So there was no evidence that he was doing any kind of online challenge, and the coroner has decided that it must be a prank or experiment?
States there was a voice note from someone which said
“You and your mum are the ones sat there all night using.” What exactly does that mean? Tired from work, I don’t understand.
> He said he had considered a conclusion of suicide, but ruled this out.
This coroner has more information than any of you and more on the line, professionally speaking, than any of you do yet for some reason online weirdo’s feel the need to speak on this with absolute authority.
There’s entire message boards devoted to talking about his mother it’s utterly insane.
I still think it was suicide. He had tried before but they are ignoring that, it seems.
Cleverly, and kindly, worded by the coroner there. Has legally made clear there was no evidence of a prank, cannot conclusively say it was suicide, so given it makes no difference to reality, lets just go with the one which gives more peace to the family.
In reality, no one will ever know what the definite cause was, so it’s good this can finally be put to bed.
>The coroner said there was no evidence he was doing an online challenge at the time, as his mother first believed.
>No images or videos of Archie taking part in online challenges were found, a detective told the inquest.
>Mr Brookes said Archie “hadn’t intended to harm himself but had done so inadvertently during a prank or experiment that went wrong”.
So it wasn’t a prank and there was no evidence on his phone that he took part in any pranks but we’re going to rule it as a prank anyway.
It would be best for all concerned if the family went back to a degree of anonymity – at least within the wider community and the country as a whole. Establish a charity in Archies’ name to help children from vulnerable and chaotic backgrounds.
Of course it was suicide, you just have to see the mums actions after the event to see what this child’s life must have been like.
She literally kept his corpse warm to rake in a few quid for herself.
Nobody knows. Nobody will ever know. I hope this judgement brings peace to the family and people who loved him
Nobody putting 2+2 together here?
Cannot say conclusively it was suicide.
Maybe a prank or “experiment”
What experiment could look like suicide?
Ain’t the first time it’s happened and certainly won’t be the last.
didn’t she sell a crap ton of shirts outside some hospital?
Story fishy asf from the beginning.
Anyone who prolongs the public expenses contrary to medical opinion is covering up their own guilt. Shit happens, move on.
100% a suicide, but what does it even matter now?
Won’t bring him back, won’t make her less of a ghoul for keeping that poor child rotting from the inside out…
I will never criticise another parent for fighting with all they have to save their child. But I will strongly condemn the right-wing zealots at the Christian Legal Centre (Christian Concern) for exploiting the parent’s grief to prop up their twisted propaganda campaign.
Doesn’t matter how he died, her campaign against the hospital was wrong. In the article the consultant at Southend hospital concluded that the boy was brain dead on arrival. Yet he spent four months at a different hospital with her campaigning outside that they were trying to kill him? I hope this woman goes away and grieves in private.
As someone who tried to commit suicide aged 11, no one would have known or suspected a thing in my case. It isn’t always visible from the outside and pretty simplistic to think that it always would be. Outwardly non suicidal people commit suicide.
But Rest In Peace Archie the Worlds spinning angry, be at Peace young lad 💔
Aye it is just a tragic tragic case parents can’t be everywhere and as humans cannot know the innermost workings of anyone’s mind even if u created said human. Gives mum some peace can’t imagine her heart break losing her wee lad
I really can’t say the evidence the coroner uses to ‘rule out’ suicide is at all convincing, as someone who was suicidally depressed when young and had their own attempts.
It very often is a spur-of-the-moment decision. When I was young, I both experienced periods of low-mood and periods where I seemed outwardly fine. My most deadly attempt occurred during the latter, due to being yelled at by an adult. The pendulum swung, I dropped like a bullet to the other end, and the rest is history. No-one saw it coming, not even I did to be honest, although if the previous depressive pattern of the last year had been noticed I could have received an intervention.
Similarly, suicide attempts are often performed in ways the victim knows best. Him being active and a climber does not rule out suicide- especially when they were accordingly shockingly dangerous, which is in fact a trait expressed by some who are suicidal.
There’s then the attacks he had had received the day before.
