Coupled with the gerrymandering going on it is almost as if this was the idea all along.
I’m sure there will be a massive media campaign to make sure everyone knows what they need to do in good time, though. Any day now… right?
In before Reddit complains that people aren’t immediately aware of new voter ID laws that have been deliberately poorly advertised.
60% overall, 62% of conservative voters, 46% of labour voters unaware of how the changes to require a photo ID to vote work.
That’s a truely absymal number. The irony that it’s going to hurt the conservative party is hilarious though.
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Isn’t the card only needed if you don’t have a passport or driver’s licence? The majority have one if not both, no?
I keep saying this but if the goal wasn’t disenfranchisement then they would have sent a voter ID card to every registered voter and not just set up an additional unnecessary barrier to taking part in the democratic process and then telling everyone to figure it out themselves.
wouldn’t this affect the AOPs more there always seem out the lop so kind of feels like they stabbing them self in the foot.
the problem will be when all the younger voters, find any form of ID they have, is oddly invalid, whilst grannys IDs are all fine
This is a really shocking poll and just goes to show the insidious nature of the voter ID law, which is clearly to ward off voters.
This is nothing but a cynical attempt by those on power to desperately hold on to that power.
So in Northern Ireland you need ID to vote due to voter fraud issues BUT there is a load of ID you can use including the pensioners bus pass. You can also get an electoral card for free which has the date you turn 18 and a photo. When I was 17 the electoral office came to our school and registered us including getting the photo for our card taken for free. All of these mean there is little disenfranchisement from requiring ID. For it to work in the rest of the UK they need similar policies
But what about the massive voter fraud… that doesn’t actually exist.
Thank you very much for posting this, I had no idea!
Just submitted my application 🤗
You only need ID if voting in polling station, not need it for postal votes, so if you don’t have ID and don’t want to apply for ID, just change to postal voting.
I seem to remember the Tories were utterly opposed to any kind of ID cards when they were proposed years ago, because we weren’t ‘Nazi Germany’ etc. I guess if it means the opposition might lose a few votes from them, that is a price worth paying.
Canada, Germany, France, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway and others all have ID required to vote, why is it contentious here?
I’m reading this Government have a Survey on Digital IDs and people have until March of this year to respond.
There’s a chap called Richard Vobes on YT explaining what’s happening and asking people to vote.
I wonder what demographic are more likely to be anti conservative? I’m honestly flabbergasted, I just can’t figure it out.
I’m generally not in favour of rioting, but if someone takes away your right to vote, it’s time to properly riot.
Voting rights are sacrosanct to any functional democracy. This needs to be stopped.
Weirdly the “solution” being provided is not a “Voter ID” but a “Voter Authority Certificate”. Essentially, the Government is authorising you to vote. Clearly ending the connection between your Human Right to a Vote – recognised in International Law – and the Practice of voting. It really is just an exercise in disenfranchising people.
– Make it harder to vote for people other than your usual voter base
– Ban protests
– Ban striking
– Use language to demonise “others” reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
If it looks like it, smells like it, walks like it……
It’s total reprehensible bollocks. Riot against this shit:
For young people only:
Nothing.
For some people:
Drivers license
Passport
Blue badge
Registered Blind SmartPass or Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
For old people only:
Older Person’s Bus Pass
Disabled Person’s Bus Pass
Oyster 60+ Card
Freedom Pass
Scottish National Entitlement Card
60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Is ID going to be absolutely required in every instance or in cases or on the occasions where you forget your polling card and give your name and address?
I don’t think this is the huge disenfranchisement that many are making it out to be, it brings us into line with a lot of other countries and is hardly on the scale of some very deliberate voter suppression tactics in the US. In person voter fraud is a non-issue compared to postal voter fraud, so I don’t really see the necessity tbh.
Why can’t we just have ID cards like Europe? As someone who can’t drive for medical reasons it’s annoying having to either carry a passport everywhere or pay some sketchy company for a card half of places won’t even accept anyway.
If it wasn’t for posts about it on this sub, I wouldn’t know. I regularly watch the news and have never seen this covered. This is the kind of thing they need constant coverage of because it actually impacts people. But they give hourly coverage to things like the Queen’s funeral and the latest sport results.
Literally every European country uses voter ID, why we so special.
Most young people aren’t even registered to vote, let alone voting.
Anyone think this could backfire?
I’m half tempted to start mass printing posters that say the Tories are stealing young people’s votes to encourage more of them to vote. Anyone else want in? We could plaster the entire country with them.
