Workers warned there is ‘not a bottomless pit of money’
That’s reserved for the CEO’s
Mr Harper told Sky News “there is a fair and reasonable pay offer on the table” and said it is “deeply unhelpful” that RMT members have chosen to continue strikes this week rather than holding further discussions in an attempt to end the dispute.
Harper talking shit network rail have refused to come to any talks that the RMT have offered to hold over the Xmas period.
The pay offer isn’t exactly fair but likely would be accepted if they weren’t trying to make literally every other part of the job worse. Dilute safety standards and do things in a way that will cost significantly more in the long run. Totally wreck any type of work life balance. Put all the power into the hands of management to change shifts at will with little notice. Increase stress levels of staff by forcing them to work with unqualified people to make up numbers while still expecting the same quality and speed of work.
They claim it’s for the good of the buisness and to make it safer and more reliable when the reality is it will make both worse.
this message bought a to you by a government which spent the entire cost of the iraq war on a none functional track and trace system.
There is a bottomless pit of money, it’s the hundreds of millions handed out to shareholders.
There actually is a bottomless pit of money, which we now can access less easily thanks to Truss and Kwarteng.
We actually only need a relatively shallow pit of money anyway if we just ended government corruption handing literal billions to mates for contracts.
Bottomless pits of money are only available to their mates who produce dodgy PPE during a national emergency.
Well record breaking profits, CEO bonuses and share holder pay outs suggest there is a bottomless pit of money. So what they really mean is there isn’t a bottomless pit of money for the working class?
We all know how this works now.
Rules for thee but not for me. Money for me, but not for thee.
Guess there’s not a bottomless pit of Labour either…
There was plenty of money for charles and his refurbishing
Theres plenty of money for his dumb coronation when people are struggling
Theres plenty of money to hand out to ur conservative friends
U literally got a massive donation and sold ppe to shit companies for loads of money
Theres plenty of money when U THE POLITICIANS want a pay rise
Why is there all of a sudden no money when the NURSES AND TRAIN DRIVERS, who keep society alive and keep it moving, want a pay rise in line with inflation so they dont habe to do 15 hour shifts in the case of some nurses (my mum had to do one so idk if its true for everyone) in order to not starve??
Td has happened to this country now lol its actually depressing
Serco has just had their online military recruitment package contract extended to 2025.
Originally signed in 2010, so far Serco has been literally worse than useless, not only failing to deliver any online recruitment facilities, but actually forcing the armed forces to revert back to pen and paper records.
So far this contract has cost around £200 million, and with its extension has now been raised to £220 million.
There’s *always* more money for Churchill’s grandson.
Seems there was when you spent billions on a track and trace system. I Honest to god do not know how you could even itemise such a waste and not be laughed at, software dev isn’t cheap, but for billions? Not even Facebook or Twitter or other internet “front page” sites cost that to make or host.
What you mean to say is that there is only limitless funds when it’s to steal from the public, to help the public there is no money.
Also seems to be limitless money to bail out the rail networks so they don’t have any incentive to actually give into the strike, only people that are actually taking a hit on this are the strikers and the tax payers (to compensate the rail companies for the strike action)
“Shut up peasant, take your scraps and be happy you even get that, don’t make us get the whips out!”
I Hope that every tory is forced to use the systems that they are actively trying to destroy for a quick buck. But alas, when the country eventually collapse from their thievery, they will just fuck off somewhere else to spend the money they stole from us.
The government gave up chasing down £4.5 BILLION in fraudulent covid loans, you know from their system they made.
The government pissed away BILLIONS in overpriced under-quality PPE from their Tory donors new PPE firms some of which was not even fit for purpose.
Now we have basic frontline public sector staff unable to feed themselves and heat their homes and the problem, according the the same set of absolute bastards that bankrupted the country is…
* the nurses are too greedy
* there’s not unlimited money
* asking for pay rises is immoral
Bottomless pits of money are reserved for executive bonuses, exorbitant share holder payouts, and back room deals with companies/services that your wealthy friends own; when will you feckless paupers get the message?
Weird. There’s a bottomless pit of money when they need to pay their friends 🤔
The problem here is that the train companies want to solve this, however their franchise contract they have with the government doesn’t allow them to do this. And the government do no want to sit down and negotiate.
To break it down Sunak is trying to be Thatcher and break the unions by refusing to engage with them to resolve the problem.
