Seems we could do with fewer war mongers at the moment.
As an American, I’m just now really realizing that I… don’t understand what Charlie Hebdo is/does.
Edited to add- I know what it does, but this seems a little bit cruel to me and it’s making me question whether or not I truly *understand* both it and what exactly this cartoon means.
I don’t know what to call it. In its purest form, it’s monstrous.
This is simply disgusting, and the problem is, many people juge all the French based on this. As a French, I am ashamed.
My apologies to all the Turks and Syrian, it certainly doesn’t reflect how the average French sees this tragedy.
This is a new low. Piece of shit paper
The only thing that’s funny about this drawing is seeing all these people biting the ragebait when they could just ignore it and move on.
I think how most of you don’t get a point. For me this is not critique or satire directly against Turkey but whole world community.
While war in Ukraine make this kind of destruction by human hand in Turkey unfortunately nature did all damage by itself. (No need to send in tanks)
Russia, Ukraine, Europe, USA or whoever daily sends human and material resources to Ukrainian front responsible for making destruction (forget for second how Russia is only morally to be blamed) and after this natural catastrophe all of them send human and material resources to ease destruction done by nature.
I see it more like satire of our humankind.
Apart from the shock value, has anybody ever found it funny? Not this one in particular, but any Charlie hebdo caricature. They don’t offend me, but i find them really lame
I think it’s funny, but I guess quite a lot don’t understand black humour.
Surprised they didn’t say how Allah must be more pissed at the Turks than the Quran burning Swedes/Dane
I wouldn’t call it funny but it’s certainly thought provoking. And I guess the real irony comes when Erdogan sends tanks into Syria anyway.
Well…
I heard about them first (and last, till today) in 2015, after terrorist attack.
That time, ALL people in Polish media was “je suis charlie”-ish.
I’ve checked couple comics of them … and realized I’m nt “suis charlie” in any kind (but of course, bad sense of humor & lack of good manners should not be punished by death).
That time, I read comparisons of them to Polish “tygodnik nie” humor, but there is one difference- tygodnik nie is funny.
For me, it seems to to be more similar to jokes presented by Mr Wojewódzki (well known polish celebrity). He’d made couple “hilarious” ones. He was joking about raping Ukrainian housekeeper, another time he was making jokes about Smolensk air disaster (which is nothing wrong, so do I. The difference is, he started lik2 to days after the crah, before funerals etc). Especially the last one seems to be quite similar to what we can see above imo.
Satirical caricatures ‘at its finest’
– Hard to swallow
– After changing my point of view to a … let us say ‘alienlike pov’ overlooking the whole planet and it’s habitants and the weird things we do I can understand this Statement
– we do war and kill each other
– if nature ‘strikes’ we support us
– but we still continue to kill each other just around the bend (corners on a Ball are Hard to find)
I’m all for freedom of speech, but they are twisted fucks
absolutely disgusting.
Google Translate gives you: (They) don’t even need to send tanks.
So, more a bitter comment on the state of humanity. Which seems ok to me.
I’m sorry, as long as you have Erdogan, you’re not getting my support. Let Sweden and Finland into NATO first before expecting sympathy.
This is fucking disgusting. No sign of intelligent life, huh?
Too soon
Meh, it’s disgusting, but it’s Charlie Hebdo. Aren’t they famous for their insensitive humor?
I don’t find it offensive. It is not against the victims, neither against Turkey.
I think it is about a lot of countries are rushing to send military aid to Ukraine to contribute to a war, while since yesterday a lot of the same countries are sending humanitarian aid to Turkey.
Different purposes, still, no destruction this time, nature did the destruction and there’s no need for tanks to make it.
It is a satire about how humanity is surrounded by destruction and annihilation. I think.
PS: Remember that satire is not supposed to be necessarily funny, it is about shocking and make you think, even by provoking.
Wow. Disgusting.
Just a little lite banter, no harm.
I didn’t take it racist they did the same with earthquake in Italy and red army lost, this is just its usual unfunny style
There is such a thing as Turkophobia. There are people who rejoice when there is a natural disaster affecting civilians in Turkey.
