Yeah, well it’s fucking well the Brexit I voted against.
Suck it up, shitcunts.
No much of a deal though was it really.
More like “You fuck off now” and the same dismissive hand gestures you would make at a petulant and spoilt child.
It was always going to be the case, though. Remainers would dislike any deal and because Brexit is such a nebulous, ill-defined concept, brexiters would dislike any deal that didn’t fit their particular, narrow view of what it should be.
No version of brexit was going to satisfy the majority. It’s why it’s such a fucking stupid idea in the first place.
Oh dear, what a shame. If only someone told them in advance this would happen /s
It’s almost as if the experts that everyone was “sick and tired” of hearing from, somehow had an informed opinion on the outcome…
I think this is going to be the only angle of ‘attack’ that works, it’s impossible to criticise brexit because leave (and remain) have become ingrained in people’s personalities… hell I say ‘I’m a remainer’ rather than ‘I voted against brexit’… a subtle difference but one that means an attack on brexit is now an attack on an individual, rather than an attack on a choice
however, if we say ‘brexit just wasn’t carried out well ‘ it places no judgement on leavers, likely making it a much more effective strategy for remain leaning parties – ‘Boris betrayed brexit’ or some such 3-word bullshit
Sure, but if you’re thinking they’ll warm to a *closer* relationship with the EU (or anyone they think would push in that direction), boy are you in for a shock.
> By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
Brexit loons lack the headspace for the first, and are too solipsistic and self important for the second, so here we are at door number three.
That doesn’t matter though, does it? What matters is what sort of Brexit they would have preferred and whether that Brexit actually existed in the first place.
Suppose this poll simply means that people dislike Mr. Johnson’s deal because they prefer the unicorns and rainbows deal of all the benefits of membership without the drawbacks. The end result of this shift in opinion will then not be a demand for a workable foreign and trade policy but simply a pivot towards the next irresponsible demagogue.
The cold hard truth is that no trade deal with the USA, former colonies or even the EU can ever replace EU single market membership. No pivot to the Pacific will ever remove the UK’s interdependencies with the rest of Europe. No negotiations, present or future, will ever replicate the relative ease of managing these dependencies through the EU’s political process. The big problem, of course, is that there will be plenty of politicians who will tell you exactly that, because they think it is what you want to hear. Replacing one such politician with a similar one promising the same things is therefore pointless.
I hate this framing that conservatives are seemingly successfully impregnating into our national discourse.
The whole thing forces a false dichotomy where it’s not the *idea* of Brexit itself that was bad, that was sunshine and rainbows and did exactly what everyone wanted to. It’s just that Boris’s specific implementation of Brexit is bad, because he didn’t pull unicorns out of his arse and fart a pot of gold, and therefore it’s Boris’s fault rather than the people who voted for Brexit’s fault, or the fault of the conmen that convinced them Brexit was a good idea.
It allows people to scapegoat Bojo for being the hatchetman, then axe him and move on without ever critically examining the fact that they were sold an impossible fantasy by a pack of liars. Then they can go right back to listening to those same liars without ever learning a damn thing, or considering that maybe re-joining might be a good idea.
I refuse to engage with it.
This, or something like this, is an inevitable and direct result of deciding to leave the EU when coupled with our relative levels of strength, influence and bargaining power. It was always going to be like this, and I despise this dis-honest framing that makes it sound like we had a wonderful plan that just so happened to run into completely unexpected trouble at the bargaining table.
It was never possible to please them. Their position was mainly ideological anyway, and unfortunately for everyone is was the kind of ideology the rest of the world is moving away from.
Asa result we have a wrecked economy, reduced status and influence throughout the world, are seen as a giant joke, and they’re **still** not happy.
Doesn’t matter, they approved it and him when it counted.
Leave voters voted for whatever happens. If that means total collapse of the British economy then they should still stand up and take responsibility for their acts. Don’t lose your spine Leavers. Always tell folk you proudly voted Leave and are proud of what happened. Because this disaster is all your making.
Of course they do. Because Leave was never clearly defined, most had their own vision of what it was going to look like. And it was completely unrealistic.
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Johnson’s deal was always going to have problems. That’s why MPs should have allowed May’s deal to pass. Almost everything wrong with Johnson’s deal related to leaving the CU, which May’s backstop would have kept us in, at least for as long as it took for someone to wave a magic wand at Northern Ireland. In reality it’s likely that – either under May herself or whoever won a 2022 election – would have made that a more permanent solution.
Of course the remain leaning commenters here will say that that deal was bad too, because they don’t want any deal that isn’t EU membership. But that argument was lost in 2016. And encouraging their representatives to vote down May’s deal in 2019 inevitably led us to a harder Brexiteer as PM and was always likely to result in a harder (i.e., for them, worse) ourcome. If only some Remainers understood how to compromise.
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A bit bloody late now!
The voted for it, they better learn to like it.