Rail tickets have risen by more than inflation for two decades. Workers are not asking for a bottomless pit. They’re asking for their wages to rise with inflation which is just standing still.
RMTs first stated aim of an 7.1% rise was actually below the 8.1% rise of Network Rail’s boss.
Yea they emptied that pit into their pockets during COVID a couple of years ago, while telling us to snitch on our neighbours and to die alone.
The government sees it as more beneficial and easier to give their friends a million here and there than to give hundreds or thousands to ordinary working people. Ordinary people do not benefit politicians.
‘There is not a bottomless pit of money’ said by those who have never struggled to pay for food or bills.
“there isn’t a bottomless pot of money (but there is several million to spend on the king’s hat putting on ceremony)”
Email from the RMT last night –
I’ll try not to get too political with you as I know it frightens some of you away, but we really are in a fight to rebalance workers’ wages compared to the obscene salaries being handed out to some of the top earners. Your CEO is on £590K, he is 2nd in a list of the top 15 highest paid public servants, 10 out of the 15 on the list works for NWR! Sir Peter Parker, Chair of British Rail was earning £40K in 1978, if you attach RPI related increases to that £40K then our current CEO should now be on £293K.
There is money available through initiating a wealth tax, this country is home to 175 billionaires with a net worth of a staggering £560 billion, add in 75 additional multi-millionaires and we now have a combined wealth of £710.7 billion, while the real wage average for workers is less now that it was in 2007. Surely it’s not unreasonable to insist the government re-look at how we tax the wealthy. By taxing them an additional 1%, this would raise £37 billion a year. This government know that money would settle and pay for all public sector workers and avoid strikes and yet they chose not to.
NWR decided to move away from a centralised control model to a devolved model creating 5 separate routes running as 5 separate mini-Network Rail’s. This created many duplicate roles and I’ve watched NWR grow from 35.5K employees in 2017 to 45K and only 1000 of those new jobs were in our grade. So, ask yourselves, what have 8-9000 additional management posts done to help run NWR more efficiently? If you take an average management salary at, say £80K, which is roughly what a senior B2 manager gets and most of the management job increases were in those bandings, that gives you £6.8M a year – so multiply that by 5, then 8.5K people have pocketed £34M in additional jobs in the last 5 years. There’s also money to be saved by scrapping the NHS queue jumping private health care schemes only available to management grades.
From working in the rail industry people seem happy with the pay offer but rejected it because of the extra working conditions they are putting on.
Hardly anyone is asking for more money than what’s been offered.
Weird how there was a bottomless pit of money for PPE and schemes like furlough but not for the workers. All the NHS had was a clap. (As an ex NHS employee – who left due to ill health caused by the job during COVID) I found it to be patronising, especially when health workers in other countries were getting financial bonuses for putting their lives on the line.
Do they honestly expect us to swallow this absolute crap? Keep fighting the good fight workers!!
Nobody is saying that there’s a botomless pit of money, the request is simple:
TAX THE FUCKING RICH
TAX THE WINDFALL PROFITS
Pay workers their fair share.
I’m sick of this bullshit excuse. If there are people in the country that have so much money that they can afford to buy multiple high end luxury cars and multi million pound homes, there is PLENTY of money. The problem is its distribution.
I’m sick of this economic baby-talk. “Bottomless pit”. “Magic wand”. “Magic money tree”. Patronising cunts.
Seems pretty bottomless when giving contracts to your mates, bailing out wankers, or paying CEOs.
Weird, there seems to be a bottomless pit of tax paying and spending cuts, its almost like all that money has been siphoned off to shady middle men.
The railways are subsidised by the government, yet private companies are taking a profit. There clearly is money. Nationalise public services.
> not a bottomless pit of money
I’ll take ‘What is Quantitative Easing?’ for a General Strike please Alex.
Well we all know that’s not true. They can readily find 250m for Ukraine when the notion arrives…
To anyone that voted Tory – if you struggle to get a train, if you cant get to see your GP – assuming you dont go private, if, god forbid you struggle to get an ambulance and when you do you wait in it for 18 hours,
you voted for this, do not fucking dare to moan about it, if you dont like it stop voting for the party of the very few.
There’s not a bottomless pit of money. But there is this absolutely insane notion that the people who have already got more money than they’ll need for 10 lifetimes stop taking as much so the people who actual lot run the service don’t starve.
