What a dimwit. Russia is waging war on the people of Ukraine and their soverign nation, by both terror attacks from drones, cruise missiles and artillery shelling, as well as a full scale land invasion.
US “involvement” is supplying the legitimate and democratically elected government of Ukraine the means to defend themselves.
Russia is waging a war at Ukraines expense and other countries are helping Ukraine defend itself. That’s as complicated as it gets, unless you are Russian, a Russian shill, or a moron. Possibly two of those things.
It’s a bunch of democratic nations trying to beat the shit out of an authoritarian nation by pumping another democratic nation full of guns, money, and military intel.
It’s absolutely true that that’s a proxy war, but it’s not true in the sense Milanović means: *it’s completely morally justifiable*. If the bully won’t stop being a bully, you don’t let them pick people off one by one, you gang up on them and hit them until they’re pooping their teeth out. That’s how these things work, regardless of whether you’re dealing with fists or artillery.
This is why democracies tend to win wars: they’re not *necessarily* better at fighting than autocracies, but autocracies tend to stab one another in the back when given a chance, whereas, with democracies, you might be *fighting* only *one* democratic country, but that one democratic country is probably being used as a club by like five or ten more of them that all hate you and want the one you’re fighting to mess you up.
typical Slavic politicians playing the centrist apologetism card to distract from their own corruption 🙄
from all the millions of topics you could actually criticize USA over (at the correct event)… they always pick the most idiotic argumentation to completely bomb your head with gaga i tara.
mrš Zorane.
This fucking cretin. Doesn’t he remember the 90’s?
How can he look at Ukraine and not see that they are fighting the same war his own country, the Bosniacs, the Slovenians and the Kosovans fought a few decades ago?
we are not.
but even if that’s true…so what. Ukraine needed “ammunition, not a ride” and we gave a small amount of it to them.
we could and should give a lot more and really turn this into a proxy war if that’s something people are going to blame us for.
why pussy foot around anymore, let the dogs of war loose and really give Ukraine what they need.
Good think he doesn’t have any power. Can we just ignore him
The worst thing about these people is how they’re talking like Ukraine has no agency of its own. Ask Ukrainians whether American support is coming at “Ukraine’s expense”. The support is only there as long as Ukrainians want to fight back against Russia.
A common Kremlin narrative. The fact of the matter is that Europe should’ve been the biggest supplier of military hardware to Ukraine, not the US. This a war in Europe’s backyard, yet the Americans are pulling most of the weight.
That said, there is a very strong support for Ukraine in Europe. These Kremlin fanboys always want to make it look like a US-Russia conflict. It is not. It’s a Europe/West-Russia/Russian allies conflict. It’s democracy vs dictatorship conflict.
He’s right tbh. Afghanistan ended, so USA needed another war.
Kremlin apologist.
Idiot
Fucking idiot, how the hell is Russia’s invasion “proxy”
Technically it’s not a proxy war when one of the super powers is directly involved.
Classy. Really glad these guys are part of Schengen.
I don’t think he knows what a proxy war is..
This guy doesnt have support from Croatian people,as soon as he got elected as president,he completely changed his narrative.He was always full social democrat,after he got elected he switched to populism and saying everything contrary to our official government.He is just having fun.No need to take this guy seriously.His support comes from far right wing,anti-vaxxers and anti EU,anti NATO.Luckily presidential position is just formal and has no power.
Also:
Croatian President: USA And Nazi Germany are “waging Proxy war at France’s expense”
So what does the Croatian president suggest as a solution? Does the article say that?
Just because it’s a proxy war for the US, it doesn’t mean it’s not Russia’s fault. Russia is fully involved, it’s the aggressor state, and it will get its ass handed to them.
I do geniunely believe America helping Ukraine is good for everyone involved BUT all nations especially America have a reputation of calling in favours down the line. let’s say America gets another trump esque figure in the 2030s/2040s and American interests clash with Ukrainian ones, don’t yall think there will be a LOT of twisting arms going like “oh don’t you remember all we did for you? now hand over those resource rights” or even possibly a regime change if the Ukraine for some reason deviates from Western interests.
America just found itself in a very lucrative situation where it could expand its power and still maintain global reputation due to Russia completely fucking up.
Did he just sleep through Jan,Feb and March 2022??
Utterly delusional.
Yeah because what intrest would Ukraine have in self preservation? Why would they even want a say in the situation right? Fuck us Americans for offering aid.
Everyone loves to shit on us for every little thing yet everyone is all to eager to have our forces at the ready to defend their countries should they come under attack like Ukraine. I’m looking at [France](https://youtu.be/iW2Z-DCXSBw) especially.
Europe is all for our blood, weapons and resources to be at their defense should they be invaded but outside of that we are beneath them. If Europe gets attacked by Russia we fight for them, if we get attacked by China them suddenly European countries like France say its not they’re problem to get involved with.
US has tricked Russia to become brain washed genocidal machine state. Not cool, US /s
Fucking asshole.