I’m not trying to argue it was suicide. But it’s worth stressing that as a Coroner, he has no psychiatric training, only legal qualifications and usually a medical background. I know this is against what everyone else is saying, but I am uncomfortable with such a stringent assertion as totally *ruling out* a suicide when the kid was so distressed. Not that I think it is worth ruling either way- but I hate to go against the trend, but deciding either way, I feel, is irresponsible. We simply no honest way of understanding what was going in that kid’s head.
I am happy at leas that the lies about a ‘TikTok Trend’ have been put to bed and the discussion about neglect can be opened.
Suspect that’s the most sensitive but clearest roundabout way to describe autoerotic asphyxiation he could come up with. Seemed like that all along, especially with the circumstances always being unreported
Can someone shed some light on what the prank was exactly?
Do find the certainty of the ruling (re: suicide) slightly strange given the police had already disclosed to the coroner his messages reflected a ‘very low mood’ at the hearing. Feel a ligature (as a common way of ending ones life) also is evidence in and of itself.
I suspect it’s much more to do with the burden of proof required for a ruling but don’t know enough about the process. Agree with certain posters that I think these rulings are particularly considered given the delicate subject matter (and particularly in this instance the publicity of the case).
Does seem slightly contradictory to say there was no evidence of a tiktok challenge etc but to rule misadventure/prank (presumably also in the absence of evidence as yet to see any).
I’m open minded personally and agree with above that no one will ever know – but in the balance of evidence available I think it’s clear what I think most likely. I do slightly worry that if MH was possibly responsible we are doing a disservice to other struggling children.
That title is quite something.
The inquest hasn’t concluded that, and even the comments made don’t say that. They just say it “maybe” a thing
Dunno about you guys but I just wish his mum would piss off and grieve in peace after harassing the hospital staff and letting her childs brain decompose while machinery forced his body to keep going.
Nobody likes to think it’s suicide, but I haven’t known any pranks or experiments that say to hang yourself.
Over the last few months his mother has shared numerous videos and told anecdotes about him literally leaping around the house and in public like a monkey. He seemed to be constantly behaving like this and there was no indication that she felt any of it was dangerous then, or now. In the videos she can often be heard laughing at him. I’m not in the slightest bit surprised the coroner came to the conclusion they did.
I don’t understand why people are arguing the fact. If the coroner wasn’t sure, couldn’t they have ruled it inconclusive?
I didn’t mean to actually commit suicide, it was just a prank bro
doubt any hanging yourself online challenge existed or else i would have heard of more cases of this in a similar time period to when archie may or may not have intentionally hung himself.
im personally leaning more on the side of suicide obvious personal bias but at the same time the world seems just different now people have almost realised at any age how much of a shit show this really is even the primary kids when lizz was visiting for some propaganda stunt realised boris had overstayed his welcome and i doubt kids know much of anything in terms of news and politics (factor to keep in mind parents political influence/influence in general).
people overlook suicide due to the stigma,i’ve regularly dealt with pretty severe suicidal ideations and actions since i was 15/16 till now , does anyone irl know? nope not a idea and if i was to do it and when i do it , it’s exactly the same for me aw we never knew he felt like that or it’s not a suicide was a accident because he never showed any signs,well that’s called being depressed.
You close in on yourself so no one does know, it’s your battle in your head no one else’s so unless you say then suicide would be the last thing they could think of unless some type of cause and affects was involved like maybe a bad grade or some form of non verbal signs .
i wouldnt say its extremely rare young teenagers end their life’s i got brought up in some pretty bad conditions such as Hartlepool , peterlee after i moved up north when i was young , i had family issues not the same as archie but still horrendously deplorable but the reason i was never suicidal then meaning before 15 was probably because the content wasn’t there to make me think of anything regarding my life and ending it .
tiktok and content these days yer if i was brought up in this media environment then i would be exposed to alot more content which then allows for my brain to then understand and acknowledge that suicide is a thing and a possible solution so i would probably be fucked from a extremely young age (archies neglect taken into account for possible reason why he could of been exposed to such media content).
This isnt me saying this is what happened to archie but its a possible idea to keep in mind and it’s my opinion and im not a conspiracy theorist or even looked much into the archie case where i could possibly end up going down a rabbit hole with a particular idea thought pattern to sway my opinion , its mostly neutral but obviously still personally biased.
