. This is entirely a government issue.
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Seems to assume moving is easy.
Not that I would not object to a good increase in nursing staff.
Wouldn’t surprise me, especially those living further north in England already.
I can’t see a mass movement of Midlands nurses crossing the border in exchange for uprooting their homes, friends, family, children’s school places etc for it though.
Sometimes I wonder how much of these things are driven by the desire to make the UK government look bad. Either way, more pay is good. It’s still well below inflation for most workers, but I don’t think inflation-matching pay increases across the board are realistically achievable.
I also somehow doubt a band 5 nurse in England would be willing to move for a band 5 job in Scotland for the sake of £1329 gross pay.
Proposed NHS Scotland Band 5 salary: £28,384
NHS England Band 5 salary: £27,055
The difference in take home pay would be about £70 a month, assuming the goal posts for pension contributions aren’t moved. If someone offered me another £70 a month to move to Scotland, assuming cost of living remains roughly the same, that’s a no from me. Of course, I’m in the Midlands. This’ll be more attractive if you’re in Northumberland.
Again, glad they’ve got an improved offer.
And who could blame them?
I’m Northern English living in Scotland and moving up here was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. We might share a border with England, but day by day it’s becoming more apparent that Scotland and England do not share the same social and political values. I constantly feel like Scotland wants to move forward towards something better, whilst the English ruling class want to keep the country stuck jogging in place—or worse, walking backwards.
Scotland isn’t free of problems, its true, but from the free prescriptions, to the free higher education, free bus travel for 21’s and under, the significantly stronger tenants rights, and even the (frankly) superior tap water, the quality of life is just objectively better up here. The landscape’s beautiful, we have an actual right to roam it. If I see a field or a hill that I want to walk, any cunt that comes up and tries to tell me that I can’t I can legally tell to fuck off.
The only trade off is the less clement weather, but if you’re like me and love rainy, atmospheric days and HATE moist, sweaty, summer heat, it’s a no-brainer really.
I don’t think newly qualified nurses in England are likely to move for about 1.2k extra.
If this actually happened every time people threatened to move to the other side of the border, we’d have seen about 15 mass migrations back and forward between England and Scotland in the last 8 years.
It was good that nurses here got a pay offer they were happy to accept, but the NHS here is in tatters just as much as anywhere else. It’s more likely English NHS staff will continue to leave the service completely and seek alternative jobs rather than come up to Scotland.
No one is going to upend and move their entire lives over a £2500 pay rise.
Not to mention that if Scottish independence comes though, the NHS would face a fight for its life to even do a fraction of rebut current work, free at point of use. NHS Scotland’s leadership are already discussing charging people for hospital care
Would they though?
It’s barely that much of a pay rise as well as it’s fucking costly to just uproot and move.
Alternatively, warmer option… [link](https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-government-to-cover-overseas-relocation-fees-in-bid-to-boost-hospital-workforce-20210810-p58hl2.html)
If my daughter said to me that she wanted to be a nurse, then I would try to talk her out of it. If that failed, then I would try to convince her to join the Armed Forces as a trainee nurse.
Not only do military nurses get paid more than their NHS counterparts, they also don’t have to pay for their training.
Nurses – PLEASE COME TO SCOTLAND! We’d love to have you here.
We could look to Scotland to solve England’s problems.
Can those of us in England get a government that dose this its not too much to ask for is it
Nhs Scotland makes nhs England look well run. No one in their right mind would switch.
Scotland needs immigration, and England is our largest source of course, something like 8.5% of Scots were born there
I think it’s a fair call that Holyrood generally does a better job but it’s incremental until Scotland is free of Westminster
If you can’t make nhs jobs competitive then of course they will follow the money, no one would blame them. This is entirely a government issue.