It’s a tough one because for example many teachers have had their lives wrecked by false accusations.
If investigations were quicker it might be different. But there’s not the resource.
But then … Do you pour more resource into invrstigating police, or into the police themselves?
the problem is arrested people regularly come up with accusations – it’s not for me to say if they are true or not.
It’s a tough one because anyone familiar with the police will tell you that people put in false complaints about them ALL the time. Brutality, rudeness, sexual assault during an arrest. All sorts. They’re mostly just disgruntled customers. I cannot see this going well.
I don’t know what the solution is, other than actually enforcing and providing the resources to investigate.
Statistically, I’m also unsure of how big a problem this is in terms of numbers. I know there has been some extremely emotionally evocative cases recently, but beyond the Met is this a systemic problem?
Good. It may also be a good idea that such individuals are not publicly named until after the trial of said cases for obvious reasons.
In fact, I’d go as far and state that anyone accused who are in a public facing position shouldn’t be named publicly til the verdict.
Sure, as long as everyone accused of rape has anonymity until they are found guilty.
Any officer accused? Does this mean if there are formal investigations or is it at any accusation?
Is there enough officers to cover the gap whilst officers are suspended? Our local police station now has 5 officers. Does that mean that one person could put that station out of action for an extended amount of time by just reporting ?
This doesn’t seem workable to me as much as the goal is obviously admirable. It would be too easy for criminals, especially organized ones, to jam up the entire local force with false accusations if they knew the definite result would be immediate suspension of the officer in question. Far more effective would be improving the investigative process (maybe have a truly independent body investigate instead of allowing the police to deal with allegations internally?) and maybe increased sentencing penalties for officers who are convicted to offset the idea that being in the police will provide them with protection from the law.
Will they do the same with politicians as loads seem to get away with stuff.
This whole run of stories has just been awful. Every day we discover another obvious thing the police disciplinary system doesn’t do.
I wonder what the implications would be for, say, where an officer was a police witness in a case
Could someone due to appear in court get someone else to nefariously accuse them of rape to affect their testimony in court
I worked in mental health hospital we had patient accuse people of rape daily. To the extreme of we are all sat in a room and patient just reports “Bob rapped me this morning” and I know for a fact Bob isn’t even at work today. We had one patient who was not allowed to work with any men even in groups because she would make allegations non stop we would have to suspend everyone.
Isn’t it possible that criminals could abuse this policy to meddle with investigations by falsely accusing officers working on their case?
It sounds like something needs to be done but the statement
“Police officers who are accused of X should be immediately automatically suspended”.
Is something that would have immediate and obviously problems even with a police force that never ever hired someone who was a rapist.
How any children have you heard call a police officer a pedo?
It isn’t hard to imagine how this could be abused massively.
I used to live in a small town with less than 15 police officers total, around 3 on duty at any time, next town over takes a minimum of 30mins likely triple) to send another police officer.
A few false accusations of rape & there’s now 8 police officers and regularly only 1 on duty.
Would be a pretty good time to do some crime, maybe some shop lifting after you’ve been cause 7 times!
If an accusation is all you need then it will be pretty easier to paralyse the police in any investigation.
Sounds nice but would be a wildly impractical policy.
This is PR puff surely? This, if enacted, would only add to the bonfire of peoples’ lives badly affected by the power of a False accusation. You could put them on desk duties perhaps, but that would still quickly deplete police ranks when gangs and crims work out how to use this new accusatory power.
“You’re under arrest”
“You’re a rapist!”
*immediate suspension*
“Well damn, he got away again!”
“Lies go twice round the world before facts have even got out of bed”
Great. Why not have every police, nurse, doctor, teacher, shop assistant, cabin crew on trustpilot? I’m sure all the ratings will be fair-minded, unbiased and genuine.
Criminals and people that hate the police and/or the state would simply accuse police officers of rape at every opportunity 🤷♂️
Step 1: Accuse all the police in your area of rape
Step 2: Rob bank
Step 3: Profit
So if everyone reading falsely accused someone today, there’d be no police tomorrow? Great plan
that officer thats recently been in the news has had accusations since before he was even on the force, hes been on the force for like 20 years or something, pretty sure labour were in power back then (my point being the mets been rotten for decades and labours done nothing about it when they could/should have). I’ll believe it when i see it
So, commit a crime and there’s a police officer who’s looking into it a bit more than you like? Accuse them of rape. Bosh, they’re suspended.