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So there was no evidence that he was doing any kind of online challenge, and the coroner has decided that it must be a prank or experiment?
States there was a voice note from someone which said
“You and your mum are the ones sat there all night using.” What exactly does that mean? Tired from work, I don’t understand.
> He said he had considered a conclusion of suicide, but ruled this out.
This coroner has more information than any of you and more on the line, professionally speaking, than any of you do yet for some reason online weirdo’s feel the need to speak on this with absolute authority.
There’s entire message boards devoted to talking about his mother it’s utterly insane.
I still think it was suicide. He had tried before but they are ignoring that, it seems.
Cleverly, and kindly, worded by the coroner there. Has legally made clear there was no evidence of a prank, cannot conclusively say it was suicide, so given it makes no difference to reality, lets just go with the one which gives more peace to the family.
In reality, no one will ever know what the definite cause was, so it’s good this can finally be put to bed.
>The coroner said there was no evidence he was doing an online challenge at the time, as his mother first believed.
>No images or videos of Archie taking part in online challenges were found, a detective told the inquest.
>Mr Brookes said Archie “hadn’t intended to harm himself but had done so inadvertently during a prank or experiment that went wrong”.
So it wasn’t a prank and there was no evidence on his phone that he took part in any pranks but we’re going to rule it as a prank anyway.
It would be best for all concerned if the family went back to a degree of anonymity – at least within the wider community and the country as a whole. Establish a charity in Archies’ name to help children from vulnerable and chaotic backgrounds.
Of course it was suicide, you just have to see the mums actions after the event to see what this child’s life must have been like.
She literally kept his corpse warm to rake in a few quid for herself.
Nobody knows. Nobody will ever know. I hope this judgement brings peace to the family and people who loved him
Nobody putting 2+2 together here?
Cannot say conclusively it was suicide.
Maybe a prank or “experiment”
What experiment could look like suicide?
Ain’t the first time it’s happened and certainly won’t be the last.
didn’t she sell a crap ton of shirts outside some hospital?
Story fishy asf from the beginning.
Anyone who prolongs the public expenses contrary to medical opinion is covering up their own guilt. Shit happens, move on.
100% a suicide, but what does it even matter now?
Won’t bring him back, won’t make her less of a ghoul for keeping that poor child rotting from the inside out…
I will never criticise another parent for fighting with all they have to save their child. But I will strongly condemn the right-wing zealots at the Christian Legal Centre (Christian Concern) for exploiting the parent’s grief to prop up their twisted propaganda campaign.
Doesn’t matter how he died, her campaign against the hospital was wrong. In the article the consultant at Southend hospital concluded that the boy was brain dead on arrival. Yet he spent four months at a different hospital with her campaigning outside that they were trying to kill him? I hope this woman goes away and grieves in private.
As someone who tried to commit suicide aged 11, no one would have known or suspected a thing in my case. It isn’t always visible from the outside and pretty simplistic to think that it always would be. Outwardly non suicidal people commit suicide.
But Rest In Peace Archie the Worlds spinning angry, be at Peace young lad 💔
Aye it is just a tragic tragic case parents can’t be everywhere and as humans cannot know the innermost workings of anyone’s mind even if u created said human. Gives mum some peace can’t imagine her heart break losing her wee lad
I really can’t say the evidence the coroner uses to ‘rule out’ suicide is at all convincing, as someone who was suicidally depressed when young and had their own attempts.
It very often is a spur-of-the-moment decision. When I was young, I both experienced periods of low-mood and periods where I seemed outwardly fine. My most deadly attempt occurred during the latter, due to being yelled at by an adult. The pendulum swung, I dropped like a bullet to the other end, and the rest is history. No-one saw it coming, not even I did to be honest, although if the previous depressive pattern of the last year had been noticed I could have received an intervention.
Similarly, suicide attempts are often performed in ways the victim knows best. Him being active and a climber does not rule out suicide- especially when they were accordingly shockingly dangerous, which is in fact a trait expressed by some who are suicidal.
There’s then the attacks he had had received the day before.
