I’ve never heard anybody less inspiring than Kier Starmer. It’s like being told off by a dull teacher you don’t really respect.
He’ll get a lot of hate on here for being a pragmatist. But ultimately the way forward lies within the massive gulf that exists between the current shitcunt self serving greed merchants that pass for our government, and the type of massive unattainable spend fest that was promised by the last incarnation of Labour right before it got absolutely wiped out at general election.
This makes sense to me, the last time Labour got the country out of the mess Tories left they were accused of bankrupting the country as a result which was absolute nonsense.
The national debt now is much higher than it was when they were last in power so they have to be very careful when spending because they know the media will turn on them for every little thing.
Says he as he supports Kwarteng/Hunt’s energy subsidy. Tens of billions of £s on a scheme that disproportionately helps people with bigger homes. And having blown all that money (instead of targeting the help at those that need it), “fiscal discipline” means there’s then no money for public services or decent public sector pay awards.
I am so fucking sick and tired of liberal capitalists.
So we’re cancelling the coronation then, right?
**Right..?!**
inb4 Tory operatives pretending to be disappointed Labour supporters claim he’s Tory light
​
>!Too late!<
“I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top.”
Kier Starmer is like John Major – so thoroughly uninspiring…..
Nothing like a a good fiscing to remind you that money is the only lube
Considering they don’t know what damage has been done to the public purse… They can’t for sure say we won’t have to tighten our belts.
How about taxing the ultra wealthy rather than punishing the poor yet again…
It’s time for a change but the tories could do a lot of damage in two years, especially to the NHS
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Start by closing all the corporate tax loopholes, Keir?
He has to wait to see what inflation does and also under promise and over deliver and if he was to want to end non doms and close a few loop holes then it’s probably best to win the election first and impose changes with immediate effect in the budget.
Austerity, specially recently, has been about hurting the little guy to protect the big guy.
So you can be anti-austerity while being financially responsible.
But… the British Press intentionally refuse to understand this, which in turn bleeds into the general public
All the major political parties are very economically similar. All they do is divide the populous on contentious social issues.
Remember the much loved Chucka Umunna who was likely going to lead the party? Now he’s an investment banker at JP Morgan….. very left wing indeed!
Tony Blair…. How much is he worth now?
It’s all theatre people. The sooner the masses realise that, the sooner we can demand real and effective change.
Remember. It’s less important about how much your country is in debt by.
It’s more important about what that debt is.
Spending 10 billion on education or infrastructure or transportation…is costly.
Spending 10 billion which ends up in the pockets of bankers, CEO’s who end up cutting jobs, Shareholders who ‘just exist’, property developers who create housing for the extremely wealthy….
One gives you a return. The other does not. Invest in society and society thrives. That money comes back. Invest in any of the other things and they pocket the money and most likely take it out of the country.
So when the news media in the UK talk about fiscal responsibility. Worry less about how much and instead focus on what on.
Hahahaha okay mate. Austerity it is, everyone. Buckle up.
That’s the consequence of refusing to join the Single Market. £40 billion in lost tax revenue.
Keir Starmer is the most pointless man alive. It’s wild how little of a point there is to him.
All you need to do Keir, is not making disgusting contracts with your business buddies. Repeat that Tory transgression and you’ll be lynched at dawn I say I say.
So I hear you’re fiscally disciplined, now Father?
The Tories just squandered 12 years of record low interest rates to borrow and invest for the country. Now it’s expensive.
Jesus Christ.
Small target. Corbyn got destroyed for an ambitious and progressive policy agenda; Australian Labor leader Bill Shorten got destroyed in 2019 for a similarly ambitious agenda. Australian Labour won a landslide election last year by proposing a modest agenda aimed at the centre of the electorate. In this hostile commercially-owned news media environment, presenting a small target is a smart way forward.
“We’re not going to make things better, just stop them getting worse”
Completely delusional to think people will just suffer for 10 more years while Labour claim they are actually fixing everything, honest. Keir Starmer is not the sort of person who will be able to carry off the “things will be much better in a decade!” spiel.
He will have two years to achieve a significant change in peoples lives. That’s not possible considering they are doing ‘centrist’ ideology, basically restrained conservatism.
He is part of the establishment and with others undermined our chance of a decent government in 2017 and as such him and his pals are not only Tory enablers but have much the same ideology with their backers such as private healthcare contributes supporting them.
The man made pledges in his leadership campaign, even saying he supports trade unions and the thing is he has broken every pledge and I don’t trust him anymore then I trust the Tories.
Our politics is truly broken.
Talks about fiscal displine while saying he won’t tax wealth. Why is it that the poor have to exercise discipline but the wealthy can continue to be as greedy as they like?
I’m against violence but sometimes you need to punch someone.
And that folks, in a nutshell, is why next to nothing will change under a Starmer government.
He buys into the whole deficit myth like a true orthodox neoliberal. A recipie for more economic stagnation and decline.
Red Tory or Blue, it won’t make any difference.
Didn’t he agree to use the army to stop protests if needed ?
What’s another option cos this guys the same as the rest of them
Spending isn’t the problem, the problem is frivolous spending on bullshit nobody was asking for, like free broadband for everyone.
Massive infrastructure and services spending is exactly what the UK needs.
