NATO with US calling the shots is a thing because Germany made such a mess of Europe that it couldn’t stand up to the Soviets. And Germany was never invited to join the political block that became NATO, that block fought its way to Germany. With that in mind, there is something disturbing about a German politician opposing NATO. Like, what’s your deal Olaf? You don’t like how things turned out post 1945? Do you want a rewind to 1939?
There is plenty of this old commies in Germany, SPD especially.
As much as I am for defence against Russia, I mean, America does have a history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South-America, they literally have a designated space for torture of what they consider enemies (Guantanamo Bay), they have killed too many civilians in the Middle-East to even count, American intelligence agencies also spy on German, French and Scandinavian politicians and our governments ([source](https://www.sott.net/article/444408-US-spied-on-Scandinavian-countries-defence-industries-report-says))
Russia is superbad, that doesn’t make America good, it just means they are what we would consider as not **as bad**. But most people can’t understand nuance, so if one thing is bad that which is against it must be good, I’m prepared to be downvoted. Fuck American warfare and their anti-democratic means
Hell, you guys do know the current NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg a former Norwegian prime minister, was also anti-NATO for years and also wrote anti-NATO articles?
*edit; downvote me harder, and thanks for the death threats, it’s like I’m getting sent proof of the dangers I talked about directly to my PMs.*
We all grow up out of our Marxist “everybody is bad” phase. (Not even saying he was wrong but realpolitik)
People can change their mind and what happened 30 years ago isn’t necessarily relevant anymore? I’m shook:0
That may be true, but I think that the subtext here is that Scholz is personally the driving factor for the position that Germany is taking WRT Russia, and I’ve not seen material thus far sufficient to convince me of that.
I am, in fact, somewhat disinclined to believe that that is the case, given that a year ago, we were complaining about Germany’s position on Russia under Merkel.
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Now there’s a surprise
NATO with US calling the shots is a thing because Germany made such a mess of Europe that it couldn’t stand up to the Soviets. And Germany was never invited to join the political block that became NATO, that block fought its way to Germany. With that in mind, there is something disturbing about a German politician opposing NATO. Like, what’s your deal Olaf? You don’t like how things turned out post 1945? Do you want a rewind to 1939?
There is plenty of this old commies in Germany, SPD especially.
As much as I am for defence against Russia, I mean, America does have a history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South-America, they literally have a designated space for torture of what they consider enemies (Guantanamo Bay), they have killed too many civilians in the Middle-East to even count, American intelligence agencies also spy on German, French and Scandinavian politicians and our governments ([source](https://www.sott.net/article/444408-US-spied-on-Scandinavian-countries-defence-industries-report-says))
Russia is superbad, that doesn’t make America good, it just means they are what we would consider as not **as bad**. But most people can’t understand nuance, so if one thing is bad that which is against it must be good, I’m prepared to be downvoted. Fuck American warfare and their anti-democratic means
Hell, you guys do know the current NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg a former Norwegian prime minister, was also anti-NATO for years and also wrote anti-NATO articles?
*edit; downvote me harder, and thanks for the death threats, it’s like I’m getting sent proof of the dangers I talked about directly to my PMs.*
We all grow up out of our Marxist “everybody is bad” phase. (Not even saying he was wrong but realpolitik)
People can change their mind and what happened 30 years ago isn’t necessarily relevant anymore? I’m shook:0
That may be true, but I think that the subtext here is that Scholz is personally the driving factor for the position that Germany is taking WRT Russia, and I’ve not seen material thus far sufficient to convince me of that.
I am, in fact, somewhat disinclined to believe that that is the case, given that a year ago, we were complaining about Germany’s position on Russia under Merkel.
30 years ago is a long time, I’m just saying.