Dear Croatian President
please go fuck yourself with a giant Bad Dragon XXXXXXXL dildo
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What a dimwit. Russia is waging war on the people of Ukraine and their soverign nation, by both terror attacks from drones, cruise missiles and artillery shelling, as well as a full scale land invasion.
US “involvement” is supplying the legitimate and democratically elected government of Ukraine the means to defend themselves.
Russia is waging a war at Ukraines expense and other countries are helping Ukraine defend itself. That’s as complicated as it gets, unless you are Russian, a Russian shill, or a moron. Possibly two of those things.
It’s a bunch of democratic nations trying to beat the shit out of an authoritarian nation by pumping another democratic nation full of guns, money, and military intel.
It’s absolutely true that that’s a proxy war, but it’s not true in the sense Milanović means: *it’s completely morally justifiable*. If the bully won’t stop being a bully, you don’t let them pick people off one by one, you gang up on them and hit them until they’re pooping their teeth out. That’s how these things work, regardless of whether you’re dealing with fists or artillery.
This is why democracies tend to win wars: they’re not *necessarily* better at fighting than autocracies, but autocracies tend to stab one another in the back when given a chance, whereas, with democracies, you might be *fighting* only *one* democratic country, but that one democratic country is probably being used as a club by like five or ten more of them that all hate you and want the one you’re fighting to mess you up.
typical Slavic politicians playing the centrist apologetism card to distract from their own corruption 🙄
from all the millions of topics you could actually criticize USA over (at the correct event)… they always pick the most idiotic argumentation to completely bomb your head with gaga i tara.
mrš Zorane.
This fucking cretin. Doesn’t he remember the 90’s?
How can he look at Ukraine and not see that they are fighting the same war his own country, the Bosniacs, the Slovenians and the Kosovans fought a few decades ago?
we are not.
but even if that’s true…so what. Ukraine needed “ammunition, not a ride” and we gave a small amount of it to them.
we could and should give a lot more and really turn this into a proxy war if that’s something people are going to blame us for.
why pussy foot around anymore, let the dogs of war loose and really give Ukraine what they need.
Good think he doesn’t have any power. Can we just ignore him
The worst thing about these people is how they’re talking like Ukraine has no agency of its own. Ask Ukrainians whether American support is coming at “Ukraine’s expense”. The support is only there as long as Ukrainians want to fight back against Russia.
A common Kremlin narrative. The fact of the matter is that Europe should’ve been the biggest supplier of military hardware to Ukraine, not the US. This a war in Europe’s backyard, yet the Americans are pulling most of the weight.
That said, there is a very strong support for Ukraine in Europe. These Kremlin fanboys always want to make it look like a US-Russia conflict. It is not. It’s a Europe/West-Russia/Russian allies conflict. It’s democracy vs dictatorship conflict.
He’s right tbh. Afghanistan ended, so USA needed another war.
Kremlin apologist.
Idiot
Fucking idiot, how the hell is Russia’s invasion “proxy”
Technically it’s not a proxy war when one of the super powers is directly involved.
Classy. Really glad these guys are part of Schengen.
I don’t think he knows what a proxy war is..
This guy doesnt have support from Croatian people,as soon as he got elected as president,he completely changed his narrative.He was always full social democrat,after he got elected he switched to populism and saying everything contrary to our official government.He is just having fun.No need to take this guy seriously.His support comes from far right wing,anti-vaxxers and anti EU,anti NATO.Luckily presidential position is just formal and has no power.
Also:
Croatian President: USA And Nazi Germany are “waging Proxy war at France’s expense”
So what does the Croatian president suggest as a solution? Does the article say that?
Just because it’s a proxy war for the US, it doesn’t mean it’s not Russia’s fault. Russia is fully involved, it’s the aggressor state, and it will get its ass handed to them.
I do geniunely believe America helping Ukraine is good for everyone involved BUT all nations especially America have a reputation of calling in favours down the line. let’s say America gets another trump esque figure in the 2030s/2040s and American interests clash with Ukrainian ones, don’t yall think there will be a LOT of twisting arms going like “oh don’t you remember all we did for you? now hand over those resource rights” or even possibly a regime change if the Ukraine for some reason deviates from Western interests.
America just found itself in a very lucrative situation where it could expand its power and still maintain global reputation due to Russia completely fucking up.
Did he just sleep through Jan,Feb and March 2022??
Utterly delusional.
Yeah because what intrest would Ukraine have in self preservation? Why would they even want a say in the situation right? Fuck us Americans for offering aid.
Everyone loves to shit on us for every little thing yet everyone is all to eager to have our forces at the ready to defend their countries should they come under attack like Ukraine. I’m looking at [France](https://youtu.be/iW2Z-DCXSBw) especially.
Europe is all for our blood, weapons and resources to be at their defense should they be invaded but outside of that we are beneath them. If Europe gets attacked by Russia we fight for them, if we get attacked by China them suddenly European countries like France say its not they’re problem to get involved with.
US has tricked Russia to become brain washed genocidal machine state. Not cool, US /s
Fucking asshole.
Dear Croatian President
please go fuck yourself with a giant Bad Dragon XXXXXXXL dildo
sincere regards
me