In a letter to the federal government, grid operator Elia says that more sparing use of our remaining nuclear fuel is necessary to meet our domestic electricity needs for the next three to four winters. Without additional measures, the domestic power shortage threatens to increase to almost 2 gigawatts by the winter of 2025 – the equivalent of 15% of total Belgian power consumption.
Lorenzo Terriere 03-02-23, 06:00
Last update: 06:33
On Friday, the federal core cabinet will consider the new risk analysis of the power grid operator. In that letter, Elia argues for a ‘nuclear modulation’. That is a difficult term to say that the remaining nuclear fuel must be used more sparingly to bridge the next three or four winters. This can be done, for example, by having the five remaining nuclear reactors run less during the summers and more during the winters. The existing power plants are currently scheduled to close in 2025. But energy minister Tinne Van der Straeten (Groen) had also previously proposed investigating such a route for a ‘fuel extension’.
Power shortage
After Prime Minister Alexander De Croo (Open VLD) and Minister Van Der Straeten (Green) reached an interim agreement with Engie at the beginning of January, the federal government asked the grid operator Elia for a new risk assessment. After all, the war in Ukraine and the failure of nuclear power plants in France will continue to complicate the power supply in the coming years.
It is striking that Elia speaks of a growing power shortage that will already rise to almost two gigawatts by the winter of 2025: at the end of 2025, which is also the time when the three other functioning nuclear power plants Doel 1, Doel 2 and Tihange 1 will close. The letter may therefore be a reason to revive the debate within the government about the extension of those three existing nuclear power plants.
Core extension
Sources within nuclear producer Engie do not necessarily rule out such a core extension, provided that an agreement is first reached on the two newest power stations, Doel 4 and Tihange 3. And the clock is ticking mercilessly for this: Elia warns that the federal government will therefore to reach a final agreement with Engie in March. Otherwise, it will be practically impossible to actually complete the planned restart of Doel 4 and Tihange 3 by the end of 2026. From then on, they would produce extra electricity for ten years and thus help to ensure our energy supply.
Get our existing plants in top notch shape asap – start building new ones asap.
Wipe all the money for renewables from the table and use it for nuclear.
Enough with these green braindead dogmas that are threatening our very existence as a 1st world country.
Their plan of action will be:
Do nothing until it is too late and invent a new tax to apply on the poorer people because “they use too much energy”.
Weren’t we supposed to have no problems without nuclear? And now we face a 10% shortage in two years, with nuclear?
Color me surprised /s
So you shut down 2 GW of nuclear generation and suddenly you’re 2 GW short, who would have guessed…
While I’ve always been a fervent supporter of nuclear energy, I recently watched [this](https://youtu.be/0kahih8RT1k) rather objective take on nuclear power. While it helps us out in the short run, it doesn’t really seem to make a lot of sense to build new plants following the current design. Personally, I’m hoping fusion and thorium plants will become viable solutions in the short term. Existing nuclear plants can help us out in the mean time, because God knows windmills and solar panels aren’t contributing anything substantial.
Dr Emmet Brown: 2 Gigawatts! 2 Gigawatts, Great Scott!
Marty McFly: What-what the hell is a gigawatt?
​
^((I know its 1.21 gigawatts in the movie))
Shocked.gif
Cool, this means literally that the law on nuclear exit is up for cancellation. It is literally specified in that law that it becomes void if capacity is not guaranteed.
Naturally Tinne will not do that sadly
What if it is necessary to reduce our energy consumption to save the planet instead of save the unsustainable actual rate? (call me a fool, but global warming and pollution seem to be quite scientifically proved.)
**Again** is missing from this headline as this news dates back to early December.
And how will we solve this? [“…a “fuel extension” for the three oldest reactors Doel 1 and 2 and Tihange 1. Those plants could save fuel by reducing their output in coming summers, in months when demand is low. It would allow them to continue operating into the winter of 2025-2026, the year after their scheduled shutdown date under the current nuclear shutdown law.”](https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/milieu-energie/regering-wil-drie-oudste-kerncentrales-jaar-langer-open/10432580.html)
Calls on NATGAS
Dumb and dumber in that picture
Remember, everyone!
>Having access to additional capacity of both offshore wind and Small Modular Reactors (SMRSs) reduces the *annual costs* of achieving net-zero to 11,7 billion euro by 2050, which is 9,6 billion euro less than under the Central Scenario.
This saving of 46 % compared to the annual costs under the Central Scenario is realized thanks to lower costs of energy import of electricity and clean molecules, a lower need for flexibility options such as smart charging and batteries, and a faster electrification of freight road transport.
This is guaranteed to be the end of the forced transition to EVs in cities.
Hope ELIA will put pressure on government to bring again subventions for installing solar panels and eliminate taxation on the house energy produced. Because this is outrageous, is like taxing the sun…
Again, the price doubled but they are paying peanuts to the private consumers.
Luckily there’s no shortage on onderzoekscommissies that will handle this issue. /s
Yes but the capaciteitstarief will fix it!
