Not by far. The Swiss work on average 35.2 hours a week according to the OECD compared with 36.4 hours in Britain, 38 in Spain, 42.1 in Greece and 48.9 in Turkey.
Imagine working almost 50 hours per week like in Turkey, and still being poor as fuck.
PS: Looks like someone got so mad at this that they’re using the Reddit suicide watch to harass me, what a joke 🤣
Ig identifiziere mi ungloublech fest mit mire Arbeit und es ish dr grossteil vo mim Läbe. Es ish mir aber bewusst und ig finges normal. I chas nid verstah wie lüt ihri Arbeit aus nid wichtig empfinde, d Arbeit wo e Mensch vollbringt zeichent es bild vo sire eigete Kompetenz. Kompetenz isch ds einzig wahre Verglichsmittu um Klarheit ir Bevölkerig z schaffe.
where do you think welfare and wealth come from? not doing anything?
Leider ja. Das ist etwas was ich an unserer Kultur nicht mag. Klar, Arbeit ist definitiv nicht wertlos! Aber wir übertreiben es im grossen und ganzen.
No. But Switzerland is one of the more meritocratic, materialist (but not flaunting!) societies in existence right now. This is why so many foreigners come here with the dream of “working harder and earning more” than back home.
People who have specialized jobs that pay well are especially regarded, tend to earn well, and compared to most countries get to keep a relatively large percentage of their wages. Ideally, they also like doing what they do. If you can get into such a position, this is probably one of the best countries to live. If not, it can be unbearable.
Is that from a school textbook? The addiction to work is real and quite prevalent in Switzerland. Life here literally revolves around so much work and the pressure to conform is affecting the mental health of many people. But for what? To gain more materialistic possessions and to impress others.
No, I think they’re not…I work for a Swiss company; having involved in projects with them, I’ve noticed they do their job effectively, no playing around, efficient working hours, once the clock hit 1700hs it’s fertig.
Wir leben in einer Kranken Sklaven Gesellschaft leider
The protesant work ethic is definitely still going strong.
I would not say swiss are workaholic. At evening time everyone is leaving office at decent times. In my home country the working hours are longer (despite less productive)
But there is certainly a culture of “your worth of society is what you offer to society” and this is a lot of times your job. And honestly… work it is very important.
What i do not understand though is the need of asking people what is their job outside of work environment, like a party for example.
But in my limited personal experience I would not qualify it as workaholic.
In English?
“Auch hängt die Identität in der Schweiz stark von der Arbeit ab.”
“We don’t have any personality except for our job title.”
Aber aus welcher Quelle? Dieser Kontext ist ja wohl entscheidend. Oder hab’ ich’s übersehen?
During the working week you spend +50% of the time you are awake at at work… (asuming ypu get about 8h sleep).
Pre-Burnout society with a lack of therapists (who are sounding the alarm!) – a desaster waiting to happen.
I had a co-worker who would work on the weekend off the clock to “get away from his family” boss fully supports this.
Es geht den Leuten hier aber auch dank dieser Einstellung besser als in anderen Ländern.
Hohe stellewert…. Als ob men e wahl hetti zwische schaffe oder ned, und selbst wemmer vollpensum schafft inem ottonormal job haltet men sich knapp über wasser. Keis wunder das die schwiiz depressions mässig eine vode höchti plätz belegt.
In der Schweiz wird man geboren um zu Produzieren. Wer nicht produziert ist wertlos und wird auch so behandelt.
Traurig.
My first August 1st in Switzerland, about 10 years ago, I attended a village celebration. It was a sunny afternoon, there was music, a communal meal in a big tent, children running around… very convivial.
Then the mayor got up and gave a speech – patriotic, naturally, on such a day. Rather than praise or enthuse about any of the many wonderful things in the country, the speech focussed on work : how much Swiss people love to work, how important work is for the country, just how great working is.
The idea of the national holiday being used to celebrate work has always stuck with me. Bear in mind, I live in Romandie. Outre-Sarine, I can only imagine that the work productivity is so impressive on August 1st, such is the ecstasy evoked, it would make the end of Perfume look tame.
So isches doch genau… und au schwerumgänglich mitere 42 stunde-wuche. Bin amel grad chli niidisch ud üsi nochbere mit 32 stunde…
It depends how you think about it. If you think in terms of hours spent at work, no. In hours spent with work, even less (there the Greek in first and Spanish in second).
