Great! No new homes in towns and villages where gigabit internet is unavailable because the exchange does not yet provide it. Visionary London-centrism.
Can’t we just focus on upgrading the entire network first loads of places are still using old copper phone lines with zero access to anything better
The cost of infrastructure is relatively low. Legal fees and time related to digging across private fields is the issue.
not sure why everyone is so against this. Not installing gigabit would just mean that in 3-5 years they have to dig up all the roads again to install it then. The gigabit rollout in the UK is going pretty well and its competitive (as in operators are willing to overbuild each others networks and still expect to draw a profit) with plenty of small operators raising money through PE etc.
High speed internet has the potential to aid social mobility and make the country a touch less London/city centric.
Its also unlikely to really affect house building, if you go to an operator and say that you’re building 50 homes and that they can do their installations alongside your work they’ll jump at the chance, for them its 50 new potential customers and significantly reduced capex cost as they’re not footing the bill to dig up and re-lay the road/pavement, also means no wayleaves costs and less admin since they’re just piggybacking on someone else’s civil work
I notice that any new developments built in my area over the last few years have had FTTP installed by default anyway, even if the surrounding areas don’t have access.
Thank fuck. Moved into a building that got converted to flat 2 years ago. No internet, no phone line. I am in the middle of a large city btw with all my neighbours having fttp.
I’m for anything that breaks the monopoly viirgin has on half decent internet. Having to renegotiate the price every 2 years sucks
This post and the article don’t even read the same. The new houses only need to be fitted with the gear to be able to handle gigabit.
I live in a town in the North West with about 60,000 population as well, also waiting for 5G mobile for decent internet, we haven’t got that either. Get rid of the useless landline.
So what does this mean for new build development where they use there own network that maxes out 500mbps. Looking at you persimmon homes/fibernest
I just moved into a house on an estate that was built in 2017, we can only get 60mb DSL here whilst the surrounded streets can all get gigabit FTTP.
It amazes me that someone was building a house in 2017 and they never thought about sodding internet connectivity.
well, i can almost guarantee that they did think about it but it came down to cost
Its good, apart from the fact builders keep installing their own ISP and they are the only ones allowed to service said line. No completion meaning they charge what they like
Where I am we are meant to have “super fast fiber!” yet the exchange can manage about 5mb. They layed the cable and everything but didn’t update the exchange!
That will be good news for the buyers of the 18 new houses we build next year
Now make it a requirement for new homes to actually be constructed well with good materials and insulation.
But not EV charge points or solar on roofs?
Dont get me wrong, I have FTTP and its awesome, TBH too quick. (scaled down to 110mbps from 330 possible). But its not as important as actually doing something about carbon emissions…
Meanwhile my parents home still doesn’t have fibre to the cabinet
Gigabit? Are you sure it’s not a googol? *distant spluttering*
Or a Megatron… no, not that. Maybe a nanomole? I think it’s a nanomole. Yes that is it, a nanomole is now legally required for new homes in our wonderful British land of greatness and empire and sheep.
Gigabit. Hmmm. Giga, giga, giga… Googol *cough*.
YES it’s a googol! Final answer.
Googols for all! And a better country we’d be for it.
(Well aware this makes little sense; simply for the purpose of making a silly extended joke 🙃)
I live in small pit village between Durham and Sunderland and we can have 10Gbps FTTP we plumbed for 1Gbps as I thought 10Gbps was a bit excessive.
I live in _tiny_ village in rural England, we have had a gigabit FTTP **symmetrical** connection for about 8 years. It is only BT/Openreach that still tries to flog internet over Victorian phone lines.
The main house builders cottoned on to this a few years back. A number of houses we looked at have no BT, Virgin, etc. but do have a broadband offering run by some spinoff of the housing company. If you want gigabit, you have to buy through them. My sister in law lives in such an estate and pays about £60 for 1gig connection.
I live in spitting distance and pay £30 for 1gig (but yes it’s Virgin so not everyone will like it).
Concern with the former is the lock-in.. if they’re the only choice they can ramp up prices.
Good luck with that lmao.
I’m still stuck at 20mbit, and I’m within the north circular.
I live in a gated development and there’s no chance of anyone running internet there for just the 8 properties within it. I’ve got some Virgin Media quotes of like £10k to run fibre there but only 1 or 2 of the other residents are interested. All we have now (and are expected to have for years) is FTTC with a max of 50Mbps. Any ideas on how I can reduce the costs?
Wonder how this affects housing developments in remote areas…
Will this take us even further away from our housing targets?
I still can’t get more than 50Mb download in my area… ☹️
Good way to fuck over any individuals trying to build a house in the countryside.
I’m confused. Isn’t internet supplied by an ISP rather than by the house itself.
I’d more like a new home to have Ethernet ports as standard to be honest…
Wow, so existing households in rural areas still either have no phone line or are on a shared line that runs at max a couple of hundred kilobytes per second. (Yes you read that right kilobytes).
