if a person uses air-travel and thinks they are poor, then they probably aren’t poor and could also pay.
Congratulations, you have invented First / Business Class
Ok, going by the comment can we not try to increase the cost of flights? It’s one of the most dumbest things to demand more taxes on yourself then cry about poverty soon after.
Put taxes up on first class seats, don’t put them up on economy seats.
Tax should continually go up the more you fly
Why don’t the airlines lower the amount of dividend they pay to shareholders and use that money instead?
Everyone should just fly a lot less generally. Like factory farming, fast fashion and smart devices, we have to accept that a lot of the modern luxuries we enjoy are not sustainable and we have to either massively cut down on them, or stop cut them out altogether. They literally cost us the Earth and climate change is impossible to stop now, we are only able to prevent complete catastrophe at this point. People might enjoy those holidays now but not as much as they will enjoy having regular harvests in 30 years time.
Don’t the rich have private jets anyway? They won’t care.
Interestingly flights that cost us £450 in 2019 now cost us £700. I would argue that fares have gone up already. FWIW they should reflect the full ecological cost but you get people complaining about pricing out people from foreign holidays. Maybe the answer is the increasing cost based upon your annual air miles, almost like a reverse frequent flyer programme.
He’s talking about asking companies nicely to use sustainable aviation fuel, instead of fossil fuel, as an act of corporate social responsibility; and about how this is slow because sustainable fuel is at least double the price. If only there were some magical mechanism that could raise the price of fossil aviation fuel to be equal to or higher than the cost of sustainable fuel! Wait, what’s that Orville? TAX! Yes – that’s right, why not tax fossil aviation fuel more heavily so that there is a price incentive to use sustainable fuel. Thanks Orville, we could never have solved this without you!
Seriously it is embarrasing and awkward that he does not mention tax in this panel discussion. Taxing fossil aviation fuel is the massively obvious way to get everyone’s incentives aligned with doing the right thing. Even breaking the ICAO treaty prohibition on taxing avgas would help – it would allow countries or regions to set the right prices for fuel within their regions. But somehow asking for more tax is such a taboo for corporate culture, that he just wants fairies and rainbows to inspire corporations to build internal markets. Sheesh
Maybe people should pay a certain percentage of their wealth for everything they buy.
A tin of beans costs a poor person 1p but a millionaire has to pay £10.
A 2-bed house costs a billionaire £500m, but a homeless person only has to pay 50p.
But they won’t. There will be a tax dodge or a way around it to absolve them. God forbid they waste their hoarded millions on making the public domain a better place, they’ll simply just keep bankrupting the working class instead by NOT paying their way, resulting in higher taxes for us to pay 🙃
The rich will do everything they can to avoid paying or giving something from themselves because. They just cover their own a$s and that’s it.
Every time you take a flight the price of the next ticket should double.
Cant wait for Carbon passports to come online which the Degrowth morons are clamoring for – stop ordering shit from Amazon if you want less carbon foot print, you single digit IQ ferrets.
And if you’re even more carbon conscious why don’t you lead the way by making your own cloth, growing your own food on a free range farm and stop using digital devices which are manufactured and shipped using pollutant emitting transports ?
Long haul flights to expensive destinations yeah, there’s an environmentalist at work with a rich husband flying to Hawai every other week and neither of them are Hawaian , and there’s me getting the flexi bus to krakow
One of the greatest failings of 21st century Britain is flying can be cheaper than catching a train. Madness.
Everyone should pay higher fares for aviation, there’s no way it should cost £50 to fly to Europe.
They,er, do pay higher fares. It’s called First Class. The airlines just keep the money.
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if a person uses air-travel and thinks they are poor, then they probably aren’t poor and could also pay.
Congratulations, you have invented First / Business Class
Ok, going by the comment can we not try to increase the cost of flights? It’s one of the most dumbest things to demand more taxes on yourself then cry about poverty soon after.
Put taxes up on first class seats, don’t put them up on economy seats.
Tax should continually go up the more you fly
Why don’t the airlines lower the amount of dividend they pay to shareholders and use that money instead?
Everyone should just fly a lot less generally. Like factory farming, fast fashion and smart devices, we have to accept that a lot of the modern luxuries we enjoy are not sustainable and we have to either massively cut down on them, or stop cut them out altogether. They literally cost us the Earth and climate change is impossible to stop now, we are only able to prevent complete catastrophe at this point. People might enjoy those holidays now but not as much as they will enjoy having regular harvests in 30 years time.
Don’t the rich have private jets anyway? They won’t care.
Interestingly flights that cost us £450 in 2019 now cost us £700. I would argue that fares have gone up already. FWIW they should reflect the full ecological cost but you get people complaining about pricing out people from foreign holidays. Maybe the answer is the increasing cost based upon your annual air miles, almost like a reverse frequent flyer programme.
He’s talking about asking companies nicely to use sustainable aviation fuel, instead of fossil fuel, as an act of corporate social responsibility; and about how this is slow because sustainable fuel is at least double the price. If only there were some magical mechanism that could raise the price of fossil aviation fuel to be equal to or higher than the cost of sustainable fuel! Wait, what’s that Orville? TAX! Yes – that’s right, why not tax fossil aviation fuel more heavily so that there is a price incentive to use sustainable fuel. Thanks Orville, we could never have solved this without you!
Seriously it is embarrasing and awkward that he does not mention tax in this panel discussion. Taxing fossil aviation fuel is the massively obvious way to get everyone’s incentives aligned with doing the right thing. Even breaking the ICAO treaty prohibition on taxing avgas would help – it would allow countries or regions to set the right prices for fuel within their regions. But somehow asking for more tax is such a taboo for corporate culture, that he just wants fairies and rainbows to inspire corporations to build internal markets. Sheesh
Maybe people should pay a certain percentage of their wealth for everything they buy.
A tin of beans costs a poor person 1p but a millionaire has to pay £10.
A 2-bed house costs a billionaire £500m, but a homeless person only has to pay 50p.
But they won’t. There will be a tax dodge or a way around it to absolve them. God forbid they waste their hoarded millions on making the public domain a better place, they’ll simply just keep bankrupting the working class instead by NOT paying their way, resulting in higher taxes for us to pay 🙃
The rich will do everything they can to avoid paying or giving something from themselves because. They just cover their own a$s and that’s it.
Every time you take a flight the price of the next ticket should double.
Cant wait for Carbon passports to come online which the Degrowth morons are clamoring for – stop ordering shit from Amazon if you want less carbon foot print, you single digit IQ ferrets.
And if you’re even more carbon conscious why don’t you lead the way by making your own cloth, growing your own food on a free range farm and stop using digital devices which are manufactured and shipped using pollutant emitting transports ?
Long haul flights to expensive destinations yeah, there’s an environmentalist at work with a rich husband flying to Hawai every other week and neither of them are Hawaian , and there’s me getting the flexi bus to krakow
One of the greatest failings of 21st century Britain is flying can be cheaper than catching a train. Madness.
Everyone should pay higher fares for aviation, there’s no way it should cost £50 to fly to Europe.
They,er, do pay higher fares. It’s called First Class. The airlines just keep the money.