Yep, you be my guest and leave the rest of us alone
For me, alcohol is like many of life’s pleasures. It can have a negative effect, but I enjoy it and so that’s a trade off I make.
We all make trade offs every day between our health and our enjoyment of life. We all have different judgements of which trade offs we are willing to make, and to what extent. Ultimately, it’s a personal and subjective question.
They really are trying it on atm. Smoking, alcohol, cake in the office.
I don’t consider myself 99% sober, rather, 1% drunk
If you lack the willpower to just drink in moderation then sure.
I’ll just stick to “everything in moderation” thanks.
I don’t normally drink very much but I think I will have a tipple to spite those pushing this
No it’d be really miserable. I like drinking, I like drinking with friends, with a meal, at parties, at clubs, it enhances the experience in a way alcohol free drinks never could.
There’s a middle ground to being an uncontrollable alcoholic and having to be sober all the time.
When they say no safe level they’re actually saying it will take a toll on you, but that’s not danger it’s fair wear and tear
Nope, I think we pretty much all have one vice and booze is mine. So bugger off.
The safest amount of chocolate cake to eat is probably zero, the safest amount of bacon probably zero, the safest amount to invest in shares is zero. You need to balance risk and reward with all things in life.
Personally as a low volume drinker, I’ve ended up gaining weight during Dry January so far. 250ml of red wine would have satisfied me as a treat for approx 190 calories. A Mars Bar is 228 cal, three hobnobs is 216 cal, a 40g bag of salt and vinegar Kettle Chips (meal deal sized) is 205 cal. Whilst of course the healthiest option would be to swap the red wine for nothing, or for an apple, you’ve got to have some pleasures in life.
Why don’t we all stay sober all months other than February, and then have Fucked Up February instead, where everyone goes out both evenings of every weekend and gets obliterated.
Gave up totally 8 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Never having to deal with hangovers or even just feeling a bit crappy the day after is so worth it.
I bet the writer of this piece does coke regularly.
I’m in the “rarely drink but make exceptions” category. Honestly I just don’t enjoy booze that much. But then I used to smoke and use nicotine replacements all the damn time still. I just think everyone has a vice and we should just try to encourage people to enjoy a bit of moderation for its own sake rather than trying to push the guilt buttons all the time. At the end of the day there isn’t a human culture out there that doesn’t enjoy some sort of substance so it seems to be a pretty deep-rooted part of what it means to be human, and I think denying that is itself pretty unhealthy.
If we didnt do everything that was bad for us we would never leave the house
Life is about enjoyment. If alcohol gives you that so be it aslong as it doesnt become an addition then its problematic
Id rather live a shorter life i enjoyed than live until 90 and not enjoy these life luxuries
I drink occasionally, ill continue to drink occasionally.
But I like a drink. I have never missed work, hurt anyone, let anyone down, etc due to drink. Never spent money I couldn’t afford on alcohol. Never committed a crime or anything due to drink. Alcohol has not been a net negative in my life and I see no reason to cut it out. Longevity certainly isn’t a reason, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow however healthy my life is now and in any case I don’t particularly want to extend my life as long as possible, living into very old age isn’t what I want at all.
I’m not sure I’d want to live to 100 if I couldn’t go and chat shit and have a laugh with mates and strangers in the pub.
Good lord, imagine being Sober and thinking you’re a part of a movement. Fucking “Team Discovery Channel” vibes.
Police people’s fun and wreck one of Britain’s most iconic industries in the process…
..no I’ll pass.
/r/stopdrinking exists for those that would like to drink less.
If you keep it going all year, it wouldn’t be dry January, it would just be being teetotal.
Because ever so occasionally I would like to get off my tits.
then in 12 months.
Millions have lost jobs as the brewing industry has seen record losses this year
I don’t drink but I’m not going to try and ruin it for those that do.
Please could you fuck off with this stuff and let adult’s decide for themselves what they would like to do.
Christ almighty, first the stuff about smoking and now this. Here’s a radical idea, right, it’s called “let people drink if they want to, and let people not drink if they don’t.”
