Who would have thought that voluntarily ostracizing ourselves from one of the largest labour markets in the world, one that we heavily relied on would come back to bite us?
If the country can’t sustain itself without a huge immigration amount every single year then the country has to change itself.
Translation: We have less access to cheap labour and don’t want to pay fair wages to native citizens.
I’ll till a field all day, but not if you pay me poverty wages and pay some fat senile Lord £300 just to turn up and sleep at Westminster. Fuck that for a laugh.
This is when the Brexit myth of higher pay falls apart. There simple are not the people willing to do these jobs. It’s not just a pay issue. It’s raw numbers.
As much as retired Tories believe it should be the life ambition of the young to work poor jobs for little money, young people are always going to have more ambition.
If you raise wages so people can actually live on them I imagine those numbers would be quickly filled, basically it’s more of the people we paid shit wages to but they didn’t mind have all gone, there’s no one to pay shit wages to anymore.
Another Centre For European Reform think tank article?
They are really earning their funding this month
I mean, why the fuck is this a surprise?
Free movement suddenly being stopped and the people who were here feeling unwelcome. Coupled with a pitiful UK based specialist skill base from the years of shabby management of the country and, particularly, the education system.
There is no shortages of workers.
There is a shortage of adequate pay and working conditions in some roles that are now struggling to recruit. Cut profits or cut the industry, up to them!
So important question, are these employers offering more money for these jobs?
Or is this Pret, Starbucks, Amazon ect who can’t “afford” to pay a living wage?
Are these businesses that add to our economy?
I honestly wouldn’t care if every pret, Starbucks ect closed tomorrow… They might be replaced by companies that lay living wages and tax.
> The think tanks said businesses struggling with labour shortages could invest in greater automation. “But some combination of higher wages and prices, and less output is likely, especially in work that is hard to automate,” the report warned.
Well those places used cheap labour because automation was way to expensive. Now they don’t get cheap labour anymore, and automation ist still way to expensive.
Okay?
We did the bit with the no worker shortage? What happened was a stagnation of productivity, and growth being an artifact of more people, rather than more output per person.
Of course the solution is to automate the low skilled jobs, which makes more output per worker as there is one less job.
I do not think there is a shortage of workers although Brexit appears to be the catalyst. In my opinion the shortage of filled vacancies is partially caused be unsuitability of applicants, partly lack of applications due to unwillingness to work and (in the UK) the social system supports those not working.
Damn… I wonder what will happen to the wages of those jobs that can’t be filled now that slaves won’t take them.
I’m sure we’ve got more then 330,000 healthy unemployed people in the UK.
Well, yeah. So what do we do now? Not interested in treading old ground. It was a mistake, however blaming each other or shouting “we were right” solves precisely nothing.
So where do we go now? That’s the question we should be collectively asking.
So there’s a shortage of workers etc, but, where exactly are these jobs then? Surely there would be thousands of jobs being advertised?
…for shitty jobs….
I’m not breaking my back picking strawberries in a field for minimum wage (or less).
On top of that, the pandemic reduced the number of workers as well.
As someone with MS I was unable to gain employment due to the U.K. having surplus workers now we left the EU I was able to gain employment, so for me I had a little win. Yay
Man so what who cares this is how it used to be as well, before globalism decimated our manufacturing there would be vacancies everywhere all over town you could walk out of one job and go in to another on the same day and low and behold wages were actually fair.
Its so fucking weird that promoting access to practically unlimited foreign labour, stagnating wages for our own people, is somehow the left wing position. Seriously no wonder “Labour” are unelectable they were once opposed to the EU project for a reason.
There’s probably 330,000+ useless workers in the city pushing made up “nothing” around a screen that helps no one except to make rich people richer
How does this happen with record annual net migration ? Genuinely interested.
Nothing to do with a lot of them leaving during the pandemic
Pull the other fucking one. Does anyone really think that with our current levels of infrastructure and public services we can sustain an influx of another 1/3million people.
Our population is growing, if we not training people to do the jobs of tomorrow then that is problem.
Brilliant, maybe they’ll consider finally increasing wages for the most soul crushing jobs!
Arguing about immigration v’s no immigration is missing the point.
