Well huh. That’s a real surprise. I thought that was just Project Fear…
No shit, Sherlock!
Any chance of a Brexit and its consequences thread where every no doubt terrible news about it can be posted? That way it’ll be easy for me to avoid it all. I know I’m stuck on a ship with many holes in its hull, but I’d at least like to pretend it might make it to the other side of the ocean rather than be constantly told we’re sinking and are going to die a cold, lonely death. Please let me live in blissful ignorance.
businesses from country that no longer has access to unlimited immigration from eu are really sad from the lost exploitation of low paid workers 😔
Leopard, meet face.
In a survey conducted by the byline supplement, aka byline times which has as much credibility as Russia today. Debating the effects of Brexit is great, but posting links to nutty cranks like byline doesn’t help anyone.
Hi everyone and welcome to Saturday’s Brexit circlejerk. Please feel free to post the same comments you’ve been doing for the last six years – after all, it never gets boring!
Can we have a Brexit Megathread pinned on top of r/europe like the Ukraine war thread, where people still interested in the topic can keep posting and discussing it rather than these daily singular threads?
At least they can have more powerful vacuum cleaners now. More suck!!
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This is a 6-year old news just repeated in a past tense, 6 years ago it was Brexit will, now it’s Brexit has
leaving a trade block with an estimated value of 20 trillion dollars might cause some problems to your countries economy, who knew
The national pride of the boomer generation fucked up an entire country. UK had the best deal among all EU member States (discount on contribution payments, and so on), but it wasn’t enough. The overaged political elite is maybe to scared, but only a question of time until a rejoin debate will become very serious.
But probably also this debate will only advance one funeral at a time (borrowed from Max Planck).
Brexit may factor in, but that’s hardly the sole cause. From what I’ve seen, UK has basically self-destructed under the Tories’ governance.
It may have been possible to salvage the situation otherwise, being in full control of their economy and policies. That was kinda the point.
“It wasnt about money, but about taking back control”.
Here in Finland, our biggest morons The “Pers-suomalaiset” for example have confessed to have brexit aspirations of their own. Fixit, as they call it.
It is not happening, i can personally guarantee that but signalboosting the woes of brexit and the suffering you will continue to face has made it a lot easier to make a case for abandoning that train of thought.
so yeh, keep it coming.
I live in the UK. My experience is, the place got significantly more expensive. Whether this is global or as a result of BREXIT, I do not know.
I have been renovating my house and as skilled Eastern European left, now it us hard to find a right man to do a simple job and I paid fortune to correct the errors of currently available work force here.
As I am written, to finish installing a door frame and architrave, I have been waiting since September for somebody to come and do it. He is a white British guy and he does a very professional job.
The situation now is, for a good professional person, I have to pay double of what I used to pay and wait for a few months.
Or pat triple to do it in short time
Or bring 2-3 people to correct mistakes of each other.
Although I agree, I think that most European countries, if not the whole world, could say the same thing about their own country
And they keep voting for people who did it, so all in all, you get what you asked for, LAMF etc etc etc
That what boris always dreamed of. I remember an interview, where a guy, who went to college with him, said that boris want to remove worker rights to make britain more appealing for companies and lower regulations on food and stuff.
So they can’t blame it on Covid anymore and here we are.
What is deeply ironic, is the idea Britain as some kind of independent constituent nation before Brexit, never existed. It was an Empire.
A huge empire with hundreds of millions of subjects, largely tariff free and with free movement (in theory). Obviously before the advent of mass transport.
The citizens were subjects of the Crown. It was never in its current configuration which is something like Japan or Korea.
These changes will continue to impact them. The full impact of Brexit has not yet materialized since the full tranche of food / goods checks have been delayed to the end of 2023.
Financial services has not been hashed out. Most likely it will be dealt with since Switzerland and New York perform many financial services for European countries / financial institutions.
Overall the unceasingly stringent checks and red tape will likely spur British entry to the Customs Union at the very least. It’s an absolute disgrace how the Tory party have been allowed to get away by decades of utter mismanagement.