Do people realise how many times angry people accuse police officers?
Really? Brits play victim all the fucking time, even if they caused their own mess and has their name all over it.
Police will outright refuse to touch anyone or use force.
Would suspend ? Then who will be working as a Police ? Granted the inquiry must be impartial and find the cause but false accusations could wreak havoc
Would they suspend any Labour MP’s accused of rape also?
Question.
If I’m a police officer, can I get friends to accuse me of rape – each one after the last suspension ends (due to the fact I didn’t do it) – and hence get paid for no work for life?
I don’t think that’s fraud, because I will always be telling the truth that I’m innocent
It wouldn’t take long before some dickheads thought it was funny to accuse every policeman of rape. Of course they’re the first people crying about the state of their area and taking anything they can get because they can justify anything with no morals.
This should be a given, but the accused should also enjoy the anonymity of the accuser.
Really? Because that Denial of service attack waiting to happen isn’t it?
“Ok sally you go into the station and say you were gang raped by everyone in there…me, pete and george will rob the bank…we’ll meet a the rendezvous in 3 hours to split the money”
Sounds great but this would cost the taxpayer a fortune. These officers would legally, and correctly, be paid on suspension as they have not been convicted of a crime, not even charged, and have a full time contract. Then we have to make up for that with more officers. Furthermore individual officers are resented for a number of reasons and individual people would jump on the opportunity to have them suspended. This is counter-productive, and the increase in false allegation will lead to rape victims being believed even less. Furthermore, if officers are so open to being suspended by an allegation of rape, which will then be published in papers, no one in their right mind would join the police. The only way then would be big salary increase which we can’t afford. There is nothing good about this even though it seems so on the face of it.
Ye so often rape investigations take in excess of 2/3 years
Why is there a shortage of police officers and teachers??!?!
False accusations galore then!
They need to take a more balanced approach or every cop will get accused to get them off the job.
Ridiculous. You can’t suspend someone over an allegation.
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It’s a tough one because for example many teachers have had their lives wrecked by false accusations.
If investigations were quicker it might be different. But there’s not the resource.
But then … Do you pour more resource into invrstigating police, or into the police themselves?
the problem is arrested people regularly come up with accusations – it’s not for me to say if they are true or not.
It’s a tough one because anyone familiar with the police will tell you that people put in false complaints about them ALL the time. Brutality, rudeness, sexual assault during an arrest. All sorts. They’re mostly just disgruntled customers. I cannot see this going well.
I don’t know what the solution is, other than actually enforcing and providing the resources to investigate.
Statistically, I’m also unsure of how big a problem this is in terms of numbers. I know there has been some extremely emotionally evocative cases recently, but beyond the Met is this a systemic problem?
Good. It may also be a good idea that such individuals are not publicly named until after the trial of said cases for obvious reasons.
In fact, I’d go as far and state that anyone accused who are in a public facing position shouldn’t be named publicly til the verdict.
Sure, as long as everyone accused of rape has anonymity until they are found guilty.
Any officer accused? Does this mean if there are formal investigations or is it at any accusation?
Is there enough officers to cover the gap whilst officers are suspended? Our local police station now has 5 officers. Does that mean that one person could put that station out of action for an extended amount of time by just reporting ?
This doesn’t seem workable to me as much as the goal is obviously admirable. It would be too easy for criminals, especially organized ones, to jam up the entire local force with false accusations if they knew the definite result would be immediate suspension of the officer in question. Far more effective would be improving the investigative process (maybe have a truly independent body investigate instead of allowing the police to deal with allegations internally?) and maybe increased sentencing penalties for officers who are convicted to offset the idea that being in the police will provide them with protection from the law.
Will they do the same with politicians as loads seem to get away with stuff.
This whole run of stories has just been awful. Every day we discover another obvious thing the police disciplinary system doesn’t do.
I wonder what the implications would be for, say, where an officer was a police witness in a case
Could someone due to appear in court get someone else to nefariously accuse them of rape to affect their testimony in court
I worked in mental health hospital we had patient accuse people of rape daily. To the extreme of we are all sat in a room and patient just reports “Bob rapped me this morning” and I know for a fact Bob isn’t even at work today. We had one patient who was not allowed to work with any men even in groups because she would make allegations non stop we would have to suspend everyone.