I completely understand and OK with brands that are pissed off at Turkey half a world away. But they could’ve chosen a better punchline
Good rage bait, it is working as seen on other comments.
To every fuckin italian still outraged about the amatrice vignette:
Charlie did us a solid with that one, showing your massive hypocrisy when it comes to outrage: noone was outraged about the state of infrastructure, about riged contracts or anythig like that. Yet a signle drawings, that hurtn noboday in any considerable way, is outrageous and unacceptable. You hate it not because it’s insensitive but bacause it shows you how, if not preventable, at least mitigable the accident was. It shows that it is much more our fault than nature’s. We hate it because we hate taking responsibility and it forces us to do so.
Edit: about satire in general it is most important not by it self but as a mere symptom of freedom of thought and expression.
“Je suis Charlie”. Fuck you.
As an American, Charlie Hebdo strikes me as extremely far right “humor”.
This is the epitome of dark humour. Senseless and undeserved. Made me smile a bit even though I feel for the victims. I think many people outside France can’t understand this kind of humor, and even many french. It comes from a kind of terrible dark humor one would call “grinçant” in French, which means “screeching”. I think it deserves its name well. It’s kind of an old caricaturists tradition dating black from the Révolution.
Simply disguisting.
It doesn’t matter if it’s Turkey or France or other country
Frankly it’s quite disgusting.
They always make these drawings. When the 2016 central Italy earthquake happened they drew dead italians crushed under a huge lasagna resembling the fallen buildings, when people got angry they drew another one implying the italian mafia had built their homes; when the Rigopiano avalanche destroyed a hotel in Abruzzo they made fun of that as well.
The real question is what do you hope to achieve by propagating these.
what a lovely day for joke!
I’m always amazed at how foreigners amplify Charlie Hebdo’s reach. Look at the average engagement of their last 100 tweets and look at this one. For the past decade, CH (except after the terrorists attacks) has been a very local and often struggling publication.
They are a product of 1960s french libertarianism which we call soixantehuitard and not particularly funny. But their “humor” is “understood” (sometimes hardly) within our borders as the satire culture is taught in French classes and freedom of speech blablabla.
Social media does not filter anything or give any cultural subcontext so once the thing gets out, it goes VERY badly and Streisand Effect gets them more views that they usually get. Best thing to do is to not engage.
For the drawing, it is supposed to have two meaning, one at face value, the other which is supposed to be the real meaning :
– face value is “haha, look, Russia is spending a fuckton of money to devastate Ukraine while it can be done for free with earthquakes lol”. That’s the cheap joke.
– deeper meaning is supposed to reflect about the devastation of wars being equivalent of that of a huge natural phenomenon that would keep happening every week.
I know it’s far fetched and seems pretentious somehow but that’s a very French thing that does not really translate outside.
So one advice, stop retweeting them, their humor does not work outside of France.
i cant find anything to say…
Please don’t post garbage in this sub.
I am starting to get sick of French “jokes”. Constantly making offensive shit like this, with no actual humour, basically intentionally done to attract attention.
They did the prophet, Romanians, gypsies, immigrants, poles, Ukrainians, now this shit.
I am all for dark jokes, but when they are done with the sole purpose to insult, they are just that, insults.
Edit: saw in the comments Italians also got a very wretched “joke” about a disaster. I really wonder, what if we make such a joke next time something happens in France, what would their reaction be ?
most compassionate french
It’s an attack on Russia, or on wars in general, not on Turkey.
“Not even needing to send tanks” = Russia destroyed Ukraine in the same way an earthquake did.
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I don‘t get it.
Quite the antagonistic publication, isn’t it.
Seems we could do with fewer war mongers at the moment.
As an American, I’m just now really realizing that I… don’t understand what Charlie Hebdo is/does.
Edited to add- I know what it does, but this seems a little bit cruel to me and it’s making me question whether or not I truly *understand* both it and what exactly this cartoon means.