The face if TVS is one of pure evil
Vooral Groen de bevoegdheden over energie geven in de federale regering. We kunnen in 2024 justitie en migratie aan het Vlaams Belang geven en Pensioenen aan iemand van de PVDA? /s
Godzijdank hebben wij capabele regeringen, vol competente intellectuele hoogvliegers (zeker geen fils à papa’s), die dankzij hun heldere langetermijnvisie alle problemen voorzien en er een tijdige, nuttige, correcte oplossing voor hebben.
Ook fijn dat ze zich niet bezighouden met triviale randfenomenen die de aandacht zouden afleiden van de thema’s die er toe doen, zoals het energiebeleid, de begroting, justitie, de arbeidsmarkt, gezondheidszorg en onderwijs…
En wat nog fijner is, is dat ze de democratische visie van het volk vertegenwoordigen (want de partijen aan de macht, daar heeft het volk voor gekozen), en niet zomaar de eigen partijpolitiek door onze strot rammen.
Nog fijner is dat als er nieuwe wetteksten geschreven worden, dat deze helder en ondubbelzinnig zijn, zodat er rechtszekerheid is voor alle lagen van het land, en er geen nodeloze discussies met de administratie moeten gebeuren, en dat de Belgische staat niet gedagvaard moet worden omdat zij basisideeën zoals het gelijkheidsbeginsel schenden.
Fijn ook dat zij de bestaande wetgeving afdwingen in plaats van uitzonderingen en speciale gevallekes te in de wetgeving te voorzien, om de eigen inefficiëntie in te dekken en te voorkomen dat problemen structureel aangepakt worden.
Zo fier op onze regeringen. Ik kan al niet wachten tot de volgende verkiezingen om te zien welke topcombinatie er gevonden gaat worden om het land te regeren. Het zal vast en zeker op een paar uur geklonken zijn en zeker niet meer dan een jaar aanslepen.
/S
What a bunch of fucking amateurs and hypocrites. I am really tempted to launch my own party. Just to fuck them all deeply. There is no alternative. They all are incompetent.
I advocate compressing Tinne and her cabinet into pellets and burning them.
Sure the fumes will be toxic, but less toxic than what they have done until now.
/s
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In a letter to the federal government, grid operator Elia says that more sparing use of our remaining nuclear fuel is necessary to meet our domestic electricity needs for the next three to four winters. Without additional measures, the domestic power shortage threatens to increase to almost 2 gigawatts by the winter of 2025 – the equivalent of 15% of total Belgian power consumption.
Lorenzo Terriere 03-02-23, 06:00
Last update: 06:33
On Friday, the federal core cabinet will consider the new risk analysis of the power grid operator. In that letter, Elia argues for a ‘nuclear modulation’. That is a difficult term to say that the remaining nuclear fuel must be used more sparingly to bridge the next three or four winters. This can be done, for example, by having the five remaining nuclear reactors run less during the summers and more during the winters. The existing power plants are currently scheduled to close in 2025. But energy minister Tinne Van der Straeten (Groen) had also previously proposed investigating such a route for a ‘fuel extension’.
Power shortage
After Prime Minister Alexander De Croo (Open VLD) and Minister Van Der Straeten (Green) reached an interim agreement with Engie at the beginning of January, the federal government asked the grid operator Elia for a new risk assessment. After all, the war in Ukraine and the failure of nuclear power plants in France will continue to complicate the power supply in the coming years.
It is striking that Elia speaks of a growing power shortage that will already rise to almost two gigawatts by the winter of 2025: at the end of 2025, which is also the time when the three other functioning nuclear power plants Doel 1, Doel 2 and Tihange 1 will close. The letter may therefore be a reason to revive the debate within the government about the extension of those three existing nuclear power plants.
Core extension
Sources within nuclear producer Engie do not necessarily rule out such a core extension, provided that an agreement is first reached on the two newest power stations, Doel 4 and Tihange 3. And the clock is ticking mercilessly for this: Elia warns that the federal government will therefore to reach a final agreement with Engie in March. Otherwise, it will be practically impossible to actually complete the planned restart of Doel 4 and Tihange 3 by the end of 2026. From then on, they would produce extra electricity for ten years and thus help to ensure our energy supply.
Get our existing plants in top notch shape asap – start building new ones asap.
Wipe all the money for renewables from the table and use it for nuclear.
Enough with these green braindead dogmas that are threatening our very existence as a 1st world country.
Their plan of action will be:
Do nothing until it is too late and invent a new tax to apply on the poorer people because “they use too much energy”.
Weren’t we supposed to have no problems without nuclear? And now we face a 10% shortage in two years, with nuclear?
Color me surprised /s
So you shut down 2 GW of nuclear generation and suddenly you’re 2 GW short, who would have guessed…
While I’ve always been a fervent supporter of nuclear energy, I recently watched [this](https://youtu.be/0kahih8RT1k) rather objective take on nuclear power. While it helps us out in the short run, it doesn’t really seem to make a lot of sense to build new plants following the current design. Personally, I’m hoping fusion and thorium plants will become viable solutions in the short term. Existing nuclear plants can help us out in the mean time, because God knows windmills and solar panels aren’t contributing anything substantial.
