Bit of a cock-up by someone in police or CPS then. Or he and his fixer have amazing solicitors.
Seems as though the jury couldn’t agree on numerous charges, and the ones they did find a verdict for were via a majority decision. So a total mess.
What seems to have happened is one woman blatantly lied. The video came out showing the gravity of her lies and this single handedly threw the other charges.
The resting case for his defence mentions it specifically.
It is a great example of how even though liars make a tiny percentage of cases they have a huge impact.
If I was CPS I’d be pursuing purgery charges against the liar.
Per Guardian, “Several weeks into the trial, the judge ordered the jury to find both Mendy and Matturie not guilty of raping a 19-year-old woman, after a video emerged showing her having “enthusiastic and obviously consensual sex” with Matturie.”
I really wonder what consequences, if any, this woman will face. Is it alright for a man’s career to be destroyed because a woman said so? Is it OK for him to lose millions, for him to never play for his national team again? Is she going to give him back all that? I doubt anyone will care as 99.99% of people made up their mind that he must be guilty after the media frenzy, but maybe just maybe, this will help some out there understand why innocent until proven guilty is a thing.
It appears he may be retried on the undecided cases.
Seems crazy to me that the trial lasted six months, and then two weeks of deliberation. Is there a gigantic amount of evidence and testimony or does the trial move at a snail’s pace?
I’m not going to say anything about the other women but surely that one woman must face jail time for her crimes.
Thus explaining why rape conviction rates are so utterly abysmal in this country. We don’t *know* if Mendy is a rapist, or raped any of the women here. We know at least one woman almost certainly lied about it. On this verdict we have to presume innocence and that he is not.
But are 99% of women lying when they report a rape, explaining the 1% conviction rate? No, it’s just that the burden of proof is so high for the complainant in rape cases that it’s almost impossible to get a conviction.
Throw the book at that 19 year old who has been proven to lie. She could have ruined his entire life, thank god their was video footage
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Anybody who has read even a little of the “victims” testimony are not one bit surprised by this.
The false accusers should be locked up
One of two things have happened here:
1) A man has raped multiple women and the law has failed to prosecute him
2) Some women have made up lies which have killed a very successful career and caused months of stress
Either option sucks.
Happy Friday.
No getting out the cost of living for these women lol
I’m assuming the one that was proven to be lying will not face any criminal charges whatsoever then?
Some Redditor’s here learning about how the justice system works in a functioning democracy.
Being accused of a crime doesn’t mean you committed it.
But equally, being found not guilty of a crime doesn’t mean you didn’t commit it. Just that it couldn’t be sufficiently proved.
If the ladies have been proven to lie about their claims, shouldn’t they be punished ?
Good for him.
I feel sorry for the guy though.
We have a culture of people thinking everyone who is falsely accused of rape is a rapist and then blaming the legal system when they aren’t found guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty
The problem is it’s so rare to be able to prove somebody innocent in crimes like this so you can only prove them not guilty.
That goes for both sides and is the reason you rarely see prosecutions against people who make perceived false claims.
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You can’t prove anyone lied, you can’t prove anyone is telling the truth.
Ah, cool, I wondered where I could go on the internet to find some of the grimmest opinions about sexual assault, thank god I found it!
I wonder if Pep Guardiola will ever pick him again…
Someone on here got slammed for suggesting rape had been decriminalised in the UK the other day, but 1% conviction rate is pretty shocking. I accept the burden of proof etc, but the CPS is an already high bar to get charged.
Genuine question: should professional sports clubs hold mandatory consent workshops with their squads to help educate and protect both the players and public? Fame and money can be a drug.
Rape is one of the hardest crimes to convict for a number of reasons.
If you think of a crime like theft, you can just establish physical facts. I don’t have my car, some other bloke has it – ergo it was stolen. If im driving my car, it can’t have been stolen.
With rape, you aren’t proving something happened most times. All parties accept that sex occured. What the prosecution need to prove is that there is evidence that someone did not consent. Evidence that someone definitely didn’t do something is hard.
Thats before you even get into messed up societal standards and beliefs. Many people believe that going to someone’s room or leaving the club with them is effectively consent, or going on a tinder date.
I really don’t know what the answer is. I don’t think there is currently a serious plan that could actually improve this situation quickly.
Doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, not guilty is not guilty
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Until we know actual breakdown of the case done by a legal expert we’re all sat here making guesses as to what really happened.
It maybe the burden of proof was too high or it might be that the women saw an opportunity its hard to say with the details we currently have.
I did jury service on a sexual assault a good few years ago. It’s difficult. Neither side of the story was without issues. Got to a point where the judge said he’d accept a 10-2 decision. We couldn’t even get there. 8-4 not guilty…Judge ordered a retrial. Saw it in the local paper that the defendant was convicted a few month later. Maybe new evidence came to court, maybe the defendant admitted on the stand or the prosecution was better coached. Who knows. But for the jury I was on it was “She said, he said.” And we knew it.