“This isn’t the Brexit I voted for…”
Yeah, well it’s fucking well the Brexit I voted against.
Suck it up, shitcunts.
No much of a deal though was it really.
More like “You fuck off now” and the same dismissive hand gestures you would make at a petulant and spoilt child.
It was always going to be the case, though. Remainers would dislike any deal and because Brexit is such a nebulous, ill-defined concept, brexiters would dislike any deal that didn’t fit their particular, narrow view of what it should be.
No version of brexit was going to satisfy the majority. It’s why it’s such a fucking stupid idea in the first place.
Oh dear, what a shame. If only someone told them in advance this would happen /s
It’s almost as if the experts that everyone was “sick and tired” of hearing from, somehow had an informed opinion on the outcome…
I think this is going to be the only angle of ‘attack’ that works, it’s impossible to criticise brexit because leave (and remain) have become ingrained in people’s personalities… hell I say ‘I’m a remainer’ rather than ‘I voted against brexit’… a subtle difference but one that means an attack on brexit is now an attack on an individual, rather than an attack on a choice
however, if we say ‘brexit just wasn’t carried out well ‘ it places no judgement on leavers, likely making it a much more effective strategy for remain leaning parties – ‘Boris betrayed brexit’ or some such 3-word bullshit
Sure, but if you’re thinking they’ll warm to a *closer* relationship with the EU (or anyone they think would push in that direction), boy are you in for a shock.
> By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
Brexit loons lack the headspace for the first, and are too solipsistic and self important for the second, so here we are at door number three.
That doesn’t matter though, does it? What matters is what sort of Brexit they would have preferred and whether that Brexit actually existed in the first place.
Suppose this poll simply means that people dislike Mr. Johnson’s deal because they prefer the unicorns and rainbows deal of all the benefits of membership without the drawbacks. The end result of this shift in opinion will then not be a demand for a workable foreign and trade policy but simply a pivot towards the next irresponsible demagogue.
The cold hard truth is that no trade deal with the USA, former colonies or even the EU can ever replace EU single market membership. No pivot to the Pacific will ever remove the UK’s interdependencies with the rest of Europe. No negotiations, present or future, will ever replicate the relative ease of managing these dependencies through the EU’s political process. The big problem, of course, is that there will be plenty of politicians who will tell you exactly that, because they think it is what you want to hear. Replacing one such politician with a similar one promising the same things is therefore pointless.
I hate this framing that conservatives are seemingly successfully impregnating into our national discourse.
The whole thing forces a false dichotomy where it’s not the *idea* of Brexit itself that was bad, that was sunshine and rainbows and did exactly what everyone wanted to. It’s just that Boris’s specific implementation of Brexit is bad, because he didn’t pull unicorns out of his arse and fart a pot of gold, and therefore it’s Boris’s fault rather than the people who voted for Brexit’s fault, or the fault of the conmen that convinced them Brexit was a good idea.
It allows people to scapegoat Bojo for being the hatchetman, then axe him and move on without ever critically examining the fact that they were sold an impossible fantasy by a pack of liars. Then they can go right back to listening to those same liars without ever learning a damn thing, or considering that maybe re-joining might be a good idea.
I refuse to engage with it.
This, or something like this, is an inevitable and direct result of deciding to leave the EU when coupled with our relative levels of strength, influence and bargaining power. It was always going to be like this, and I despise this dis-honest framing that makes it sound like we had a wonderful plan that just so happened to run into completely unexpected trouble at the bargaining table.
It was never possible to please them. Their position was mainly ideological anyway, and unfortunately for everyone is was the kind of ideology the rest of the world is moving away from.
Asa result we have a wrecked economy, reduced status and influence throughout the world, are seen as a giant joke, and they’re **still** not happy.
Doesn’t matter, they approved it and him when it counted.
Leave voters voted for whatever happens. If that means total collapse of the British economy then they should still stand up and take responsibility for their acts. Don’t lose your spine Leavers. Always tell folk you proudly voted Leave and are proud of what happened. Because this disaster is all your making.
Of course they do. Because Leave was never clearly defined, most had their own vision of what it was going to look like. And it was completely unrealistic.
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Johnson’s deal was always going to have problems. That’s why MPs should have allowed May’s deal to pass. Almost everything wrong with Johnson’s deal related to leaving the CU, which May’s backstop would have kept us in, at least for as long as it took for someone to wave a magic wand at Northern Ireland. In reality it’s likely that – either under May herself or whoever won a 2022 election – would have made that a more permanent solution.
Of course the remain leaning commenters here will say that that deal was bad too, because they don’t want any deal that isn’t EU membership. But that argument was lost in 2016. And encouraging their representatives to vote down May’s deal in 2019 inevitably led us to a harder Brexiteer as PM and was always likely to result in a harder (i.e., for them, worse) ourcome. If only some Remainers understood how to compromise.