This country is on its knees atm and alcohol is the only thing getting me through it.
From the subtitle of the article:
> There is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol consumption, according to new guidelines from Canada.
So once again another poorly informed journalist. The UK guidelines haven’t described alcohol consumption as “safe” for very many years. The 14 unit threshold is “low risk” in the CMO guidelines, not “safe”.
The guidelines are wilfully misinterpreted as “<14 = safe” by the alcohol industry and those who fancy a drink.
If you study the literature at anything more than a superficial level, you’d be stupid to conclude that any alcohol consumption is safe. But booze is both big business and a deeply ingrained part of the UK social fabric.
We need to be a little more grown-up in our guidance. We need to explicitly state that booze is an inherently dangerous drug and that recommended consumption for a healthy lifestyle is no alcohol, but with the caveat that a pint or a glass of wine every couple of weeks is a fairly low risk activity.
The decision whether or not to use alcohol (or any other drug, for that matter) should be for the individual to decide, but with regulation and taxation being used to minimise or offset the costs to society.
I truly wish we’d legalise hallucinogens and offer people less harmful options for when they want to party.
I’m a 30-something, respectable professional. I’ve dabbled in plenty of drugs, and alcohol is IMHO the worst.
Nothing has ever put me in danger the same way as alcohol has. From fights to falls to choking on your own vomit to liver cancer, it’s fucking dangerous.
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Now, I enjoy a good IPA or a whisky, but when it comes to partying, I’d much rather do shrooms, mdma or weed. Much more chill, much less anti social, much less risky.
Yet they’re class-A drugs.
It’s almost impossible to harm yourself on mushrooms, I don’t understand why they’re criminalised. Zero liver damage, zero adverse effects on the body, zero addiction, zero hangover.
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Dry Jan is great but we’re all just gonna start poisoning ourselves again in Feb. But it shouldn’t be a binary choice between alcohol or sobriety. Other options exist, they’re just not legal right now.
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Yep, you be my guest and leave the rest of us alone
For me, alcohol is like many of life’s pleasures. It can have a negative effect, but I enjoy it and so that’s a trade off I make.
We all make trade offs every day between our health and our enjoyment of life. We all have different judgements of which trade offs we are willing to make, and to what extent. Ultimately, it’s a personal and subjective question.
They really are trying it on atm. Smoking, alcohol, cake in the office.
I don’t consider myself 99% sober, rather, 1% drunk
If you lack the willpower to just drink in moderation then sure.
I’ll just stick to “everything in moderation” thanks.
I don’t normally drink very much but I think I will have a tipple to spite those pushing this
No it’d be really miserable. I like drinking, I like drinking with friends, with a meal, at parties, at clubs, it enhances the experience in a way alcohol free drinks never could.
There’s a middle ground to being an uncontrollable alcoholic and having to be sober all the time.
When they say no safe level they’re actually saying it will take a toll on you, but that’s not danger it’s fair wear and tear
Nope, I think we pretty much all have one vice and booze is mine. So bugger off.
The safest amount of chocolate cake to eat is probably zero, the safest amount of bacon probably zero, the safest amount to invest in shares is zero. You need to balance risk and reward with all things in life.
Personally as a low volume drinker, I’ve ended up gaining weight during Dry January so far. 250ml of red wine would have satisfied me as a treat for approx 190 calories. A Mars Bar is 228 cal, three hobnobs is 216 cal, a 40g bag of salt and vinegar Kettle Chips (meal deal sized) is 205 cal. Whilst of course the healthiest option would be to swap the red wine for nothing, or for an apple, you’ve got to have some pleasures in life.
Why don’t we all stay sober all months other than February, and then have Fucked Up February instead, where everyone goes out both evenings of every weekend and gets obliterated.
Gave up totally 8 years ago and don’t miss it at all. Never having to deal with hangovers or even just feeling a bit crappy the day after is so worth it.
I bet the writer of this piece does coke regularly.