We run EE 4g broadband due to the shared line speed (rural area) which with the 4G runs between 40-80 Mbps for £25 per month sacked off the line rental.
If only not starving to death in a freezing cold home while working a full time job was part of their plan.
That’s good, as with most things gigabit Ethernet will never reach rural Scotland because fuck the ones that live further away from London eh? Some amount of bullshit
I mean this is great but my last few rentals have all been fttp (which was a requirement for all new builds prior).
Great in itself apart from the fact ISP are always usually tied to BT, as they offer the fastest speeds over OpenReach, generally. Sure you can try Sky and some others but meh..
Plus, they massively cap upload speeds, offer 900mbs as download but even with gigabit capable routers, networking and devices, you rarely get anywhere close.
So until they make it law that ISPs need to provide better options, it won’t make too much of a difference, imo.
The put in fibre to a house less than 100m up the road from us but they had our house listed as part of a different area because they are incompetent so now we won’t be getting fibre any time this century. We have been stuck on 7mbs at the best of times for 20 years and for the past year have had to use a phone as a hotspot because the copper line is no longer tenable and a router can’t pick up the connection so the phone is the only workable method. This still barely gets us up to 20mbs at the best of times because we are just outside the town and the signal is patchy. They need to do better and stop being so incompetent when installing fibre, they hassle it took that house down from us is insulting.
And yet, my home doesn’t even get bloody fibre optic.
But apparently confirming to building regs isn’t a requirement for new homes.
Il be happy for this, where I live in Birmingham the best we can get is around 10mb due to it still being such an old system
It would probably be better to mandate the upgrading of existing DSL/VDSL/cable installations, that way new developments aren’t blocked because of no infrastructure and everyone starts to get fibre. No use just saying “every new house get gigabit” because it’s just not going to happen unless existing installations are ripped out and the government properly fund it all.
So if I want to have a network running less than 1 gigabit, I will be arrested?
can’t wait for the Scottish highlands housing crisis
> Allows **broadband providers** in England and Wales to seek access rights via court.
No fucking chance of any broadband provider bothering to do this.
Why is it that UK consumers need their feckless broadband providers to do everything, from argue with Openreach to taking landlords to court?
Doesn’t matter, unless you’re a gamer – anything over 150 is pretty academic anyway, as a good chunk of the infrastructure bottlenecks at about that.
I had gigabit a year ago, reduced it to 150 after 3-4 months, I really can’t tell the difference.
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Great! No new homes in towns and villages where gigabit internet is unavailable because the exchange does not yet provide it. Visionary London-centrism.
Can’t we just focus on upgrading the entire network first loads of places are still using old copper phone lines with zero access to anything better
The cost of infrastructure is relatively low. Legal fees and time related to digging across private fields is the issue.
not sure why everyone is so against this. Not installing gigabit would just mean that in 3-5 years they have to dig up all the roads again to install it then. The gigabit rollout in the UK is going pretty well and its competitive (as in operators are willing to overbuild each others networks and still expect to draw a profit) with plenty of small operators raising money through PE etc.
High speed internet has the potential to aid social mobility and make the country a touch less London/city centric.
Its also unlikely to really affect house building, if you go to an operator and say that you’re building 50 homes and that they can do their installations alongside your work they’ll jump at the chance, for them its 50 new potential customers and significantly reduced capex cost as they’re not footing the bill to dig up and re-lay the road/pavement, also means no wayleaves costs and less admin since they’re just piggybacking on someone else’s civil work
I notice that any new developments built in my area over the last few years have had FTTP installed by default anyway, even if the surrounding areas don’t have access.
Thank fuck. Moved into a building that got converted to flat 2 years ago. No internet, no phone line. I am in the middle of a large city btw with all my neighbours having fttp.
I’m for anything that breaks the monopoly viirgin has on half decent internet. Having to renegotiate the price every 2 years sucks
This post and the article don’t even read the same. The new houses only need to be fitted with the gear to be able to handle gigabit.
I’m always reminded of [THIS](https://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-broadband-race-in-1990-1224784) whenever anyone mentions our internet capabilities in the UK.
I live in a town in the North West with about 60,000 population as well, also waiting for 5G mobile for decent internet, we haven’t got that either. Get rid of the useless landline.
So what does this mean for new build development where they use there own network that maxes out 500mbps. Looking at you persimmon homes/fibernest
I just moved into a house on an estate that was built in 2017, we can only get 60mb DSL here whilst the surrounded streets can all get gigabit FTTP.
It amazes me that someone was building a house in 2017 and they never thought about sodding internet connectivity.
well, i can almost guarantee that they did think about it but it came down to cost
Its good, apart from the fact builders keep installing their own ISP and they are the only ones allowed to service said line. No completion meaning they charge what they like
Where I am we are meant to have “super fast fiber!” yet the exchange can manage about 5mb. They layed the cable and everything but didn’t update the exchange!
That will be good news for the buyers of the 18 new houses we build next year
Now make it a requirement for new homes to actually be constructed well with good materials and insulation.