The fact is that the UK made a decision to prioritize assets over work, increased the cost of housing as a result and now is paying the price. Working for a living does not pay enough to generate a secure future in the UK unless you’re a professional at the top of your career. In the 70’s when this economic theory about creating a population of asset owning in shares and their own homes was becoming popular with politicians the ratio between average wages and average housing costs was about 3 to 1, interest rates were higher, but people also generally had a job for life unless they screwed up badly.
Now the ratio is about 8 to 1 very few have a job for life and work no longer pays. If companies or the government want people to work they need to pay more it’s that simple. If rent is £800 a month in a town with access to jobs, then the minimum salary required to mean that becomes viable is going to be £2,000 a month before deductions. Anything less than that is a non starter.
Minimum wage jobs in most of the country are just not going to attract people because they do not pay enough to live because even rooms in house shares charge £600 a month.
Now this may be more viable in other parts of the country but then there are less jobs as well.
Ah yes. People voted Brexit because foreigners are stealing our jobs. When in reality they did jobs no one wants as the wage is terrible
Or, forgive me if I’m wrong, but can’t you just hire people here already? They don’t want to do the job? Then I guess they have to raise the wages!
Net migration of 504,000 people last year, and it’s still not enough?!
The right for European to come here to work ,came in around 2003 if I remember right.(not that long ago)
There was never a shortage of workers, before then .
It was all about making the rich elite more money,by undercutting other workers.
The black death enabled social mobility in this country by reducing the number of workers, so it gave people an opportunity to go elsewhere for more money,
Of course the nobility where opposed to that , just like the rich elite want a surplus of workers ,to keep ordinary people in their place.
Don’t worry- the NHS will be getting 350M extra per week.
That should help with those 40 new soon to be built hospitals
Any day now…
The new anti-strike laws will surely attract workers in their droves!!
So we have a shortage of 330,000 workers, but don’t worry we have had and influx 400,000 ‘asylum seekers’ arriving illegally…
Is having a surplus of jobs such a bad thing? Surely this gives employees greater negotiation power?
Well I have been looking for a better job for about 2 months now. Every time I get asked my expectations and I give them a range let’s say 30-32k which is average for the job duties I ain’t get a call back. They want cheap labour
Oh would you look at that. It appears the free market has provided a ball on the workers side if the court.
Could pay more instead of using an inflated labour pool to depress wages
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Who would have thought that voluntarily ostracizing ourselves from one of the largest labour markets in the world, one that we heavily relied on would come back to bite us?
If the country can’t sustain itself without a huge immigration amount every single year then the country has to change itself.
Translation: We have less access to cheap labour and don’t want to pay fair wages to native citizens.
I’ll till a field all day, but not if you pay me poverty wages and pay some fat senile Lord £300 just to turn up and sleep at Westminster. Fuck that for a laugh.
This is when the Brexit myth of higher pay falls apart. There simple are not the people willing to do these jobs. It’s not just a pay issue. It’s raw numbers.
As much as retired Tories believe it should be the life ambition of the young to work poor jobs for little money, young people are always going to have more ambition.
If you raise wages so people can actually live on them I imagine those numbers would be quickly filled, basically it’s more of the people we paid shit wages to but they didn’t mind have all gone, there’s no one to pay shit wages to anymore.
Another Centre For European Reform think tank article?
They are really earning their funding this month
I mean, why the fuck is this a surprise?
Free movement suddenly being stopped and the people who were here feeling unwelcome. Coupled with a pitiful UK based specialist skill base from the years of shabby management of the country and, particularly, the education system.
There is no shortages of workers.
There is a shortage of adequate pay and working conditions in some roles that are now struggling to recruit. Cut profits or cut the industry, up to them!
So important question, are these employers offering more money for these jobs?
Or is this Pret, Starbucks, Amazon ect who can’t “afford” to pay a living wage?
Are these businesses that add to our economy?
I honestly wouldn’t care if every pret, Starbucks ect closed tomorrow… They might be replaced by companies that lay living wages and tax.
> The think tanks said businesses struggling with labour shortages could invest in greater automation. “But some combination of higher wages and prices, and less output is likely, especially in work that is hard to automate,” the report warned.
Well those places used cheap labour because automation was way to expensive. Now they don’t get cheap labour anymore, and automation ist still way to expensive.
Okay?
We did the bit with the no worker shortage? What happened was a stagnation of productivity, and growth being an artifact of more people, rather than more output per person.
Of course the solution is to automate the low skilled jobs, which makes more output per worker as there is one less job.