All we should need is to use our current id, whether that is a passport or our driving license or something else official, in order to register for voter id.
At this point everybody should just have a simple damned voter id just like other sane countries.
There need be no complicated steps other than proof of identity/residence.
At the VERY least all NEW voters should need one when registering, but I think this should apply to everybody no matter your age, as an agist system would favour young/old left/right.
For a transition period, all current forms of accepted id should be allowed, namely passport.
The idea that you don’t need ID to vote is preposterous.
You all do stupid shit like vote for Brexit anyway.
Probably best to have a test like this before you can vote.
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Free voter document
A new free voter document, to be called a Voter Authority Certificate (VAC), will be made available for those without any other form of photographic ID. People are likely to be able to apply for these from January 2023. The detailed draft secondary legislation required for the applications process was laid in Parliament on 3 November 2022, and approved by both Houses of Parliament in December 2022.
Accepted forms of ID include a UK, European Economic Area (EEA) or Commonwealth passport; a UK, EEA or Commonwealth drivers’ licence; and some concessionary travel passes, such as an older person’s bus pass or an Oyster 60+ card. Voters will be able to use expired ID if they are still recognisable from the photo.
Anyone who does not have one of the accepted forms of ID will be able to apply for free ID. Applications can be submitted through the UK government’s online portal or by submitting a paper form to the relevant local authority. Applications are expected to open next week
Wait, I don’t have a driving licence as I’ve never been interested in driving and my Passport is out of date, I’m 41. So I have to pay to vote, is that what we are saying? If I want to vote as a 41 year old man with zero disabilities (which also might come with some form of I’d) then I HAVE to either pay for a provisional licence or a new passport?
Is that actually democracy?
People don’t know because they have been told yet as elections are months off.
Typical bullshit “outrage” churnalism.
Sign up for a postal vote just like the 60+ all do.
Use your bloody ID like every other country and stop moaning. It’s stops fraud end of.
Anyone seen a single public announcement/ advert about voter IDs? I bet they’ll botch that.. that would be a shame, wouldn’t it. Good job you have youve got your bus pass! No.. not you, young one.
Sounds very digital ID cashless push to me, bent over Britain will be eff all though!
Working as intended, Tories need to get rid of young voters.
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Coupled with the gerrymandering going on it is almost as if this was the idea all along.
I’m sure there will be a massive media campaign to make sure everyone knows what they need to do in good time, though. Any day now… right?
In before Reddit complains that people aren’t immediately aware of new voter ID laws that have been deliberately poorly advertised.
60% overall, 62% of conservative voters, 46% of labour voters unaware of how the changes to require a photo ID to vote work.
That’s a truely absymal number. The irony that it’s going to hurt the conservative party is hilarious though.
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Isn’t the card only needed if you don’t have a passport or driver’s licence? The majority have one if not both, no?
I keep saying this but if the goal wasn’t disenfranchisement then they would have sent a voter ID card to every registered voter and not just set up an additional unnecessary barrier to taking part in the democratic process and then telling everyone to figure it out themselves.
wouldn’t this affect the AOPs more there always seem out the lop so kind of feels like they stabbing them self in the foot.
the problem will be when all the younger voters, find any form of ID they have, is oddly invalid, whilst grannys IDs are all fine
This is a really shocking poll and just goes to show the insidious nature of the voter ID law, which is clearly to ward off voters.
This is nothing but a cynical attempt by those on power to desperately hold on to that power.
So in Northern Ireland you need ID to vote due to voter fraud issues BUT there is a load of ID you can use including the pensioners bus pass. You can also get an electoral card for free which has the date you turn 18 and a photo. When I was 17 the electoral office came to our school and registered us including getting the photo for our card taken for free. All of these mean there is little disenfranchisement from requiring ID. For it to work in the rest of the UK they need similar policies
But what about the massive voter fraud… that doesn’t actually exist.
Thank you very much for posting this, I had no idea!
Just submitted my application 🤗
You only need ID if voting in polling station, not need it for postal votes, so if you don’t have ID and don’t want to apply for ID, just change to postal voting.
I seem to remember the Tories were utterly opposed to any kind of ID cards when they were proposed years ago, because we weren’t ‘Nazi Germany’ etc. I guess if it means the opposition might lose a few votes from them, that is a price worth paying.
Canada, Germany, France, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway and others all have ID required to vote, why is it contentious here?
I’m reading this Government have a Survey on Digital IDs and people have until March of this year to respond.
There’s a chap called Richard Vobes on YT explaining what’s happening and asking people to vote.