Plenty of money for fake PPE companies, Fake Ferry companies, Fracking, a new Coal Mine..
But infastructure improvements and better wages? Just isn’t Tory, is it?
Andrew Haines has an annual salary of £588,000. This figure is more than three-and-a-half times the size of the UK Prime Minister’s current salary, and 19-times what the RMT union says the median wage of its rail worker members. Mr Haines’ salary grew in 2022, with his pay rising 8.1% from £544,000. He also received a 1 million pound bonus this Christmas period. Shameful.
Pardon my ignorance but if train companies are private why is it the governments responsibility to increase their wages? What is the actual governments role in this? Should the union’s issues be taken up with their management and shareholders?
Critical infrastructure should not be owned by for profit companies because the service user will always get the shitty end of the stick
Rail passengers aren’t a bottomless pit of money, despite what the industry and staff seem to think.
The railways have lost _over a third_ of passengers due to the changes in working patterns prompted by the pandemic and passenger growth was faltering before then. Rail companies are, obviously, cutting back on timetables, cancelling the introduction of new trains, etc. There is an oversupply of capacity, yet fares are rising faster than ever… That’s not how supply and demand is supposed to work.
The rail industry has to cut costs and make travel actually affordable. Obviously, that unfortunately means some staff are no longer required. If that doesn’t happen passenger numbers will continue to decline, which will lead to even more staffing cuts.
There was enough for you to blow £30 billion on your libertarian wank fantasy you Tory fucks, do you think we’ve fucking forgotten?
It’s not fucking difficult to fix this. The rail services should not be run just to make profit for shareholders. They should be making enough money to pay an acceptable living wage to the workforce and maintain the fleet/stations/tracks etc. All additional money should be going to investment in the infrastructure etc.
Privatised services that only care about shareholder dividends or CEO bonuses are a pestilence upon this country’s service sector.
Are we back to the patronising “there’s no magic money tree that provides for everything people want” argument?
That aged really well when the government started printing money to hand out to their mates.
There’s a magic money tree when it comes to PPE write offs and subsidised alcohol and food in Parliament.
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Workers warned there is ‘not a bottomless pit of money’
That’s reserved for the CEO’s
Mr Harper told Sky News “there is a fair and reasonable pay offer on the table” and said it is “deeply unhelpful” that RMT members have chosen to continue strikes this week rather than holding further discussions in an attempt to end the dispute.
Harper talking shit network rail have refused to come to any talks that the RMT have offered to hold over the Xmas period.
The pay offer isn’t exactly fair but likely would be accepted if they weren’t trying to make literally every other part of the job worse. Dilute safety standards and do things in a way that will cost significantly more in the long run. Totally wreck any type of work life balance. Put all the power into the hands of management to change shifts at will with little notice. Increase stress levels of staff by forcing them to work with unqualified people to make up numbers while still expecting the same quality and speed of work.
They claim it’s for the good of the buisness and to make it safer and more reliable when the reality is it will make both worse.
this message bought a to you by a government which spent the entire cost of the iraq war on a none functional track and trace system.
There is a bottomless pit of money, it’s the hundreds of millions handed out to shareholders.
There actually is a bottomless pit of money, which we now can access less easily thanks to Truss and Kwarteng.
We actually only need a relatively shallow pit of money anyway if we just ended government corruption handing literal billions to mates for contracts.
Bottomless pits of money are only available to their mates who produce dodgy PPE during a national emergency.
Well record breaking profits, CEO bonuses and share holder pay outs suggest there is a bottomless pit of money. So what they really mean is there isn’t a bottomless pit of money for the working class?
We all know how this works now.
Rules for thee but not for me. Money for me, but not for thee.
Guess there’s not a bottomless pit of Labour either…
There was plenty of money for charles and his refurbishing
Theres plenty of money for his dumb coronation when people are struggling
Theres plenty of money to hand out to ur conservative friends
U literally got a massive donation and sold ppe to shit companies for loads of money
Theres plenty of money when U THE POLITICIANS want a pay rise
Why is there all of a sudden no money when the NURSES AND TRAIN DRIVERS, who keep society alive and keep it moving, want a pay rise in line with inflation so they dont habe to do 15 hour shifts in the case of some nurses (my mum had to do one so idk if its true for everyone) in order to not starve??