I do not think there is a shortage of workers although Brexit appears to be the catalyst. In my opinion the shortage of filled vacancies is partially caused be unsuitability of applicants, partly lack of applications due to unwillingness to work and (in the UK) the social system supports those not working.
Damn… I wonder what will happen to the wages of those jobs that can’t be filled now that slaves won’t take them.
I’m sure we’ve got more then 330,000 healthy unemployed people in the UK.
Well, yeah. So what do we do now? Not interested in treading old ground. It was a mistake, however blaming each other or shouting “we were right” solves precisely nothing.
So where do we go now? That’s the question we should be collectively asking.
So there’s a shortage of workers etc, but, where exactly are these jobs then? Surely there would be thousands of jobs being advertised?
…for shitty jobs….
I’m not breaking my back picking strawberries in a field for minimum wage (or less).
On top of that, the pandemic reduced the number of workers as well.
As someone with MS I was unable to gain employment due to the U.K. having surplus workers now we left the EU I was able to gain employment, so for me I had a little win. Yay
Man so what who cares this is how it used to be as well, before globalism decimated our manufacturing there would be vacancies everywhere all over town you could walk out of one job and go in to another on the same day and low and behold wages were actually fair.
Its so fucking weird that promoting access to practically unlimited foreign labour, stagnating wages for our own people, is somehow the left wing position. Seriously no wonder “Labour” are unelectable they were once opposed to the EU project for a reason.
There’s probably 330,000+ useless workers in the city pushing made up “nothing” around a screen that helps no one except to make rich people richer
How does this happen with record annual net migration ? Genuinely interested.
Nothing to do with a lot of them leaving during the pandemic
Pull the other fucking one. Does anyone really think that with our current levels of infrastructure and public services we can sustain an influx of another 1/3million people.
Our population is growing, if we not training people to do the jobs of tomorrow then that is problem.
Brilliant, maybe they’ll consider finally increasing wages for the most soul crushing jobs!
Arguing about immigration v’s no immigration is missing the point.
The fact is that the UK made a decision to prioritize assets over work, increased the cost of housing as a result and now is paying the price. Working for a living does not pay enough to generate a secure future in the UK unless you’re a professional at the top of your career. In the 70’s when this economic theory about creating a population of asset owning in shares and their own homes was becoming popular with politicians the ratio between average wages and average housing costs was about 3 to 1, interest rates were higher, but people also generally had a job for life unless they screwed up badly.
Now the ratio is about 8 to 1 very few have a job for life and work no longer pays. If companies or the government want people to work they need to pay more it’s that simple. If rent is £800 a month in a town with access to jobs, then the minimum salary required to mean that becomes viable is going to be £2,000 a month before deductions. Anything less than that is a non starter.
Minimum wage jobs in most of the country are just not going to attract people because they do not pay enough to live because even rooms in house shares charge £600 a month.
Now this may be more viable in other parts of the country but then there are less jobs as well.
Ah yes. People voted Brexit because foreigners are stealing our jobs. When in reality they did jobs no one wants as the wage is terrible
Or, forgive me if I’m wrong, but can’t you just hire people here already? They don’t want to do the job? Then I guess they have to raise the wages!
Net migration of 504,000 people last year, and it’s still not enough?!
The right for European to come here to work ,came in around 2003 if I remember right.(not that long ago)
There was never a shortage of workers, before then .
It was all about making the rich elite more money,by undercutting other workers.
The black death enabled social mobility in this country by reducing the number of workers, so it gave people an opportunity to go elsewhere for more money,
Of course the nobility where opposed to that , just like the rich elite want a surplus of workers ,to keep ordinary people in their place.
Don’t worry- the NHS will be getting 350M extra per week.
That should help with those 40 new soon to be built hospitals
Any day now…
The new anti-strike laws will surely attract workers in their droves!!
So we have a shortage of 330,000 workers, but don’t worry we have had and influx 400,000 ‘asylum seekers’ arriving illegally…
Is having a surplus of jobs such a bad thing? Surely this gives employees greater negotiation power?
Well I have been looking for a better job for about 2 months now. Every time I get asked my expectations and I give them a range let’s say 30-32k which is average for the job duties I ain’t get a call back. They want cheap labour
Oh would you look at that. It appears the free market has provided a ball on the workers side if the court.
Could pay more instead of using an inflated labour pool to depress wages