Don’t fall for it, they are trying to turn public opinion against the NHS to have cause to privatise it. That’s all news is, manipulation.
Covid was bad, but wait till you see what capitalism does.
It needs political focus, investment and strategic commitment just Blair did during his terms. Without this approach, everything is piecemeal, small scale with ‘ efficiencies the main priority.
Due to years of deliberate sabotage from Tories who want to privatise it to line their own pockets.
We should all be standing up to this.
Oh I wonder why that is, it couldn’t possibly be because nurses are rightly campaigning for better pay considering how important their role is and how many hours they work!
Work in A&E. Can vouch for this. It’s currently the worst time in my career.
Picked my missus up from work this morning, she said there are over 70 patients waiting in corridors waiting for a bed, they are offering the staff an extra £5 an hour to work overtime, she says she can’t be bothered, to tired from dealing with covid, that no money in the world will get her to work extra on top of her contractual hours
Here’s the thing:
* This “pressure” is created by
* Not enough hospitals
* Not enough beds
* Not enough nurses
* Not enough doctors
* Not enough ambulances
* Not enough paramedics
* etc
* Meanwhile, the fuckwits are arguing about “how those things should be administered”
* some people think the NHS should be run as a corporation, with lucrative contracts going to privately owned businesses with shareholders siphoning off the money, and claim that would be more “efficient”
* some people think the NHS should be run as a public service, where the money is spent just on helping people get healthier
In a way, it doesn’t matter how the NHS is run, at the end of the day there need to be enough hospitals, beds, nurses, doctors, ambulances and paramedics.
Let’s get those things in place, and then argue about how it’s run, and whether it should also be created as a way to funnel money into the pockets of Tory politicians and their mates.
UK is becoming a failed state. Once the bastion of opportunity the GFC gave the UK a beating. Brexit then took the last breaths out.
Now the UK is a dying mess, collapsing right before our eyes.
The only people coming are desperados from Africa and Asia and they’ll soon stop coming when they realise their home countries offer more potential
Just genuinely interested not trying to make any points can anyone explain to me how it’s worse now than peak covid? Are there more sick/dying people now with just normal illnesses? I get the the tories have crippled it but how does that explain that there’s more people trying to get into A&E than peak of a global pandemic?
We need a government that cares / isn’t doing this on purpose.
If only they paid nurses enough to work in hospitals then it wouldn’t be under pressure
“He added that a severe flu outbreak, made worse by a lack of immunity in people due to COVID isolation measures, has meant that bed occupancy is at a record level.”
I remember when predicting this was a conspiracy theory.
Maybe if the biggest service users (pensioners) paid NI contributions towards the NHS, there would be more funds available. They are essentially using the service for free. Social care needs to be looked at as elderly, medically fine patients are clogging up beds as they’ve nowhere to be discharged too.
I do get the idea that there is a desire from some quarters for the NHS to ‘collapse’ and then to propose ‘radical reform’.
The problem I see in this is the quite recent realisation by the public that they just cannot afford capitalism as it pertains to public services, certainly not healthcare. I just don’t think it will be accepted these days.
It was different a decade ago when most people were still blissfully ignorant of the importance of public services to their own quality of life.
I still think they should have kept that new 1.5% NHS tax they backpeddled on. I mean I’m biased because I’m below the tax threshold but it made a while lot of sense to me. It might of shown the country the government aren’t actively trying to break the NHS
Also not to mention that a former nurse is suing them for anti white racism.
Seriously though please go and support amy Gallagher.
the NHS has been a dreadful experience for a decade plus now, it’s sad
Would be interesting to see patient levels across western Europe. Is th NHS dealing with a larger surge? Are they less capable at handling it?
As someone not from the UK I wonder, was the NHS struggling pre-pandemic too? Because many countries are having problems, independent from whether that country has universal healthcare or not, and these problems did exist pre-pandemic too. Hospitals full and/or understaffed, as for my country it’s usually understaffed and these problems existed way before COVID was a thing. Then COVID hit and things became worse, our health minister arguing that we’re not having enough personal and beds, which was the direct result of my government actually removing beds every single year and they’re still doing this, yet on the other hand cry that people gotta isolate or protect themself so they don’t occupy hospital beds due to understaffing and having not enough beds, which if you ask me is an absolutely insane joke and I cannot understand how media is still presenting it as a news that’s just apparent right now instead of properly putting on display that governments have fucked up health care for decades now making them unfit for a pandemic or any other health crisis. It’s “to save some money” but the problem is the only people benefiting from this are the ones making these decisions but the decision mainly affect the citizens, so in a way you could say people on the top are reducing help measurements on purpose to make some bucks even tho it costs lives.