Td has happened to this country now lol its actually depressing
Serco has just had their online military recruitment package contract extended to 2025.
Originally signed in 2010, so far Serco has been literally worse than useless, not only failing to deliver any online recruitment facilities, but actually forcing the armed forces to revert back to pen and paper records.
So far this contract has cost around £200 million, and with its extension has now been raised to £220 million.
There’s *always* more money for Churchill’s grandson.
Seems there was when you spent billions on a track and trace system. I Honest to god do not know how you could even itemise such a waste and not be laughed at, software dev isn’t cheap, but for billions? Not even Facebook or Twitter or other internet “front page” sites cost that to make or host.
What you mean to say is that there is only limitless funds when it’s to steal from the public, to help the public there is no money.
Also seems to be limitless money to bail out the rail networks so they don’t have any incentive to actually give into the strike, only people that are actually taking a hit on this are the strikers and the tax payers (to compensate the rail companies for the strike action)
“Shut up peasant, take your scraps and be happy you even get that, don’t make us get the whips out!”
I Hope that every tory is forced to use the systems that they are actively trying to destroy for a quick buck. But alas, when the country eventually collapse from their thievery, they will just fuck off somewhere else to spend the money they stole from us.
The government gave up chasing down £4.5 BILLION in fraudulent covid loans, you know from their system they made.
The government pissed away BILLIONS in overpriced under-quality PPE from their Tory donors new PPE firms some of which was not even fit for purpose.
Now we have basic frontline public sector staff unable to feed themselves and heat their homes and the problem, according the the same set of absolute bastards that bankrupted the country is…
* the nurses are too greedy
* there’s not unlimited money
* asking for pay rises is immoral
Bottomless pits of money are reserved for executive bonuses, exorbitant share holder payouts, and back room deals with companies/services that your wealthy friends own; when will you feckless paupers get the message?
Weird. There’s a bottomless pit of money when they need to pay their friends 🤔
The problem here is that the train companies want to solve this, however their franchise contract they have with the government doesn’t allow them to do this. And the government do no want to sit down and negotiate.
To break it down Sunak is trying to be Thatcher and break the unions by refusing to engage with them to resolve the problem.
Rail tickets have risen by more than inflation for two decades. Workers are not asking for a bottomless pit. They’re asking for their wages to rise with inflation which is just standing still.
RMTs first stated aim of an 7.1% rise was actually below the 8.1% rise of Network Rail’s boss.
Yea they emptied that pit into their pockets during COVID a couple of years ago, while telling us to snitch on our neighbours and to die alone.
The government sees it as more beneficial and easier to give their friends a million here and there than to give hundreds or thousands to ordinary working people. Ordinary people do not benefit politicians.
‘There is not a bottomless pit of money’ said by those who have never struggled to pay for food or bills.
“there isn’t a bottomless pot of money (but there is several million to spend on the king’s hat putting on ceremony)”
Email from the RMT last night –
I’ll try not to get too political with you as I know it frightens some of you away, but we really are in a fight to rebalance workers’ wages compared to the obscene salaries being handed out to some of the top earners. Your CEO is on £590K, he is 2nd in a list of the top 15 highest paid public servants, 10 out of the 15 on the list works for NWR! Sir Peter Parker, Chair of British Rail was earning £40K in 1978, if you attach RPI related increases to that £40K then our current CEO should now be on £293K.
There is money available through initiating a wealth tax, this country is home to 175 billionaires with a net worth of a staggering £560 billion, add in 75 additional multi-millionaires and we now have a combined wealth of £710.7 billion, while the real wage average for workers is less now that it was in 2007. Surely it’s not unreasonable to insist the government re-look at how we tax the wealthy. By taxing them an additional 1%, this would raise £37 billion a year. This government know that money would settle and pay for all public sector workers and avoid strikes and yet they chose not to.
NWR decided to move away from a centralised control model to a devolved model creating 5 separate routes running as 5 separate mini-Network Rail’s. This created many duplicate roles and I’ve watched NWR grow from 35.5K employees in 2017 to 45K and only 1000 of those new jobs were in our grade. So, ask yourselves, what have 8-9000 additional management posts done to help run NWR more efficiently? If you take an average management salary at, say £80K, which is roughly what a senior B2 manager gets and most of the management job increases were in those bandings, that gives you £6.8M a year – so multiply that by 5, then 8.5K people have pocketed £34M in additional jobs in the last 5 years. There’s also money to be saved by scrapping the NHS queue jumping private health care schemes only available to management grades.