I’m not trying to argue it was suicide. But it’s worth stressing that as a Coroner, he has no psychiatric training, only legal qualifications and usually a medical background. I know this is against what everyone else is saying, but I am uncomfortable with such a stringent assertion as totally *ruling out* a suicide when the kid was so distressed. Not that I think it is worth ruling either way- but I hate to go against the trend, but deciding either way, I feel, is irresponsible. We simply no honest way of understanding what was going in that kid’s head.
I am happy at leas that the lies about a ‘TikTok Trend’ have been put to bed and the discussion about neglect can be opened.
Suspect that’s the most sensitive but clearest roundabout way to describe autoerotic asphyxiation he could come up with. Seemed like that all along, especially with the circumstances always being unreported
Can someone shed some light on what the prank was exactly?
Do find the certainty of the ruling (re: suicide) slightly strange given the police had already disclosed to the coroner his messages reflected a ‘very low mood’ at the hearing. Feel a ligature (as a common way of ending ones life) also is evidence in and of itself.
I suspect it’s much more to do with the burden of proof required for a ruling but don’t know enough about the process. Agree with certain posters that I think these rulings are particularly considered given the delicate subject matter (and particularly in this instance the publicity of the case).
Does seem slightly contradictory to say there was no evidence of a tiktok challenge etc but to rule misadventure/prank (presumably also in the absence of evidence as yet to see any).
I’m open minded personally and agree with above that no one will ever know – but in the balance of evidence available I think it’s clear what I think most likely. I do slightly worry that if MH was possibly responsible we are doing a disservice to other struggling children.
That title is quite something.
The inquest hasn’t concluded that, and even the comments made don’t say that. They just say it “maybe” a thing
Dunno about you guys but I just wish his mum would piss off and grieve in peace after harassing the hospital staff and letting her childs brain decompose while machinery forced his body to keep going.
Nobody likes to think it’s suicide, but I haven’t known any pranks or experiments that say to hang yourself.
Over the last few months his mother has shared numerous videos and told anecdotes about him literally leaping around the house and in public like a monkey. He seemed to be constantly behaving like this and there was no indication that she felt any of it was dangerous then, or now. In the videos she can often be heard laughing at him. I’m not in the slightest bit surprised the coroner came to the conclusion they did.
I don’t understand why people are arguing the fact. If the coroner wasn’t sure, couldn’t they have ruled it inconclusive?
I didn’t mean to actually commit suicide, it was just a prank bro
doubt any hanging yourself online challenge existed or else i would have heard of more cases of this in a similar time period to when archie may or may not have intentionally hung himself.
im personally leaning more on the side of suicide obvious personal bias but at the same time the world seems just different now people have almost realised at any age how much of a shit show this really is even the primary kids when lizz was visiting for some propaganda stunt realised boris had overstayed his welcome and i doubt kids know much of anything in terms of news and politics (factor to keep in mind parents political influence/influence in general).
people overlook suicide due to the stigma,i’ve regularly dealt with pretty severe suicidal ideations and actions since i was 15/16 till now , does anyone irl know? nope not a idea and if i was to do it and when i do it , it’s exactly the same for me aw we never knew he felt like that or it’s not a suicide was a accident because he never showed any signs,well that’s called being depressed.
You close in on yourself so no one does know, it’s your battle in your head no one else’s so unless you say then suicide would be the last thing they could think of unless some type of cause and affects was involved like maybe a bad grade or some form of non verbal signs .
i wouldnt say its extremely rare young teenagers end their life’s i got brought up in some pretty bad conditions such as Hartlepool , peterlee after i moved up north when i was young , i had family issues not the same as archie but still horrendously deplorable but the reason i was never suicidal then meaning before 15 was probably because the content wasn’t there to make me think of anything regarding my life and ending it .
tiktok and content these days yer if i was brought up in this media environment then i would be exposed to alot more content which then allows for my brain to then understand and acknowledge that suicide is a thing and a possible solution so i would probably be fucked from a extremely young age (archies neglect taken into account for possible reason why he could of been exposed to such media content).
This isnt me saying this is what happened to archie but its a possible idea to keep in mind and it’s my opinion and im not a conspiracy theorist or even looked much into the archie case where i could possibly end up going down a rabbit hole with a particular idea thought pattern to sway my opinion , its mostly neutral but obviously still personally biased.