At least is less disgusting than [the cartoon they made](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/549/cpsprodpb/10113/production/_91011856_c5d12c37-fed7-4640-a150-b74b98162a62.jpg) after Amatrice earthquake.
This is disgusting.
What does this say? Did anybody get anything?
Charlie Hebdo often jokes about the misfortunes of others, it seems that catastrophes with victims inspire its satirical vein. What kind of person finds this kind of satire amusing? https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/mondo/europa/2020/11/20/archiviata-la-denuncia-di-amatrice-contro-charlie-hebdo_49409e99-956c-4784-b12a-2cb68ac537d3.html
I don’t know what to call it. In its purest form, it’s monstrous.
This is simply disgusting, and the problem is, many people juge all the French based on this. As a French, I am ashamed.
My apologies to all the Turks and Syrian, it certainly doesn’t reflect how the average French sees this tragedy.
This is a new low. Piece of shit paper
The only thing that’s funny about this drawing is seeing all these people biting the ragebait when they could just ignore it and move on.
I think how most of you don’t get a point. For me this is not critique or satire directly against Turkey but whole world community.
While war in Ukraine make this kind of destruction by human hand in Turkey unfortunately nature did all damage by itself. (No need to send in tanks)
Russia, Ukraine, Europe, USA or whoever daily sends human and material resources to Ukrainian front responsible for making destruction (forget for second how Russia is only morally to be blamed) and after this natural catastrophe all of them send human and material resources to ease destruction done by nature.
I see it more like satire of our humankind.
Apart from the shock value, has anybody ever found it funny? Not this one in particular, but any Charlie hebdo caricature. They don’t offend me, but i find them really lame
I think it’s funny, but I guess quite a lot don’t understand black humour.
Surprised they didn’t say how Allah must be more pissed at the Turks than the Quran burning Swedes/Dane
I wouldn’t call it funny but it’s certainly thought provoking. And I guess the real irony comes when Erdogan sends tanks into Syria anyway.
Well…
I heard about them first (and last, till today) in 2015, after terrorist attack.
That time, ALL people in Polish media was “je suis charlie”-ish.
I’ve checked couple comics of them … and realized I’m nt “suis charlie” in any kind (but of course, bad sense of humor & lack of good manners should not be punished by death).
That time, I read comparisons of them to Polish “tygodnik nie” humor, but there is one difference- tygodnik nie is funny.
For me, it seems to to be more similar to jokes presented by Mr Wojewódzki (well known polish celebrity). He’d made couple “hilarious” ones. He was joking about raping Ukrainian housekeeper, another time he was making jokes about Smolensk air disaster (which is nothing wrong, so do I. The difference is, he started lik2 to days after the crah, before funerals etc). Especially the last one seems to be quite similar to what we can see above imo.
Satirical caricatures ‘at its finest’
– Hard to swallow
– After changing my point of view to a … let us say ‘alienlike pov’ overlooking the whole planet and it’s habitants and the weird things we do I can understand this Statement
– we do war and kill each other
– if nature ‘strikes’ we support us
– but we still continue to kill each other just around the bend (corners on a Ball are Hard to find)
I’m all for freedom of speech, but they are twisted fucks
absolutely disgusting.
Google Translate gives you: (They) don’t even need to send tanks.
So, more a bitter comment on the state of humanity. Which seems ok to me.
I’m sorry, as long as you have Erdogan, you’re not getting my support. Let Sweden and Finland into NATO first before expecting sympathy.
This is fucking disgusting. No sign of intelligent life, huh?
Too soon
Meh, it’s disgusting, but it’s Charlie Hebdo. Aren’t they famous for their insensitive humor?
I don’t find it offensive. It is not against the victims, neither against Turkey.
I think it is about a lot of countries are rushing to send military aid to Ukraine to contribute to a war, while since yesterday a lot of the same countries are sending humanitarian aid to Turkey.
Different purposes, still, no destruction this time, nature did the destruction and there’s no need for tanks to make it.
