Meanwhile, at least 80% of the cars I see plugged in on the parking lot close to my work are those huge hybrids that get horrible mileage on the electrical part.
PHEVs only make sense if you have a private parking spot with your own charger and you regularly need to do 400km+ long trips.
Anything besides this, they will always consume/pollute more than ICE cars.
No shit
At least now there is a study proving what was already obvious.
What? Carrying two different motor types in one vehicule is not efficient?
I have a hybrid company car, and it literally eats gas to produce electricity. It loses velocity super fast. Instead of just rolling downhill, it’s actively slowing down to convert that energy into battery charge.. So it artifically makes you lose speed, means you simply consume gas to produce electricity..
Yeah. Right.
And politicians always tell the truth and keep their promises.
Honestly doesn’t “sell”.
Shareholders want profit and don’t care how profit is made. Nothing else matters.
It all depends on how you use it.
I have a plug in hybrid, and probably 90% or more of the time I can drive fully electric.
But indeed, it doesn’t make sense if you never charge it, or only do really long trips.
The biggest problem is that people often are too lazy to charge their plug-in. The only time I see people charging their plug-in hybrid, is when the charging station is better placed than the normal parking spots…
Car usage will never be environmentally friendly, so it´s expected.
I own a plug-in hybrid stated in the article. I can confirm that the gas usage is indeed more than advertised. I think its advertised aas 1.7L/100km. While i try to drive as much full electric as possible. I drive around 75% full electric. This is because its around 30km to my work and back and i charge it every evening. For this i get an average consumption of 3L/100km, which is almost double advertised, but less than half of my previous company car.
So indeed depends on how you use it. If you carge it close to never, its just a diesel/gas car which weighs more.
There are just a handful of plug in hybrids with a decent >40km electric range
I drive a PHEV and I drive electric 99% of the time. I do have a charging station at home and charge my car everyday.
Articles like this are missing the point since they don’t focus on the main issue: the fact that most people are not using their PHEV the way it’s meant to be used. A PHEV should be charged as much as possible.
The average Belgian spends 43 km in traffic to get to his work and to get home from his work(source: SD Worx, 2019). Most PHEVs cover this distance with their electric range.
Pikachu face
They aren’t meant to be. Their main purpose is to bridge the gap between a full ICE car park and a full EV car park. We don’t have the structure yet to replace all combustion cars by electric vehicles. But the only way for loading capacity to build up is if there’s demand for it. Plug-ins make sure there is demand, but allow for the flexibility in case that demand isn’t met yet.
Neuh, echt ofwa? Bizar.
The conclusion here is that you have to charge them regularly for them to do what they’re supposed to. No huge surprise there.
You know what’s funny? Charging electic cars with a gigantic coal or gás powered stations. The Co2 issue should envolve the larger scale of transport veicules aswell.
Yeah no shit. Hybrids and electric cars aren’t gonna save the environment, they’re gonna save the car industry. The only thing that’s a net positive for the environment is less cars.
I read a lot of numbers here, and wanted to add some real life figures with a 2 years experience (Golf GTE)
Charging the PHEV while driving makes the consumption around 8,5L/100km
Keeping charge the same for a longer trip gives 6,5L/100km (about as the same as the regular 1.4TSI engine)
If you use the Hybrid in a fair way, it will be 4,2L/100km
So yes, we carry some extra weight, but also have regeneration. I found out that they extra weight kinda balances out the regeneration.
It’s a fun car to drive, and yet not as environmentally bad as a 2.0 or older car. But as always, take a grain of salt in those ideally tested numbers.
The underlying issue is the standerdised test on a dynamometer. As the article says, they assume 80% use of full electric, that’s just not realistic unless there is far more charging infrastructure.
To add to the problem of dynamometer testing vs real world testing: this way they don’t take into account the air resistance and weight of the vehicle. 2 things the popular SUV’s score badly on.
What a stupid study…
Every car consumes more in real life versus WLTP… The point is to have a standardized measuring method acros all vehicles/brands. By doing so you can compare and also see how vehicles improve over time.
That being said. They should make the test as realistic as possible in my opinion.
It really depends on how you use it, I have a performance oriented PHEV, about 80% of the time im driving electric, but it’s just to much fun to step on the gas and get the engine to work together with the motor to deliver it’s 455hp to the wheels. If I wouldn’t charge mine I’d be consuming around 8l/100km and would only be able to use 330hp, so imo there’s no benefit in not charging your PHEV.
That said I have noticed that the price of charging at those elego chargers is getting awfully close to the price of driving on 95 petrol
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Another scandal like diesel gate?