3 Years, 3 freaking Years, where we faced the problem of not having enough capacities in our hospitals, so instead of stocking up on more capacity, people were told to stay at home while at the same time the governments removed even more capacities from the hospitals. And in addition to that, staff is underpaid and overworked, which too was already the case pre-pandemic, and instead of sufficiently rising the pay and work conditions, people have been let go because “their colleagues can chip in for them”.
As per the conservatoid’s plan.
Never give in, never relent and never back down from them. Fight for the NHS, healthcare is a human right.
Where my partner works people are going off sick left right and center which is just increasing workload on the people still working there and causing them more stress etc.
But then you also just get the selfish people who called in sick over christmas because it was their turn to work christmas day this year
Im a nurse up in the North, and in my almost 2 years here in the UK, I cannot recall a worse time than this. Staff are falling one by one getting ill, mostly short-staffed in the wards now. Our trust has been upping the per hour rates by up to 60% since december but not many take it because we’re overworked.
It definitely feels that way. I straight up MISS 2020 if you can believe it
NHS nurse having three days off atm. Absolutely dreading going back. Wait times absolutely horrendous.
Because we’ve had a couple more years of post -Brexit Tory mismanagement of the NHS and the whole economy.
UK will only be livable for the wealthiest citizens soon, and that’s just the way the Tories like it.
No worries, those 350 mil promised sould kick in anyday now…. aaaaaanyday….
It’s crazy that the government literally locked down the whole country to ‘protect the NHS’ but now when it’s far worse they’re doing absolutely nothing. (Not calling for new lockdowns btw just *some* type of action by the gov)
NSFW potential trigger warnings. I can testify to this. We knew we were having a silent Misccarage over the Christmas period, had our second scan after Christmas at which point it’s confirmed that it’s non viable, no heartbeat and it’s basically shrinking in size.
At which point we get a few options one is to get it removed with help from pills etc. My wife ended up with all the side effects possible and was feeling faint etc and the pain was unbearable.
Nipped to A&E at 1900hrs we got seen to within the hour for them to ask us what was the issue while my wife was just hunched over sobbing. We eventually get to triage and then from there majors but there are no beds available.
We had to wait in the corridors (all corridors were taken with patients) not enough staff to deal with it all either and not enough portable beds so some were sat in chairs. Charts got lost so we were delayed on getting pain relief by a few hours(I was ear wigging and this was constantly happening) It was about 2 in the morning we got some relief but by then my wife had basically passed the baby while in the bed with other patients nearby(less than 2m away) So we had asked for help for her to be taken to a toilet a few times (she was in too much pain for me to move her without assistance) but we just didn’t get help and they had not enough staff.
She was lying on the bed for hours with blood thoroughly soaked through with the fetus ready to be disposed of. We had to keep asking for help for her to be able to change her towel and also dispose of the dead baby but it took a long time.
The whole thing was really grim and life changing for both of us. The staff were trying their best but honestly they are overworked and understaffed.
Been a grim Christmas and I’m not ready to go back to work tomorrow and have all the “everyone feeling refreshed and had a good break” comments.
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I was in the a&e yesterday. 60 patients were waiting for a bed. Can’t imagine the strain.
I agree it should be treated as a humanitarian disaster or are we not human . It doesn’t take a fool to see the NHS is crumbling before our very eyes , the richer people don’t care as they can go private for most things .
The only way this will change is if every MP experiences an emergency with their nearest and dearest and they have to use the NHS , see how they feel about it then , there would be money pumped back into it left right and centre if that happened . Health should never ever be about money !!!!!!
The Tories are at fault for gutting the NHS and doing their best to destroy it, so that they can be justified in replacing it with private healthcare.
It’s incredible that the NHS and its staff are coping as well as they are considering how much is squeezed out of them year by year, month by month. But, eventually it will all collapse, and it will be 100% the fault of the Tories and their supporters.