But not EV charge points or solar on roofs?
Dont get me wrong, I have FTTP and its awesome, TBH too quick. (scaled down to 110mbps from 330 possible). But its not as important as actually doing something about carbon emissions…
Meanwhile my parents home still doesn’t have fibre to the cabinet
Gigabit? Are you sure it’s not a googol? *distant spluttering*
Or a Megatron… no, not that. Maybe a nanomole? I think it’s a nanomole. Yes that is it, a nanomole is now legally required for new homes in our wonderful British land of greatness and empire and sheep.
Gigabit. Hmmm. Giga, giga, giga… Googol *cough*.
YES it’s a googol! Final answer.
Googols for all! And a better country we’d be for it.
(Well aware this makes little sense; simply for the purpose of making a silly extended joke 🙃)
I live in small pit village between Durham and Sunderland and we can have 10Gbps FTTP we plumbed for 1Gbps as I thought 10Gbps was a bit excessive.
I live in _tiny_ village in rural England, we have had a gigabit FTTP **symmetrical** connection for about 8 years. It is only BT/Openreach that still tries to flog internet over Victorian phone lines.
The main house builders cottoned on to this a few years back. A number of houses we looked at have no BT, Virgin, etc. but do have a broadband offering run by some spinoff of the housing company. If you want gigabit, you have to buy through them. My sister in law lives in such an estate and pays about £60 for 1gig connection.
I live in spitting distance and pay £30 for 1gig (but yes it’s Virgin so not everyone will like it).
Concern with the former is the lock-in.. if they’re the only choice they can ramp up prices.
Good luck with that lmao.
I’m still stuck at 20mbit, and I’m within the north circular.
I live in a gated development and there’s no chance of anyone running internet there for just the 8 properties within it. I’ve got some Virgin Media quotes of like £10k to run fibre there but only 1 or 2 of the other residents are interested. All we have now (and are expected to have for years) is FTTC with a max of 50Mbps. Any ideas on how I can reduce the costs?
Wonder how this affects housing developments in remote areas…
Will this take us even further away from our housing targets?
I still can’t get more than 50Mb download in my area… ☹️
Good way to fuck over any individuals trying to build a house in the countryside.
I’m confused. Isn’t internet supplied by an ISP rather than by the house itself.
I’d more like a new home to have Ethernet ports as standard to be honest…
Wow, so existing households in rural areas still either have no phone line or are on a shared line that runs at max a couple of hundred kilobytes per second. (Yes you read that right kilobytes).
We run EE 4g broadband due to the shared line speed (rural area) which with the 4G runs between 40-80 Mbps for £25 per month sacked off the line rental.
If only not starving to death in a freezing cold home while working a full time job was part of their plan.
That’s good, as with most things gigabit Ethernet will never reach rural Scotland because fuck the ones that live further away from London eh? Some amount of bullshit
I mean this is great but my last few rentals have all been fttp (which was a requirement for all new builds prior).
Great in itself apart from the fact ISP are always usually tied to BT, as they offer the fastest speeds over OpenReach, generally. Sure you can try Sky and some others but meh..
Plus, they massively cap upload speeds, offer 900mbs as download but even with gigabit capable routers, networking and devices, you rarely get anywhere close.
So until they make it law that ISPs need to provide better options, it won’t make too much of a difference, imo.
The put in fibre to a house less than 100m up the road from us but they had our house listed as part of a different area because they are incompetent so now we won’t be getting fibre any time this century. We have been stuck on 7mbs at the best of times for 20 years and for the past year have had to use a phone as a hotspot because the copper line is no longer tenable and a router can’t pick up the connection so the phone is the only workable method. This still barely gets us up to 20mbs at the best of times because we are just outside the town and the signal is patchy. They need to do better and stop being so incompetent when installing fibre, they hassle it took that house down from us is insulting.
And yet, my home doesn’t even get bloody fibre optic.
But apparently confirming to building regs isn’t a requirement for new homes.
Il be happy for this, where I live in Birmingham the best we can get is around 10mb due to it still being such an old system
It would probably be better to mandate the upgrading of existing DSL/VDSL/cable installations, that way new developments aren’t blocked because of no infrastructure and everyone starts to get fibre. No use just saying “every new house get gigabit” because it’s just not going to happen unless existing installations are ripped out and the government properly fund it all.
So if I want to have a network running less than 1 gigabit, I will be arrested?
can’t wait for the Scottish highlands housing crisis
> Allows **broadband providers** in England and Wales to seek access rights via court.
No fucking chance of any broadband provider bothering to do this.
Why is it that UK consumers need their feckless broadband providers to do everything, from argue with Openreach to taking landlords to court?
Doesn’t matter, unless you’re a gamer – anything over 150 is pretty academic anyway, as a good chunk of the infrastructure bottlenecks at about that.
I had gigabit a year ago, reduced it to 150 after 3-4 months, I really can’t tell the difference.