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Bit of a cock-up by someone in police or CPS then. Or he and his fixer have amazing solicitors.
Seems as though the jury couldn’t agree on numerous charges, and the ones they did find a verdict for were via a majority decision. So a total mess.
What seems to have happened is one woman blatantly lied. The video came out showing the gravity of her lies and this single handedly threw the other charges.
The resting case for his defence mentions it specifically.
It is a great example of how even though liars make a tiny percentage of cases they have a huge impact.
If I was CPS I’d be pursuing purgery charges against the liar.
Per Guardian, “Several weeks into the trial, the judge ordered the jury to find both Mendy and Matturie not guilty of raping a 19-year-old woman, after a video emerged showing her having “enthusiastic and obviously consensual sex” with Matturie.”
I really wonder what consequences, if any, this woman will face. Is it alright for a man’s career to be destroyed because a woman said so? Is it OK for him to lose millions, for him to never play for his national team again? Is she going to give him back all that? I doubt anyone will care as 99.99% of people made up their mind that he must be guilty after the media frenzy, but maybe just maybe, this will help some out there understand why innocent until proven guilty is a thing.
It appears he may be retried on the undecided cases.
Seems crazy to me that the trial lasted six months, and then two weeks of deliberation. Is there a gigantic amount of evidence and testimony or does the trial move at a snail’s pace?
I’m not going to say anything about the other women but surely that one woman must face jail time for her crimes.
Thus explaining why rape conviction rates are so utterly abysmal in this country. We don’t *know* if Mendy is a rapist, or raped any of the women here. We know at least one woman almost certainly lied about it. On this verdict we have to presume innocence and that he is not.
But are 99% of women lying when they report a rape, explaining the 1% conviction rate? No, it’s just that the burden of proof is so high for the complainant in rape cases that it’s almost impossible to get a conviction.
Throw the book at that 19 year old who has been proven to lie. She could have ruined his entire life, thank god their was video footage
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Anybody who has read even a little of the “victims” testimony are not one bit surprised by this.
The false accusers should be locked up
One of two things have happened here:
1) A man has raped multiple women and the law has failed to prosecute him
2) Some women have made up lies which have killed a very successful career and caused months of stress
Either option sucks.
Happy Friday.
No getting out the cost of living for these women lol
I’m assuming the one that was proven to be lying will not face any criminal charges whatsoever then?
Some Redditor’s here learning about how the justice system works in a functioning democracy.
Being accused of a crime doesn’t mean you committed it.
But equally, being found not guilty of a crime doesn’t mean you didn’t commit it. Just that it couldn’t be sufficiently proved.
If the ladies have been proven to lie about their claims, shouldn’t they be punished ?
Good for him.
I feel sorry for the guy though.
We have a culture of people thinking everyone who is falsely accused of rape is a rapist and then blaming the legal system when they aren’t found guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty
The problem is it’s so rare to be able to prove somebody innocent in crimes like this so you can only prove them not guilty.
That goes for both sides and is the reason you rarely see prosecutions against people who make perceived false claims.
​
You can’t prove anyone lied, you can’t prove anyone is telling the truth.
Ah, cool, I wondered where I could go on the internet to find some of the grimmest opinions about sexual assault, thank god I found it!
I wonder if Pep Guardiola will ever pick him again…
Someone on here got slammed for suggesting rape had been decriminalised in the UK the other day, but 1% conviction rate is pretty shocking. I accept the burden of proof etc, but the CPS is an already high bar to get charged.
Genuine question: should professional sports clubs hold mandatory consent workshops with their squads to help educate and protect both the players and public? Fame and money can be a drug.
Rape is one of the hardest crimes to convict for a number of reasons.
If you think of a crime like theft, you can just establish physical facts. I don’t have my car, some other bloke has it – ergo it was stolen. If im driving my car, it can’t have been stolen.
With rape, you aren’t proving something happened most times. All parties accept that sex occured. What the prosecution need to prove is that there is evidence that someone did not consent. Evidence that someone definitely didn’t do something is hard.
Thats before you even get into messed up societal standards and beliefs. Many people believe that going to someone’s room or leaving the club with them is effectively consent, or going on a tinder date.
I really don’t know what the answer is. I don’t think there is currently a serious plan that could actually improve this situation quickly.
Doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, not guilty is not guilty
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Until we know actual breakdown of the case done by a legal expert we’re all sat here making guesses as to what really happened.
It maybe the burden of proof was too high or it might be that the women saw an opportunity its hard to say with the details we currently have.
I did jury service on a sexual assault a good few years ago. It’s difficult. Neither side of the story was without issues. Got to a point where the judge said he’d accept a 10-2 decision. We couldn’t even get there. 8-4 not guilty…Judge ordered a retrial. Saw it in the local paper that the defendant was convicted a few month later. Maybe new evidence came to court, maybe the defendant admitted on the stand or the prosecution was better coached. Who knows. But for the jury I was on it was “She said, he said.” And we knew it.