There are IMO three reasons for this perception we have of working a lot:
– we work less hours than European average. We just happen to be surrounded by three countries who are even below us (Germany with the fewest hours, with France and Austria being lower than us as well).
– hours spent at work =/= hours of work. We spend way less time at work than spaniards and helenes, but the work is far more no-nonsense and to the point. Further hours spent with work can be a factor of a long commute. With a 60min commute at work, I still have one of the longest in my department. When working abroad my 90min commute was considered pretty short.
– we take work very very seriously, sometimes too much.
But in practice, in my experiences abroad and from labour economics data, we spend fewer hours with work on average than a lot of the “developed” world. We just happen to make it a massively bigger emotional part of our lives, and dedicated far more to it. IMO oc.
Switzerland: praises it’s work ethic
Switzerland: literally one of the best, richest, most beautiful countries in the world
This sub: “WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK 42 HOURS WAAAAA”
you are a clown op
The wealth isnt just random. Swiss take their work seriously, they usually take pride in what they do and most even like it (to some extent). That‘s why you have the made in Switzerland, why rich people trust us with their money, etc.
To be fair this is similar to other nations like Germany and Japan. Coincidentally those also do disproportionately well economically…
I don’t know… In my company, i see two extremes. One is those who work a lot, long hours, no breaks, lot’s of stress, borderline burn-out. And then there are others who have an hour of lunch break and about 30minutes Kafi-break for each z’nüni & z’vieri, ready to leave at 5.
>Workaholic society?
depends on which country you compare it too. there are countries where people sleep half the day during work. while there are countries where people get up at 6am to work until 10pm with little to no break!
Yes
Without a title or a job you are just another government welfare looser here……even as a teenage freelancer
We have to be workaholics because our parliament (respectively it’s burgeoise majority) has organized our pension system in a way that forks all the profit to the finance industry.
Therfore Mr. and Mrs. Swiss have to work constantly in order to generate those profits for the finance industry. Otherwise they’ll be poor once they become old :p
Former boss told me once, a real Swiss is made to work hard. Ä richtige Schwiizer isch zum chrampfe gmacht.
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Not by far. The Swiss work on average 35.2 hours a week according to the OECD compared with 36.4 hours in Britain, 38 in Spain, 42.1 in Greece and 48.9 in Turkey.
Imagine working almost 50 hours per week like in Turkey, and still being poor as fuck.
PS: Looks like someone got so mad at this that they’re using the Reddit suicide watch to harass me, what a joke 🤣
Ig identifiziere mi ungloublech fest mit mire Arbeit und es ish dr grossteil vo mim Läbe. Es ish mir aber bewusst und ig finges normal. I chas nid verstah wie lüt ihri Arbeit aus nid wichtig empfinde, d Arbeit wo e Mensch vollbringt zeichent es bild vo sire eigete Kompetenz. Kompetenz isch ds einzig wahre Verglichsmittu um Klarheit ir Bevölkerig z schaffe.
where do you think welfare and wealth come from? not doing anything?
Leider ja. Das ist etwas was ich an unserer Kultur nicht mag. Klar, Arbeit ist definitiv nicht wertlos! Aber wir übertreiben es im grossen und ganzen.
No. But Switzerland is one of the more meritocratic, materialist (but not flaunting!) societies in existence right now. This is why so many foreigners come here with the dream of “working harder and earning more” than back home.
People who have specialized jobs that pay well are especially regarded, tend to earn well, and compared to most countries get to keep a relatively large percentage of their wages. Ideally, they also like doing what they do. If you can get into such a position, this is probably one of the best countries to live. If not, it can be unbearable.
Is that from a school textbook? The addiction to work is real and quite prevalent in Switzerland. Life here literally revolves around so much work and the pressure to conform is affecting the mental health of many people. But for what? To gain more materialistic possessions and to impress others.
No, I think they’re not…I work for a Swiss company; having involved in projects with them, I’ve noticed they do their job effectively, no playing around, efficient working hours, once the clock hit 1700hs it’s fertig.
Wir leben in einer Kranken Sklaven Gesellschaft leider
The protesant work ethic is definitely still going strong.
I would not say swiss are workaholic. At evening time everyone is leaving office at decent times. In my home country the working hours are longer (despite less productive)
But there is certainly a culture of “your worth of society is what you offer to society” and this is a lot of times your job. And honestly… work it is very important.