From working in the rail industry people seem happy with the pay offer but rejected it because of the extra working conditions they are putting on.
Hardly anyone is asking for more money than what’s been offered.
Weird how there was a bottomless pit of money for PPE and schemes like furlough but not for the workers. All the NHS had was a clap. (As an ex NHS employee – who left due to ill health caused by the job during COVID) I found it to be patronising, especially when health workers in other countries were getting financial bonuses for putting their lives on the line.
Do they honestly expect us to swallow this absolute crap? Keep fighting the good fight workers!!
Nobody is saying that there’s a botomless pit of money, the request is simple:
TAX THE FUCKING RICH
TAX THE WINDFALL PROFITS
Pay workers their fair share.
I’m sick of this bullshit excuse. If there are people in the country that have so much money that they can afford to buy multiple high end luxury cars and multi million pound homes, there is PLENTY of money. The problem is its distribution.
I’m sick of this economic baby-talk. “Bottomless pit”. “Magic wand”. “Magic money tree”. Patronising cunts.
Seems pretty bottomless when giving contracts to your mates, bailing out wankers, or paying CEOs.
Weird, there seems to be a bottomless pit of tax paying and spending cuts, its almost like all that money has been siphoned off to shady middle men.
The railways are subsidised by the government, yet private companies are taking a profit. There clearly is money. Nationalise public services.
> not a bottomless pit of money
I’ll take ‘What is Quantitative Easing?’ for a General Strike please Alex.
Well we all know that’s not true. They can readily find 250m for Ukraine when the notion arrives…
To anyone that voted Tory – if you struggle to get a train, if you cant get to see your GP – assuming you dont go private, if, god forbid you struggle to get an ambulance and when you do you wait in it for 18 hours,
you voted for this, do not fucking dare to moan about it, if you dont like it stop voting for the party of the very few.
There’s not a bottomless pit of money. But there is this absolutely insane notion that the people who have already got more money than they’ll need for 10 lifetimes stop taking as much so the people who actual lot run the service don’t starve.
Plenty of money for fake PPE companies, Fake Ferry companies, Fracking, a new Coal Mine..
But infastructure improvements and better wages? Just isn’t Tory, is it?
Andrew Haines has an annual salary of £588,000. This figure is more than three-and-a-half times the size of the UK Prime Minister’s current salary, and 19-times what the RMT union says the median wage of its rail worker members. Mr Haines’ salary grew in 2022, with his pay rising 8.1% from £544,000. He also received a 1 million pound bonus this Christmas period. Shameful.
Pardon my ignorance but if train companies are private why is it the governments responsibility to increase their wages? What is the actual governments role in this? Should the union’s issues be taken up with their management and shareholders?
Critical infrastructure should not be owned by for profit companies because the service user will always get the shitty end of the stick
Rail passengers aren’t a bottomless pit of money, despite what the industry and staff seem to think.
The railways have lost _over a third_ of passengers due to the changes in working patterns prompted by the pandemic and passenger growth was faltering before then. Rail companies are, obviously, cutting back on timetables, cancelling the introduction of new trains, etc. There is an oversupply of capacity, yet fares are rising faster than ever… That’s not how supply and demand is supposed to work.
The rail industry has to cut costs and make travel actually affordable. Obviously, that unfortunately means some staff are no longer required. If that doesn’t happen passenger numbers will continue to decline, which will lead to even more staffing cuts.
There was enough for you to blow £30 billion on your libertarian wank fantasy you Tory fucks, do you think we’ve fucking forgotten?
It’s not fucking difficult to fix this. The rail services should not be run just to make profit for shareholders. They should be making enough money to pay an acceptable living wage to the workforce and maintain the fleet/stations/tracks etc. All additional money should be going to investment in the infrastructure etc.
Privatised services that only care about shareholder dividends or CEO bonuses are a pestilence upon this country’s service sector.
Are we back to the patronising “there’s no magic money tree that provides for everything people want” argument?
That aged really well when the government started printing money to hand out to their mates.
There’s a magic money tree when it comes to PPE write offs and subsidised alcohol and food in Parliament.