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Don’t fall for it, they are trying to turn public opinion against the NHS to have cause to privatise it. That’s all news is, manipulation.
Covid was bad, but wait till you see what capitalism does.
It needs political focus, investment and strategic commitment just Blair did during his terms. Without this approach, everything is piecemeal, small scale with ‘ efficiencies the main priority.
Due to years of deliberate sabotage from Tories who want to privatise it to line their own pockets.
We should all be standing up to this.
Oh I wonder why that is, it couldn’t possibly be because nurses are rightly campaigning for better pay considering how important their role is and how many hours they work!
Work in A&E. Can vouch for this. It’s currently the worst time in my career.
Picked my missus up from work this morning, she said there are over 70 patients waiting in corridors waiting for a bed, they are offering the staff an extra £5 an hour to work overtime, she says she can’t be bothered, to tired from dealing with covid, that no money in the world will get her to work extra on top of her contractual hours
Here’s the thing:
* This “pressure” is created by
* Not enough hospitals
* Not enough beds
* Not enough nurses
* Not enough doctors
* Not enough ambulances
* Not enough paramedics
* etc
* Meanwhile, the fuckwits are arguing about “how those things should be administered”
* some people think the NHS should be run as a corporation, with lucrative contracts going to privately owned businesses with shareholders siphoning off the money, and claim that would be more “efficient”
* some people think the NHS should be run as a public service, where the money is spent just on helping people get healthier
In a way, it doesn’t matter how the NHS is run, at the end of the day there need to be enough hospitals, beds, nurses, doctors, ambulances and paramedics.
Let’s get those things in place, and then argue about how it’s run, and whether it should also be created as a way to funnel money into the pockets of Tory politicians and their mates.
UK is becoming a failed state. Once the bastion of opportunity the GFC gave the UK a beating. Brexit then took the last breaths out.
Now the UK is a dying mess, collapsing right before our eyes.
The only people coming are desperados from Africa and Asia and they’ll soon stop coming when they realise their home countries offer more potential
Just genuinely interested not trying to make any points can anyone explain to me how it’s worse now than peak covid? Are there more sick/dying people now with just normal illnesses? I get the the tories have crippled it but how does that explain that there’s more people trying to get into A&E than peak of a global pandemic?
We need a government that cares / isn’t doing this on purpose.
If only they paid nurses enough to work in hospitals then it wouldn’t be under pressure
“He added that a severe flu outbreak, made worse by a lack of immunity in people due to COVID isolation measures, has meant that bed occupancy is at a record level.”
I remember when predicting this was a conspiracy theory.
Maybe if the biggest service users (pensioners) paid NI contributions towards the NHS, there would be more funds available. They are essentially using the service for free. Social care needs to be looked at as elderly, medically fine patients are clogging up beds as they’ve nowhere to be discharged too.
I do get the idea that there is a desire from some quarters for the NHS to ‘collapse’ and then to propose ‘radical reform’.
The problem I see in this is the quite recent realisation by the public that they just cannot afford capitalism as it pertains to public services, certainly not healthcare. I just don’t think it will be accepted these days.
It was different a decade ago when most people were still blissfully ignorant of the importance of public services to their own quality of life.
I still think they should have kept that new 1.5% NHS tax they backpeddled on. I mean I’m biased because I’m below the tax threshold but it made a while lot of sense to me. It might of shown the country the government aren’t actively trying to break the NHS
Also not to mention that a former nurse is suing them for anti white racism.
Seriously though please go and support amy Gallagher.
the NHS has been a dreadful experience for a decade plus now, it’s sad
Would be interesting to see patient levels across western Europe. Is th NHS dealing with a larger surge? Are they less capable at handling it?
As someone not from the UK I wonder, was the NHS struggling pre-pandemic too? Because many countries are having problems, independent from whether that country has universal healthcare or not, and these problems did exist pre-pandemic too. Hospitals full and/or understaffed, as for my country it’s usually understaffed and these problems existed way before COVID was a thing. Then COVID hit and things became worse, our health minister arguing that we’re not having enough personal and beds, which was the direct result of my government actually removing beds every single year and they’re still doing this, yet on the other hand cry that people gotta isolate or protect themself so they don’t occupy hospital beds due to understaffing and having not enough beds, which if you ask me is an absolutely insane joke and I cannot understand how media is still presenting it as a news that’s just apparent right now instead of properly putting on display that governments have fucked up health care for decades now making them unfit for a pandemic or any other health crisis. It’s “to save some money” but the problem is the only people benefiting from this are the ones making these decisions but the decision mainly affect the citizens, so in a way you could say people on the top are reducing help measurements on purpose to make some bucks even tho it costs lives.