I’m in the “rarely drink but make exceptions” category. Honestly I just don’t enjoy booze that much. But then I used to smoke and use nicotine replacements all the damn time still. I just think everyone has a vice and we should just try to encourage people to enjoy a bit of moderation for its own sake rather than trying to push the guilt buttons all the time. At the end of the day there isn’t a human culture out there that doesn’t enjoy some sort of substance so it seems to be a pretty deep-rooted part of what it means to be human, and I think denying that is itself pretty unhealthy.
If we didnt do everything that was bad for us we would never leave the house
Life is about enjoyment. If alcohol gives you that so be it aslong as it doesnt become an addition then its problematic
Id rather live a shorter life i enjoyed than live until 90 and not enjoy these life luxuries
I drink occasionally, ill continue to drink occasionally.
But I like a drink. I have never missed work, hurt anyone, let anyone down, etc due to drink. Never spent money I couldn’t afford on alcohol. Never committed a crime or anything due to drink. Alcohol has not been a net negative in my life and I see no reason to cut it out. Longevity certainly isn’t a reason, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow however healthy my life is now and in any case I don’t particularly want to extend my life as long as possible, living into very old age isn’t what I want at all.
I’m not sure I’d want to live to 100 if I couldn’t go and chat shit and have a laugh with mates and strangers in the pub.
Good lord, imagine being Sober and thinking you’re a part of a movement. Fucking “Team Discovery Channel” vibes.
Police people’s fun and wreck one of Britain’s most iconic industries in the process…
..no I’ll pass.
/r/stopdrinking exists for those that would like to drink less.
If you keep it going all year, it wouldn’t be dry January, it would just be being teetotal.
Because ever so occasionally I would like to get off my tits.
then in 12 months.
Millions have lost jobs as the brewing industry has seen record losses this year
I don’t drink but I’m not going to try and ruin it for those that do.
Please could you fuck off with this stuff and let adult’s decide for themselves what they would like to do.
Christ almighty, first the stuff about smoking and now this. Here’s a radical idea, right, it’s called “let people drink if they want to, and let people not drink if they don’t.”
This country is on its knees atm and alcohol is the only thing getting me through it.
From the subtitle of the article:
> There is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol consumption, according to new guidelines from Canada.
So once again another poorly informed journalist. The UK guidelines haven’t described alcohol consumption as “safe” for very many years. The 14 unit threshold is “low risk” in the CMO guidelines, not “safe”.
The guidelines are wilfully misinterpreted as “<14 = safe” by the alcohol industry and those who fancy a drink.
If you study the literature at anything more than a superficial level, you’d be stupid to conclude that any alcohol consumption is safe. But booze is both big business and a deeply ingrained part of the UK social fabric.
We need to be a little more grown-up in our guidance. We need to explicitly state that booze is an inherently dangerous drug and that recommended consumption for a healthy lifestyle is no alcohol, but with the caveat that a pint or a glass of wine every couple of weeks is a fairly low risk activity.
The decision whether or not to use alcohol (or any other drug, for that matter) should be for the individual to decide, but with regulation and taxation being used to minimise or offset the costs to society.
I truly wish we’d legalise hallucinogens and offer people less harmful options for when they want to party.
I’m a 30-something, respectable professional. I’ve dabbled in plenty of drugs, and alcohol is IMHO the worst.
If you look at the risk of harm per use, the long term harm, the addiction risk, the wider harm to the community, [alcohol generally comes out worst.](https://www.economist.com/img/b/834/609/90/sites/default/files/images/2019/06/articles/main/20190629_woc294.png)
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Nothing has ever put me in danger the same way as alcohol has. From fights to falls to choking on your own vomit to liver cancer, it’s fucking dangerous.
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Now, I enjoy a good IPA or a whisky, but when it comes to partying, I’d much rather do shrooms, mdma or weed. Much more chill, much less anti social, much less risky.
Yet they’re class-A drugs.
It’s almost impossible to harm yourself on mushrooms, I don’t understand why they’re criminalised. Zero liver damage, zero adverse effects on the body, zero addiction, zero hangover.
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Dry Jan is great but we’re all just gonna start poisoning ourselves again in Feb. But it shouldn’t be a binary choice between alcohol or sobriety. Other options exist, they’re just not legal right now.