I wonder what demographic are more likely to be anti conservative? I’m honestly flabbergasted, I just can’t figure it out.
I’m generally not in favour of rioting, but if someone takes away your right to vote, it’s time to properly riot.
Voting rights are sacrosanct to any functional democracy. This needs to be stopped.
Weirdly the “solution” being provided is not a “Voter ID” but a “Voter Authority Certificate”. Essentially, the Government is authorising you to vote. Clearly ending the connection between your Human Right to a Vote – recognised in International Law – and the Practice of voting. It really is just an exercise in disenfranchising people.
– Make it harder to vote for people other than your usual voter base
– Ban protests
– Ban striking
– Use language to demonise “others” reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
If it looks like it, smells like it, walks like it……
It’s total reprehensible bollocks. Riot against this shit:
For young people only:
Nothing.
For some people:
Drivers license
Passport
Blue badge
Registered Blind SmartPass or Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
For old people only:
Older Person’s Bus Pass
Disabled Person’s Bus Pass
Oyster 60+ Card
Freedom Pass
Scottish National Entitlement Card
60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Is ID going to be absolutely required in every instance or in cases or on the occasions where you forget your polling card and give your name and address?
I don’t think this is the huge disenfranchisement that many are making it out to be, it brings us into line with a lot of other countries and is hardly on the scale of some very deliberate voter suppression tactics in the US. In person voter fraud is a non-issue compared to postal voter fraud, so I don’t really see the necessity tbh.
Why can’t we just have ID cards like Europe? As someone who can’t drive for medical reasons it’s annoying having to either carry a passport everywhere or pay some sketchy company for a card half of places won’t even accept anyway.
If it wasn’t for posts about it on this sub, I wouldn’t know. I regularly watch the news and have never seen this covered. This is the kind of thing they need constant coverage of because it actually impacts people. But they give hourly coverage to things like the Queen’s funeral and the latest sport results.
Literally every European country uses voter ID, why we so special.
Most young people aren’t even registered to vote, let alone voting.
Anyone think this could backfire?
I’m half tempted to start mass printing posters that say the Tories are stealing young people’s votes to encourage more of them to vote. Anyone else want in? We could plaster the entire country with them.
All we should need is to use our current id, whether that is a passport or our driving license or something else official, in order to register for voter id.
At this point everybody should just have a simple damned voter id just like other sane countries.
There need be no complicated steps other than proof of identity/residence.
At the VERY least all NEW voters should need one when registering, but I think this should apply to everybody no matter your age, as an agist system would favour young/old left/right.
For a transition period, all current forms of accepted id should be allowed, namely passport.
The idea that you don’t need ID to vote is preposterous.
You all do stupid shit like vote for Brexit anyway.
Probably best to have a test like this before you can vote.
[deleted]
Free voter document
A new free voter document, to be called a Voter Authority Certificate (VAC), will be made available for those without any other form of photographic ID. People are likely to be able to apply for these from January 2023. The detailed draft secondary legislation required for the applications process was laid in Parliament on 3 November 2022, and approved by both Houses of Parliament in December 2022.
Source https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9187/
Accepted forms of ID include a UK, European Economic Area (EEA) or Commonwealth passport; a UK, EEA or Commonwealth drivers’ licence; and some concessionary travel passes, such as an older person’s bus pass or an Oyster 60+ card. Voters will be able to use expired ID if they are still recognisable from the photo.
Anyone who does not have one of the accepted forms of ID will be able to apply for free ID. Applications can be submitted through the UK government’s online portal or by submitting a paper form to the relevant local authority. Applications are expected to open next week
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/bring-id-vote-new-campaign-launched
Wait, I don’t have a driving licence as I’ve never been interested in driving and my Passport is out of date, I’m 41. So I have to pay to vote, is that what we are saying? If I want to vote as a 41 year old man with zero disabilities (which also might come with some form of I’d) then I HAVE to either pay for a provisional licence or a new passport?
Is that actually democracy?
People don’t know because they have been told yet as elections are months off.
Typical bullshit “outrage” churnalism.
Sign up for a postal vote just like the 60+ all do.
Use your bloody ID like every other country and stop moaning. It’s stops fraud end of.
Anyone seen a single public announcement/ advert about voter IDs? I bet they’ll botch that.. that would be a shame, wouldn’t it. Good job you have youve got your bus pass! No.. not you, young one.
Sounds very digital ID cashless push to me, bent over Britain will be eff all though!
Working as intended, Tories need to get rid of young voters.