But they do make useful ammunition for the “muh car” brigade in the War in Motorists front of the much hyped Culture Wars
They do tend to push the local twats into groups huddled around barriers to complain with each other, though. That’s a negative for local businesses like Post Offices or bakeries, where they would otherwise be congregating to complain.
Because nobody will read beyond the headline:
>Of those monitored, 47% showed a fall in motor traffic and 53% showed an increase. When measured as a mean, the overall average for boundary roads rose by 2.1%, but fell by 1.6% when calculated as a median.
>When the totals were adjusted using Transport for London data for wider traffic changes, to account for factors like the Covid-19 pandemic and differing seasons, boundary roads had an overall mean increase of 0.7% in motor traffic, or 82 vehicles a day on average.
Did the report say anything about the change of attendance times the LTNs have caused for the emergency services
I have heard about these and am interested in how they work. Are they effectively just making streets dead ends (so you can still get deliveries etc. but you’re not directly connected to a main road)?
The anti-ltn reactionaries always say that all that traffic is now all on the boundary roads, where poorer people tend to live, so they pretend to give a shit about the poor and pollution so they can get their vroom vrooms back down residential rat runs.
But:
>The study also concluded LTNs did not lead to an increase or decrease in motor traffic on boundary roads.
So that’s good. This study obviously has limitations in what it looked it, mostly inner London, it’s not perfect, but from what it looked at, the results are good.
The people yelling about LTNs I think are a bit confused. They see the boundary roads getting busier, and they link it to the LTNs… But the LTNs went in during a time of uniquely low traffic. People didn’t notice how busy the roads were pre-pandemic, and traffic returning to pre-pandemic levels is more noticeable. It was easier to ignore the issue when it grew slowly over decades, but a two year swing from empty roads and quiet streets back to nonstop jams is much more noticeable.
Now we just need loads more of these schemes in cities and towns across the country, and a comprehensive public transport plan, and a revolution in planning that bans the construction of further car-dependent development and promotes mid-density development everywhere sensible.
Well I think it varies by the exact configuration of every LTN and it should be up to the local residents to decide.
Personally I live on a road which is used as a shortcut but I wouldn’t want it to be blocked off. They did convert one of the nearby roads to one-way only and that seems to have worked so it can stay.
My friend lives in an area which trialed an LTN and it just pissed off delivery drivers as after doing one road they were forced to go back to the main road, and they had to do that 6 times for that area, adding about 1 hour to the total time. The area used to have 4 exits but with the LTN it basically got split into 4 areas and if your destination was not in the direction of your exit, you would have to spend 15 minutes extra going in a big loop. So the council removed the LTNs and drivers are happy, and it didn’t really change much for non-drivers except they now get deliveries faster again.
I do have other friends who live in areas where LTNs have helped, which may be a minor inconvenience if visiting them by car but the benefits seem worth it.
Lmfao what a load of London centric greenwashing shite. Didn’t even know what an LTN was until I saw this headline.
Rachel Aldred is notorious for biased reports with cherry picked data. So much so she has lost all academic credibility.
In LTN 21 in Ealing scoot data showed a massive increase in traffic on the boundary roads.
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But they do make useful ammunition for the “muh car” brigade in the War in Motorists front of the much hyped Culture Wars
They do tend to push the local twats into groups huddled around barriers to complain with each other, though. That’s a negative for local businesses like Post Offices or bakeries, where they would otherwise be congregating to complain.
Because nobody will read beyond the headline:
>Of those monitored, 47% showed a fall in motor traffic and 53% showed an increase. When measured as a mean, the overall average for boundary roads rose by 2.1%, but fell by 1.6% when calculated as a median.
>When the totals were adjusted using Transport for London data for wider traffic changes, to account for factors like the Covid-19 pandemic and differing seasons, boundary roads had an overall mean increase of 0.7% in motor traffic, or 82 vehicles a day on average.
Did the report say anything about the change of attendance times the LTNs have caused for the emergency services
I have heard about these and am interested in how they work. Are they effectively just making streets dead ends (so you can still get deliveries etc. but you’re not directly connected to a main road)?
The anti-ltn reactionaries always say that all that traffic is now all on the boundary roads, where poorer people tend to live, so they pretend to give a shit about the poor and pollution so they can get their vroom vrooms back down residential rat runs.
But:
>The study also concluded LTNs did not lead to an increase or decrease in motor traffic on boundary roads.
So that’s good. This study obviously has limitations in what it looked it, mostly inner London, it’s not perfect, but from what it looked at, the results are good.
The people yelling about LTNs I think are a bit confused. They see the boundary roads getting busier, and they link it to the LTNs… But the LTNs went in during a time of uniquely low traffic. People didn’t notice how busy the roads were pre-pandemic, and traffic returning to pre-pandemic levels is more noticeable. It was easier to ignore the issue when it grew slowly over decades, but a two year swing from empty roads and quiet streets back to nonstop jams is much more noticeable.
Now we just need loads more of these schemes in cities and towns across the country, and a comprehensive public transport plan, and a revolution in planning that bans the construction of further car-dependent development and promotes mid-density development everywhere sensible.
Well I think it varies by the exact configuration of every LTN and it should be up to the local residents to decide.
Personally I live on a road which is used as a shortcut but I wouldn’t want it to be blocked off. They did convert one of the nearby roads to one-way only and that seems to have worked so it can stay.
My friend lives in an area which trialed an LTN and it just pissed off delivery drivers as after doing one road they were forced to go back to the main road, and they had to do that 6 times for that area, adding about 1 hour to the total time. The area used to have 4 exits but with the LTN it basically got split into 4 areas and if your destination was not in the direction of your exit, you would have to spend 15 minutes extra going in a big loop. So the council removed the LTNs and drivers are happy, and it didn’t really change much for non-drivers except they now get deliveries faster again.
I do have other friends who live in areas where LTNs have helped, which may be a minor inconvenience if visiting them by car but the benefits seem worth it.
Lmfao what a load of London centric greenwashing shite. Didn’t even know what an LTN was until I saw this headline.
Rachel Aldred is notorious for biased reports with cherry picked data. So much so she has lost all academic credibility.
In LTN 21 in Ealing scoot data showed a massive increase in traffic on the boundary roads.