What i do not understand though is the need of asking people what is their job outside of work environment, like a party for example.
But in my limited personal experience I would not qualify it as workaholic.
In English?
“Auch hängt die Identität in der Schweiz stark von der Arbeit ab.”
“We don’t have any personality except for our job title.”
Aber aus welcher Quelle? Dieser Kontext ist ja wohl entscheidend. Oder hab’ ich’s übersehen?
During the working week you spend +50% of the time you are awake at at work… (asuming ypu get about 8h sleep).
Pre-Burnout society with a lack of therapists (who are sounding the alarm!) – a desaster waiting to happen.
I had a co-worker who would work on the weekend off the clock to “get away from his family” boss fully supports this.
Es geht den Leuten hier aber auch dank dieser Einstellung besser als in anderen Ländern.
Hohe stellewert…. Als ob men e wahl hetti zwische schaffe oder ned, und selbst wemmer vollpensum schafft inem ottonormal job haltet men sich knapp über wasser. Keis wunder das die schwiiz depressions mässig eine vode höchti plätz belegt.
In der Schweiz wird man geboren um zu Produzieren. Wer nicht produziert ist wertlos und wird auch so behandelt.
Traurig.
My first August 1st in Switzerland, about 10 years ago, I attended a village celebration. It was a sunny afternoon, there was music, a communal meal in a big tent, children running around… very convivial.
Then the mayor got up and gave a speech – patriotic, naturally, on such a day. Rather than praise or enthuse about any of the many wonderful things in the country, the speech focussed on work : how much Swiss people love to work, how important work is for the country, just how great working is.
The idea of the national holiday being used to celebrate work has always stuck with me. Bear in mind, I live in Romandie. Outre-Sarine, I can only imagine that the work productivity is so impressive on August 1st, such is the ecstasy evoked, it would make the end of Perfume look tame.
So isches doch genau… und au schwerumgänglich mitere 42 stunde-wuche. Bin amel grad chli niidisch ud üsi nochbere mit 32 stunde…
It depends how you think about it. If you think in terms of hours spent at work, no. In hours spent with work, even less (there the Greek in first and Spanish in second).
There are IMO three reasons for this perception we have of working a lot:
– we work less hours than European average. We just happen to be surrounded by three countries who are even below us (Germany with the fewest hours, with France and Austria being lower than us as well).
– hours spent at work =/= hours of work. We spend way less time at work than spaniards and helenes, but the work is far more no-nonsense and to the point. Further hours spent with work can be a factor of a long commute. With a 60min commute at work, I still have one of the longest in my department. When working abroad my 90min commute was considered pretty short.
– we take work very very seriously, sometimes too much.
But in practice, in my experiences abroad and from labour economics data, we spend fewer hours with work on average than a lot of the “developed” world. We just happen to make it a massively bigger emotional part of our lives, and dedicated far more to it. IMO oc.
Switzerland: praises it’s work ethic
Switzerland: literally one of the best, richest, most beautiful countries in the world
This sub: “WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK 42 HOURS WAAAAA”
you are a clown op
The wealth isnt just random. Swiss take their work seriously, they usually take pride in what they do and most even like it (to some extent). That‘s why you have the made in Switzerland, why rich people trust us with their money, etc.
To be fair this is similar to other nations like Germany and Japan. Coincidentally those also do disproportionately well economically…
I don’t know… In my company, i see two extremes. One is those who work a lot, long hours, no breaks, lot’s of stress, borderline burn-out. And then there are others who have an hour of lunch break and about 30minutes Kafi-break for each z’nüni & z’vieri, ready to leave at 5.
>Workaholic society?
depends on which country you compare it too. there are countries where people sleep half the day during work. while there are countries where people get up at 6am to work until 10pm with little to no break!
Yes
Without a title or a job you are just another government welfare looser here……even as a teenage freelancer
We have to be workaholics because our parliament (respectively it’s burgeoise majority) has organized our pension system in a way that forks all the profit to the finance industry.
Therfore Mr. and Mrs. Swiss have to work constantly in order to generate those profits for the finance industry. Otherwise they’ll be poor once they become old :p
Former boss told me once, a real Swiss is made to work hard. Ä richtige Schwiizer isch zum chrampfe gmacht.
Peope who think like that are a dying breed.