Dr Emmet Brown: 2 Gigawatts! 2 Gigawatts, Great Scott!
Marty McFly: What-what the hell is a gigawatt?
​
^((I know its 1.21 gigawatts in the movie))
Shocked.gif
Cool, this means literally that the law on nuclear exit is up for cancellation. It is literally specified in that law that it becomes void if capacity is not guaranteed.
Naturally Tinne will not do that sadly
What if it is necessary to reduce our energy consumption to save the planet instead of save the unsustainable actual rate? (call me a fool, but global warming and pollution seem to be quite scientifically proved.)
**Again** is missing from this headline as this news dates back to early December.
And what changed you ask? [“Elia’s new calculations assume that instead of two, four additional French nuclear power plants could unexpectedly fail.”](https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/milieu-energie/regering-wil-drie-oudste-kerncentrales-jaar-langer-open/10432580.html)
And how will we solve this? [“…a “fuel extension” for the three oldest reactors Doel 1 and 2 and Tihange 1. Those plants could save fuel by reducing their output in coming summers, in months when demand is low. It would allow them to continue operating into the winter of 2025-2026, the year after their scheduled shutdown date under the current nuclear shutdown law.”](https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/milieu-energie/regering-wil-drie-oudste-kerncentrales-jaar-langer-open/10432580.html)
Calls on NATGAS
Dumb and dumber in that picture
Remember, everyone!
>Having access to additional capacity of both offshore wind and Small Modular Reactors (SMRSs) reduces the *annual costs* of achieving net-zero to 11,7 billion euro by 2050, which is 9,6 billion euro less than under the Central Scenario.
This saving of 46 % compared to the annual costs under the Central Scenario is realized thanks to lower costs of energy import of electricity and clean molecules, a lower need for flexibility options such as smart charging and batteries, and a faster electrification of freight road transport.
[Source](https://perspective2050.energyville.be/paths2050)
This is guaranteed to be the end of the forced transition to EVs in cities.
Hope ELIA will put pressure on government to bring again subventions for installing solar panels and eliminate taxation on the house energy produced. Because this is outrageous, is like taxing the sun…
Again, the price doubled but they are paying peanuts to the private consumers.
​
https://www.lavenir.net/actu/societe/2023/01/06/2022-annee-record-en-belgique-pour-la-production-delectricite-issue-des-energies-renouvelables-infographies-A7DRZJKUHJDJ5IUUV5ZUPWT6FA/
Luckily there’s no shortage on onderzoekscommissies that will handle this issue. /s
Yes but the capaciteitstarief will fix it!
The face if TVS is one of pure evil
Vooral Groen de bevoegdheden over energie geven in de federale regering. We kunnen in 2024 justitie en migratie aan het Vlaams Belang geven en Pensioenen aan iemand van de PVDA? /s
Godzijdank hebben wij capabele regeringen, vol competente intellectuele hoogvliegers (zeker geen fils à papa’s), die dankzij hun heldere langetermijnvisie alle problemen voorzien en er een tijdige, nuttige, correcte oplossing voor hebben.
Ook fijn dat ze zich niet bezighouden met triviale randfenomenen die de aandacht zouden afleiden van de thema’s die er toe doen, zoals het energiebeleid, de begroting, justitie, de arbeidsmarkt, gezondheidszorg en onderwijs…
En wat nog fijner is, is dat ze de democratische visie van het volk vertegenwoordigen (want de partijen aan de macht, daar heeft het volk voor gekozen), en niet zomaar de eigen partijpolitiek door onze strot rammen.
Nog fijner is dat als er nieuwe wetteksten geschreven worden, dat deze helder en ondubbelzinnig zijn, zodat er rechtszekerheid is voor alle lagen van het land, en er geen nodeloze discussies met de administratie moeten gebeuren, en dat de Belgische staat niet gedagvaard moet worden omdat zij basisideeën zoals het gelijkheidsbeginsel schenden.
Fijn ook dat zij de bestaande wetgeving afdwingen in plaats van uitzonderingen en speciale gevallekes te in de wetgeving te voorzien, om de eigen inefficiëntie in te dekken en te voorkomen dat problemen structureel aangepakt worden.
Zo fier op onze regeringen. Ik kan al niet wachten tot de volgende verkiezingen om te zien welke topcombinatie er gevonden gaat worden om het land te regeren. Het zal vast en zeker op een paar uur geklonken zijn en zeker niet meer dan een jaar aanslepen.
/S
What a bunch of fucking amateurs and hypocrites. I am really tempted to launch my own party. Just to fuck them all deeply. There is no alternative. They all are incompetent.
I advocate compressing Tinne and her cabinet into pellets and burning them.
Sure the fumes will be toxic, but less toxic than what they have done until now.
/s
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