They implemented austerity and they well full gung ho into unrestricted immigration after Labour. Coupled with this was allowing attacks on the EU to go unchallenged since it deflected from the fact they were fully complicit starving funds to certain regions for the UK.
Liverpool was intentionally starved of funds under Thatcher and London has received the lion share of all investment. The Tories as a deliberate policy cut these region’s primarily in north, to the bone. And they later voted for Brexit after seeing anemic growth and poor social services.
They also totally industrialized, where France and Germany successfully pivoted their manufacturing industries. These being countries with famously low taxes and negligible labour rights…
Also we can endlessly ruminate on it but Cameron’s exit from the EPP was a mistake. He played a blinder negotiating the further exemption on social security and some stops on freedom of movement on the run up to the Brexit vote but was never able to sell it effectively to the British people.
They were somehow under the illusion they would get a better deal.
British politicians have cut any type of social security to the bone. They pontificate about these dole scroungers who are simultaneously too lazy to work yet if you get fired from your job you are entitled to measly 80 euros a month.
At the same time famously industrious pensioners get inflation adjusted pension top up’s and the price of education tripled in price. The entire direction of the UK is a neoliberal fever dream. They reduced every tenet of a social state.
– Strong social safety net
– collective bargaining via unions
– big funding for university and healthcare
It’s a sad course they are following. And the Economist and the Financial Times seem to think it’s a rip roaring success that should be exported everywhere
It is what is.
I think the whole thing was inevitable. If the brexit crowd had lost the referendum they would just keep blaming everything and anything on the EU. It was always going to end with them leaving, even if it was a stupid choice.
Tbh, i think the whole Brexit regret seems poorly explained.
With my point being, that post brexit fell into a series of crises, namely Covid and Russias warmongering. So you should expect, that the society will get into problems.
But the question has to be: Why a now unleashed UK, which doesnt have to comply to rules and regulations anymore, could not have mastered this crisis better than the rest of the EU?
If the Brexit lies were truth, navigation this situation should have been easy and beneficial to the UK.
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Well huh. That’s a real surprise. I thought that was just Project Fear…
No shit, Sherlock!
Any chance of a Brexit and its consequences thread where every no doubt terrible news about it can be posted? That way it’ll be easy for me to avoid it all. I know I’m stuck on a ship with many holes in its hull, but I’d at least like to pretend it might make it to the other side of the ocean rather than be constantly told we’re sinking and are going to die a cold, lonely death. Please let me live in blissful ignorance.
businesses from country that no longer has access to unlimited immigration from eu are really sad from the lost exploitation of low paid workers 😔
Leopard, meet face.
In a survey conducted by the byline supplement, aka byline times which has as much credibility as Russia today. Debating the effects of Brexit is great, but posting links to nutty cranks like byline doesn’t help anyone.
Hi everyone and welcome to Saturday’s Brexit circlejerk. Please feel free to post the same comments you’ve been doing for the last six years – after all, it never gets boring!
Can we have a Brexit Megathread pinned on top of r/europe like the Ukraine war thread, where people still interested in the topic can keep posting and discussing it rather than these daily singular threads?
At least they can have more powerful vacuum cleaners now. More suck!!
[deleted]
This is a 6-year old news just repeated in a past tense, 6 years ago it was Brexit will, now it’s Brexit has
leaving a trade block with an estimated value of 20 trillion dollars might cause some problems to your countries economy, who knew
The national pride of the boomer generation fucked up an entire country. UK had the best deal among all EU member States (discount on contribution payments, and so on), but it wasn’t enough. The overaged political elite is maybe to scared, but only a question of time until a rejoin debate will become very serious.
But probably also this debate will only advance one funeral at a time (borrowed from Max Planck).
Brexit may factor in, but that’s hardly the sole cause. From what I’ve seen, UK has basically self-destructed under the Tories’ governance.
It may have been possible to salvage the situation otherwise, being in full control of their economy and policies. That was kinda the point.
“It wasnt about money, but about taking back control”.