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I’ve never heard anybody less inspiring than Kier Starmer. It’s like being told off by a dull teacher you don’t really respect.
He’ll get a lot of hate on here for being a pragmatist. But ultimately the way forward lies within the massive gulf that exists between the current shitcunt self serving greed merchants that pass for our government, and the type of massive unattainable spend fest that was promised by the last incarnation of Labour right before it got absolutely wiped out at general election.
This makes sense to me, the last time Labour got the country out of the mess Tories left they were accused of bankrupting the country as a result which was absolute nonsense.
The national debt now is much higher than it was when they were last in power so they have to be very careful when spending because they know the media will turn on them for every little thing.
Says he as he supports Kwarteng/Hunt’s energy subsidy. Tens of billions of £s on a scheme that disproportionately helps people with bigger homes. And having blown all that money (instead of targeting the help at those that need it), “fiscal discipline” means there’s then no money for public services or decent public sector pay awards.
I am so fucking sick and tired of liberal capitalists.
So we’re cancelling the coronation then, right?
**Right..?!**
inb4 Tory operatives pretending to be disappointed Labour supporters claim he’s Tory light
​
>!Too late!<
“I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top.”
Kier Starmer is like John Major – so thoroughly uninspiring…..
Nothing like a a good fiscing to remind you that money is the only lube
Considering they don’t know what damage has been done to the public purse… They can’t for sure say we won’t have to tighten our belts.
How about taxing the ultra wealthy rather than punishing the poor yet again…
It’s time for a change but the tories could do a lot of damage in two years, especially to the NHS
[deleted]
Start by closing all the corporate tax loopholes, Keir?
He has to wait to see what inflation does and also under promise and over deliver and if he was to want to end non doms and close a few loop holes then it’s probably best to win the election first and impose changes with immediate effect in the budget.
Austerity, specially recently, has been about hurting the little guy to protect the big guy.
So you can be anti-austerity while being financially responsible.
But… the British Press intentionally refuse to understand this, which in turn bleeds into the general public
All the major political parties are very economically similar. All they do is divide the populous on contentious social issues.
Remember the much loved Chucka Umunna who was likely going to lead the party? Now he’s an investment banker at JP Morgan….. very left wing indeed!
Tony Blair…. How much is he worth now?
It’s all theatre people. The sooner the masses realise that, the sooner we can demand real and effective change.
Remember. It’s less important about how much your country is in debt by.
It’s more important about what that debt is.
Spending 10 billion on education or infrastructure or transportation…is costly.
Spending 10 billion which ends up in the pockets of bankers, CEO’s who end up cutting jobs, Shareholders who ‘just exist’, property developers who create housing for the extremely wealthy….
One gives you a return. The other does not. Invest in society and society thrives. That money comes back. Invest in any of the other things and they pocket the money and most likely take it out of the country.
So when the news media in the UK talk about fiscal responsibility. Worry less about how much and instead focus on what on.
Hahahaha okay mate. Austerity it is, everyone. Buckle up.
That’s the consequence of refusing to join the Single Market. £40 billion in lost tax revenue.
Keir Starmer is the most pointless man alive. It’s wild how little of a point there is to him.
All you need to do Keir, is not making disgusting contracts with your business buddies. Repeat that Tory transgression and you’ll be lynched at dawn I say I say.
So I hear you’re fiscally disciplined, now Father?
The Tories just squandered 12 years of record low interest rates to borrow and invest for the country. Now it’s expensive.
Jesus Christ.
Small target. Corbyn got destroyed for an ambitious and progressive policy agenda; Australian Labor leader Bill Shorten got destroyed in 2019 for a similarly ambitious agenda. Australian Labour won a landslide election last year by proposing a modest agenda aimed at the centre of the electorate. In this hostile commercially-owned news media environment, presenting a small target is a smart way forward.
“We’re not going to make things better, just stop them getting worse”
Completely delusional to think people will just suffer for 10 more years while Labour claim they are actually fixing everything, honest. Keir Starmer is not the sort of person who will be able to carry off the “things will be much better in a decade!” spiel.
He will have two years to achieve a significant change in peoples lives. That’s not possible considering they are doing ‘centrist’ ideology, basically restrained conservatism.
He is part of the establishment and with others undermined our chance of a decent government in 2017 and as such him and his pals are not only Tory enablers but have much the same ideology with their backers such as private healthcare contributes supporting them.
The man made pledges in his leadership campaign, even saying he supports trade unions and the thing is he has broken every pledge and I don’t trust him anymore then I trust the Tories.
Our politics is truly broken.
Talks about fiscal displine while saying he won’t tax wealth. Why is it that the poor have to exercise discipline but the wealthy can continue to be as greedy as they like?
I’m against violence but sometimes you need to punch someone.
And that folks, in a nutshell, is why next to nothing will change under a Starmer government.
He buys into the whole deficit myth like a true orthodox neoliberal. A recipie for more economic stagnation and decline.
Red Tory or Blue, it won’t make any difference.
Didn’t he agree to use the army to stop protests if needed ?
What’s another option cos this guys the same as the rest of them
Spending isn’t the problem, the problem is frivolous spending on bullshit nobody was asking for, like free broadband for everyone.
Massive infrastructure and services spending is exactly what the UK needs.