3 Years, 3 freaking Years, where we faced the problem of not having enough capacities in our hospitals, so instead of stocking up on more capacity, people were told to stay at home while at the same time the governments removed even more capacities from the hospitals. And in addition to that, staff is underpaid and overworked, which too was already the case pre-pandemic, and instead of sufficiently rising the pay and work conditions, people have been let go because “their colleagues can chip in for them”.
As per the conservatoid’s plan.
Never give in, never relent and never back down from them. Fight for the NHS, healthcare is a human right.
Where my partner works people are going off sick left right and center which is just increasing workload on the people still working there and causing them more stress etc.
But then you also just get the selfish people who called in sick over christmas because it was their turn to work christmas day this year
Im a nurse up in the North, and in my almost 2 years here in the UK, I cannot recall a worse time than this. Staff are falling one by one getting ill, mostly short-staffed in the wards now. Our trust has been upping the per hour rates by up to 60% since december but not many take it because we’re overworked.
It definitely feels that way. I straight up MISS 2020 if you can believe it
NHS nurse having three days off atm. Absolutely dreading going back. Wait times absolutely horrendous.
Because we’ve had a couple more years of post -Brexit Tory mismanagement of the NHS and the whole economy.
UK will only be livable for the wealthiest citizens soon, and that’s just the way the Tories like it.
No worries, those 350 mil promised sould kick in anyday now…. aaaaaanyday….
It’s crazy that the government literally locked down the whole country to ‘protect the NHS’ but now when it’s far worse they’re doing absolutely nothing. (Not calling for new lockdowns btw just *some* type of action by the gov)
NSFW potential trigger warnings. I can testify to this. We knew we were having a silent Misccarage over the Christmas period, had our second scan after Christmas at which point it’s confirmed that it’s non viable, no heartbeat and it’s basically shrinking in size.
At which point we get a few options one is to get it removed with help from pills etc. My wife ended up with all the side effects possible and was feeling faint etc and the pain was unbearable.
Nipped to A&E at 1900hrs we got seen to within the hour for them to ask us what was the issue while my wife was just hunched over sobbing. We eventually get to triage and then from there majors but there are no beds available.
We had to wait in the corridors (all corridors were taken with patients) not enough staff to deal with it all either and not enough portable beds so some were sat in chairs. Charts got lost so we were delayed on getting pain relief by a few hours(I was ear wigging and this was constantly happening) It was about 2 in the morning we got some relief but by then my wife had basically passed the baby while in the bed with other patients nearby(less than 2m away) So we had asked for help for her to be taken to a toilet a few times (she was in too much pain for me to move her without assistance) but we just didn’t get help and they had not enough staff.
She was lying on the bed for hours with blood thoroughly soaked through with the fetus ready to be disposed of. We had to keep asking for help for her to be able to change her towel and also dispose of the dead baby but it took a long time.
The whole thing was really grim and life changing for both of us. The staff were trying their best but honestly they are overworked and understaffed.
Been a grim Christmas and I’m not ready to go back to work tomorrow and have all the “everyone feeling refreshed and had a good break” comments.
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I was in the a&e yesterday. 60 patients were waiting for a bed. Can’t imagine the strain.
I agree it should be treated as a humanitarian disaster or are we not human . It doesn’t take a fool to see the NHS is crumbling before our very eyes , the richer people don’t care as they can go private for most things .
The only way this will change is if every MP experiences an emergency with their nearest and dearest and they have to use the NHS , see how they feel about it then , there would be money pumped back into it left right and centre if that happened . Health should never ever be about money !!!!!!
The Tories are at fault for gutting the NHS and doing their best to destroy it, so that they can be justified in replacing it with private healthcare.
It’s incredible that the NHS and its staff are coping as well as they are considering how much is squeezed out of them year by year, month by month. But, eventually it will all collapse, and it will be 100% the fault of the Tories and their supporters.
Refund the NHS.
Refund the NHS.
Refund the NHS.