Here in Finland, our biggest morons The “Pers-suomalaiset” for example have confessed to have brexit aspirations of their own. Fixit, as they call it.
It is not happening, i can personally guarantee that but signalboosting the woes of brexit and the suffering you will continue to face has made it a lot easier to make a case for abandoning that train of thought.
so yeh, keep it coming.
I live in the UK. My experience is, the place got significantly more expensive. Whether this is global or as a result of BREXIT, I do not know.
I have been renovating my house and as skilled Eastern European left, now it us hard to find a right man to do a simple job and I paid fortune to correct the errors of currently available work force here.
As I am written, to finish installing a door frame and architrave, I have been waiting since September for somebody to come and do it. He is a white British guy and he does a very professional job.
The situation now is, for a good professional person, I have to pay double of what I used to pay and wait for a few months.
Or pat triple to do it in short time
Or bring 2-3 people to correct mistakes of each other.
Although I agree, I think that most European countries, if not the whole world, could say the same thing about their own country
And they keep voting for people who did it, so all in all, you get what you asked for, LAMF etc etc etc
That what boris always dreamed of. I remember an interview, where a guy, who went to college with him, said that boris want to remove worker rights to make britain more appealing for companies and lower regulations on food and stuff.
So they can’t blame it on Covid anymore and here we are.
What is deeply ironic, is the idea Britain as some kind of independent constituent nation before Brexit, never existed. It was an Empire.
A huge empire with hundreds of millions of subjects, largely tariff free and with free movement (in theory). Obviously before the advent of mass transport.
The citizens were subjects of the Crown. It was never in its current configuration which is something like Japan or Korea.
These changes will continue to impact them. The full impact of Brexit has not yet materialized since the full tranche of food / goods checks have been delayed to the end of 2023.
Financial services has not been hashed out. Most likely it will be dealt with since Switzerland and New York perform many financial services for European countries / financial institutions.
Overall the unceasingly stringent checks and red tape will likely spur British entry to the Customs Union at the very least. It’s an absolute disgrace how the Tory party have been allowed to get away by decades of utter mismanagement.
They implemented austerity and they well full gung ho into unrestricted immigration after Labour. Coupled with this was allowing attacks on the EU to go unchallenged since it deflected from the fact they were fully complicit starving funds to certain regions for the UK.
Liverpool was intentionally starved of funds under Thatcher and London has received the lion share of all investment. The Tories as a deliberate policy cut these region’s primarily in north, to the bone. And they later voted for Brexit after seeing anemic growth and poor social services.
They also totally industrialized, where France and Germany successfully pivoted their manufacturing industries. These being countries with famously low taxes and negligible labour rights…
Also we can endlessly ruminate on it but Cameron’s exit from the EPP was a mistake. He played a blinder negotiating the further exemption on social security and some stops on freedom of movement on the run up to the Brexit vote but was never able to sell it effectively to the British people.
They were somehow under the illusion they would get a better deal.
British politicians have cut any type of social security to the bone. They pontificate about these dole scroungers who are simultaneously too lazy to work yet if you get fired from your job you are entitled to measly 80 euros a month.
At the same time famously industrious pensioners get inflation adjusted pension top up’s and the price of education tripled in price. The entire direction of the UK is a neoliberal fever dream. They reduced every tenet of a social state.
– Strong social safety net
– collective bargaining via unions
– big funding for university and healthcare
It’s a sad course they are following. And the Economist and the Financial Times seem to think it’s a rip roaring success that should be exported everywhere
It is what is.
I think the whole thing was inevitable. If the brexit crowd had lost the referendum they would just keep blaming everything and anything on the EU. It was always going to end with them leaving, even if it was a stupid choice.
Tbh, i think the whole Brexit regret seems poorly explained.
With my point being, that post brexit fell into a series of crises, namely Covid and Russias warmongering. So you should expect, that the society will get into problems.
But the question has to be: Why a now unleashed UK, which doesnt have to comply to rules and regulations anymore, could not have mastered this crisis better than the rest of the EU?
If the Brexit lies were truth, navigation this situation should have been easy and beneficial to the UK.