It is a satire about how humanity is surrounded by destruction and annihilation. I think.
PS: Remember that satire is not supposed to be necessarily funny, it is about shocking and make you think, even by provoking.
Wow. Disgusting.
Just a little lite banter, no harm.
I didn’t take it racist they did the same with earthquake in Italy and red army lost, this is just its usual unfunny style
There is such a thing as Turkophobia. There are people who rejoice when there is a natural disaster affecting civilians in Turkey.
I completely understand and OK with brands that are pissed off at Turkey half a world away. But they could’ve chosen a better punchline
Good rage bait, it is working as seen on other comments.
To every fuckin italian still outraged about the amatrice vignette:
Charlie did us a solid with that one, showing your massive hypocrisy when it comes to outrage: noone was outraged about the state of infrastructure, about riged contracts or anythig like that. Yet a signle drawings, that hurtn noboday in any considerable way, is outrageous and unacceptable. You hate it not because it’s insensitive but bacause it shows you how, if not preventable, at least mitigable the accident was. It shows that it is much more our fault than nature’s. We hate it because we hate taking responsibility and it forces us to do so.
Edit: about satire in general it is most important not by it self but as a mere symptom of freedom of thought and expression.
“Je suis Charlie”. Fuck you.
As an American, Charlie Hebdo strikes me as extremely far right “humor”.
This is the epitome of dark humour. Senseless and undeserved. Made me smile a bit even though I feel for the victims. I think many people outside France can’t understand this kind of humor, and even many french. It comes from a kind of terrible dark humor one would call “grinçant” in French, which means “screeching”. I think it deserves its name well. It’s kind of an old caricaturists tradition dating black from the Révolution.
Simply disguisting.
It doesn’t matter if it’s Turkey or France or other country
Frankly it’s quite disgusting.
They always make these drawings. When the 2016 central Italy earthquake happened they drew dead italians crushed under a huge lasagna resembling the fallen buildings, when people got angry they drew another one implying the italian mafia had built their homes; when the Rigopiano avalanche destroyed a hotel in Abruzzo they made fun of that as well.
The real question is what do you hope to achieve by propagating these.
what a lovely day for joke!
I’m always amazed at how foreigners amplify Charlie Hebdo’s reach. Look at the average engagement of their last 100 tweets and look at this one. For the past decade, CH (except after the terrorists attacks) has been a very local and often struggling publication.
They are a product of 1960s french libertarianism which we call soixantehuitard and not particularly funny. But their “humor” is “understood” (sometimes hardly) within our borders as the satire culture is taught in French classes and freedom of speech blablabla.
Social media does not filter anything or give any cultural subcontext so once the thing gets out, it goes VERY badly and Streisand Effect gets them more views that they usually get. Best thing to do is to not engage.
For the drawing, it is supposed to have two meaning, one at face value, the other which is supposed to be the real meaning :
– face value is “haha, look, Russia is spending a fuckton of money to devastate Ukraine while it can be done for free with earthquakes lol”. That’s the cheap joke.
– deeper meaning is supposed to reflect about the devastation of wars being equivalent of that of a huge natural phenomenon that would keep happening every week.
I know it’s far fetched and seems pretentious somehow but that’s a very French thing that does not really translate outside.
So one advice, stop retweeting them, their humor does not work outside of France.
i cant find anything to say…
Please don’t post garbage in this sub.
I am starting to get sick of French “jokes”. Constantly making offensive shit like this, with no actual humour, basically intentionally done to attract attention.
They did the prophet, Romanians, gypsies, immigrants, poles, Ukrainians, now this shit.
I am all for dark jokes, but when they are done with the sole purpose to insult, they are just that, insults.
Edit: saw in the comments Italians also got a very wretched “joke” about a disaster. I really wonder, what if we make such a joke next time something happens in France, what would their reaction be ?
most compassionate french
It’s an attack on Russia, or on wars in general, not on Turkey.
“Not even needing to send tanks” = Russia destroyed Ukraine in the same way an earthquake did.
A bit sick…