Wauw, surprise surprise..
Meanwhile, at least 80% of the cars I see plugged in on the parking lot close to my work are those huge hybrids that get horrible mileage on the electrical part.
PHEVs only make sense if you have a private parking spot with your own charger and you regularly need to do 400km+ long trips.
Anything besides this, they will always consume/pollute more than ICE cars.
No shit
At least now there is a study proving what was already obvious.
What? Carrying two different motor types in one vehicule is not efficient?
I have a hybrid company car, and it literally eats gas to produce electricity. It loses velocity super fast. Instead of just rolling downhill, it’s actively slowing down to convert that energy into battery charge.. So it artifically makes you lose speed, means you simply consume gas to produce electricity..
Yeah. Right.
And politicians always tell the truth and keep their promises.
Honestly doesn’t “sell”.
Shareholders want profit and don’t care how profit is made. Nothing else matters.
It all depends on how you use it.
I have a plug in hybrid, and probably 90% or more of the time I can drive fully electric.
But indeed, it doesn’t make sense if you never charge it, or only do really long trips.
The biggest problem is that people often are too lazy to charge their plug-in. The only time I see people charging their plug-in hybrid, is when the charging station is better placed than the normal parking spots…
Car usage will never be environmentally friendly, so it´s expected.
I own a plug-in hybrid stated in the article. I can confirm that the gas usage is indeed more than advertised. I think its advertised aas 1.7L/100km. While i try to drive as much full electric as possible. I drive around 75% full electric. This is because its around 30km to my work and back and i charge it every evening. For this i get an average consumption of 3L/100km, which is almost double advertised, but less than half of my previous company car.
So indeed depends on how you use it. If you carge it close to never, its just a diesel/gas car which weighs more.
There are just a handful of plug in hybrids with a decent >40km electric range
I drive a PHEV and I drive electric 99% of the time. I do have a charging station at home and charge my car everyday.
Articles like this are missing the point since they don’t focus on the main issue: the fact that most people are not using their PHEV the way it’s meant to be used. A PHEV should be charged as much as possible.
The average Belgian spends 43 km in traffic to get to his work and to get home from his work(source: SD Worx, 2019). Most PHEVs cover this distance with their electric range.
Pikachu face
They aren’t meant to be. Their main purpose is to bridge the gap between a full ICE car park and a full EV car park. We don’t have the structure yet to replace all combustion cars by electric vehicles. But the only way for loading capacity to build up is if there’s demand for it. Plug-ins make sure there is demand, but allow for the flexibility in case that demand isn’t met yet.
Neuh, echt ofwa? Bizar.
The conclusion here is that you have to charge them regularly for them to do what they’re supposed to. No huge surprise there.
You know what’s funny? Charging electic cars with a gigantic coal or gás powered stations. The Co2 issue should envolve the larger scale of transport veicules aswell.
Yeah no shit. Hybrids and electric cars aren’t gonna save the environment, they’re gonna save the car industry. The only thing that’s a net positive for the environment is less cars.
I read a lot of numbers here, and wanted to add some real life figures with a 2 years experience (Golf GTE)
Charging the PHEV while driving makes the consumption around 8,5L/100km
Keeping charge the same for a longer trip gives 6,5L/100km (about as the same as the regular 1.4TSI engine)
If you use the Hybrid in a fair way, it will be 4,2L/100km
So yes, we carry some extra weight, but also have regeneration. I found out that they extra weight kinda balances out the regeneration.
It’s a fun car to drive, and yet not as environmentally bad as a 2.0 or older car. But as always, take a grain of salt in those ideally tested numbers.
The underlying issue is the standerdised test on a dynamometer. As the article says, they assume 80% use of full electric, that’s just not realistic unless there is far more charging infrastructure.
To add to the problem of dynamometer testing vs real world testing: this way they don’t take into account the air resistance and weight of the vehicle. 2 things the popular SUV’s score badly on.
What a stupid study…
Every car consumes more in real life versus WLTP… The point is to have a standardized measuring method acros all vehicles/brands. By doing so you can compare and also see how vehicles improve over time.
That being said. They should make the test as realistic as possible in my opinion.
It really depends on how you use it, I have a performance oriented PHEV, about 80% of the time im driving electric, but it’s just to much fun to step on the gas and get the engine to work together with the motor to deliver it’s 455hp to the wheels. If I wouldn’t charge mine I’d be consuming around 8l/100km and would only be able to use 330hp, so imo there’s no benefit in not charging your PHEV.
That said I have noticed that the price of charging at those elego chargers is getting awfully close to the price of driving on 95 petrol