Isn’t it possible that criminals could abuse this policy to meddle with investigations by falsely accusing officers working on their case?
It sounds like something needs to be done but the statement
“Police officers who are accused of X should be immediately automatically suspended”.
Is something that would have immediate and obviously problems even with a police force that never ever hired someone who was a rapist.
How any children have you heard call a police officer a pedo?
It isn’t hard to imagine how this could be abused massively.
I used to live in a small town with less than 15 police officers total, around 3 on duty at any time, next town over takes a minimum of 30mins likely triple) to send another police officer.
A few false accusations of rape & there’s now 8 police officers and regularly only 1 on duty.
Would be a pretty good time to do some crime, maybe some shop lifting after you’ve been cause 7 times!
If an accusation is all you need then it will be pretty easier to paralyse the police in any investigation.
Sounds nice but would be a wildly impractical policy.
This is PR puff surely? This, if enacted, would only add to the bonfire of peoples’ lives badly affected by the power of a False accusation. You could put them on desk duties perhaps, but that would still quickly deplete police ranks when gangs and crims work out how to use this new accusatory power.
“You’re under arrest”
“You’re a rapist!”
*immediate suspension*
“Well damn, he got away again!”
“Lies go twice round the world before facts have even got out of bed”
Great. Why not have every police, nurse, doctor, teacher, shop assistant, cabin crew on trustpilot? I’m sure all the ratings will be fair-minded, unbiased and genuine.
Criminals and people that hate the police and/or the state would simply accuse police officers of rape at every opportunity 🤷♂️
Step 1: Accuse all the police in your area of rape
Step 2: Rob bank
Step 3: Profit
So if everyone reading falsely accused someone today, there’d be no police tomorrow? Great plan
that officer thats recently been in the news has had accusations since before he was even on the force, hes been on the force for like 20 years or something, pretty sure labour were in power back then (my point being the mets been rotten for decades and labours done nothing about it when they could/should have). I’ll believe it when i see it
So, commit a crime and there’s a police officer who’s looking into it a bit more than you like? Accuse them of rape. Bosh, they’re suspended.
Do people realise how many times angry people accuse police officers?
Really? Brits play victim all the fucking time, even if they caused their own mess and has their name all over it.
Police will outright refuse to touch anyone or use force.
Would suspend ? Then who will be working as a Police ? Granted the inquiry must be impartial and find the cause but false accusations could wreak havoc
Would they suspend any Labour MP’s accused of rape also?
Question.
If I’m a police officer, can I get friends to accuse me of rape – each one after the last suspension ends (due to the fact I didn’t do it) – and hence get paid for no work for life?
I don’t think that’s fraud, because I will always be telling the truth that I’m innocent
It wouldn’t take long before some dickheads thought it was funny to accuse every policeman of rape. Of course they’re the first people crying about the state of their area and taking anything they can get because they can justify anything with no morals.
This should be a given, but the accused should also enjoy the anonymity of the accuser.
Really? Because that Denial of service attack waiting to happen isn’t it?
“Ok sally you go into the station and say you were gang raped by everyone in there…me, pete and george will rob the bank…we’ll meet a the rendezvous in 3 hours to split the money”
Sounds great but this would cost the taxpayer a fortune. These officers would legally, and correctly, be paid on suspension as they have not been convicted of a crime, not even charged, and have a full time contract. Then we have to make up for that with more officers. Furthermore individual officers are resented for a number of reasons and individual people would jump on the opportunity to have them suspended. This is counter-productive, and the increase in false allegation will lead to rape victims being believed even less. Furthermore, if officers are so open to being suspended by an allegation of rape, which will then be published in papers, no one in their right mind would join the police. The only way then would be big salary increase which we can’t afford. There is nothing good about this even though it seems so on the face of it.
Ye so often rape investigations take in excess of 2/3 years
Why is there a shortage of police officers and teachers??!?!
False accusations galore then!
They need to take a more balanced approach or every cop will get accused to get them off the job.
Ridiculous. You can’t suspend someone over an allegation.